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Give kashmir or take kashmir. Make up your mind as enemy is getting bold

Wish there were no Nuclear Weapons in this world. I wonder how easy people talk about nuclear wars ! Dont they have a family? Cant they visualize of millions of people who were killed in Japan? Disgusting...
 
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Option 3: Convert the LoC/AGPL into a permanent and recognized international border.

No. Not acceptable to me:
1. India needs direct access to central asia and it is her legal and moral right. Big powers attack and colonize random countries thousands of miles away for their strategic interests. Why should India give away its own territory acceded by King of the princely state of J&K?
2. coming cold war between China and India. If you want to overtly chose and assist China militarily against India, be ready to face the consequences too. Can't accept China having naval base with nuclear submarines right nextdoor. If that needs destroying Pakistan, India should be ready for that.

Of course that is personal opinion. At government level our policies tend to be much softer. I hope that changes and India behaves like a big power should behave.

Remember, India may be behind china and poor right now, but still India's PPP GDP is third largest in world and in just 5 years, even nominal GDP will be 5th largest in world.
 
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Basically the tall claims of 56'' bravado is nothing more than a curry hole.
Since all the banter of ''Achey Din'' and ''Make in India'' is gradually diminishing, in such situation people make desperate statements to woo the home audience, a fact now acknowledged by other Indians them self.

Modi camouflaging his failures by 'nautanki': Digvijay Singh
 
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but now they have got a leader who is sadist and a world known criminal for killing thousands of muslims.
Modi has nothing to do with Muslim killing even Court of India has given him clean chit...He is cleared from all cases. Even many Muslims voted for BJP.. You must see the results of UP, Jharkand, tripura, maharashtra and Assam.
War is not a solution. It only brings destruction.
Just keep calm and quite, and only reply them hard from political statements .
We should not allow anyone to use our land against any country. ..We should Arrest chief of banned organisation "HafiZ Saeed" and others including lal masjid Mullah. ....We already have inner threats and mentality which we must defeat.
 
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Basically the tall claims of 56'' bravado is nothing more than a curry hole.
Since all the banter of ''Achey Din'' and ''Make in India'' is gradually diminishing, in such situation people make desperate statements to woo the home audience, a fact now acknowledged by other Indians them self.

Modi camouflaging his failures by 'nautanki': Digvijay Singh

I totally agrees it's a desperate statement reflecting Modi"s failures at home its not easy to control a junk like "Secular India " , the fact that he admitted so proudly Indian involvement in East Pakistan shows how Indian establishment is trying to act tough on the face of Pakistan's defensive policy on the pretext of internal conflict but we now need to make our voice heard .
 
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No. Not acceptable to me:
1. India needs direct access to central asia and it is her legal and moral right. Big powers attack and colonize random countries thousands of miles away for their strategic interests. Why should India give away its own territory acceded by King of the princely state of J&K?
2. coming cold war between China and India. If you want to overtly chose and assist China militarily against India, be ready to face the consequences too. Can't accept China having naval base with nuclear submarines right nextdoor. If that needs destroying Pakistan, India should be ready for that.

Of course that is personal opinion. At government level our policies tend to be much softer. I hope that changes and India behaves like a big power should behave.

Remember, India may be behind china and poor right now, but still India's PPP GDP is third largest in world and in just 5 years, even nominal GDP will be 5th largest in world.

No. Not acceptable to me:
1. India needs direct access to central asia and it is her legal and moral right. Big powers attack and colonize random countries thousands of miles away for their strategic interests. Why should India give away its own territory acceded by King of the princely state of J&K?
2. coming cold war between China and India. If you want to overtly chose and assist China militarily against India, be ready to face the consequences too. Can't accept China having naval base with nuclear submarines right nextdoor. If that needs destroying Pakistan, India should be ready for that.

Of course that is personal opinion. At government level our policies tend to be much softer. I hope that changes and India behaves like a big power should behave.

Remember, India may be behind china and poor right now, but still India's PPP GDP is third largest in world and in just 5 years, even nominal GDP will be 5th largest in world.



ok time to burst some bubbles formed by a delusional indian fanboy

- on your first point . if india could have done some thing like that, they would have done it by now. firsty in 1971 we didnt have nukes and india had an over whelming conventional superiority over us. and yet they stay put . if india couldnt do it then they wont be able to do it now. why ? because in 1971 you had atleast one super power in the soviet union to support you guys and none of our allies (read china, iran) other than usa could take on the soviets . Now though it is a very different ball game and will remain so in the forseable future. the chinese are more then strong enough to handle usa both diplomatically and militarily and india as well . in the present and future the chinese will not let pakistan fall to indian hand nor will they allow us to disintigrate as they know that we are one of their key allies in south asia. and tbh no one will want to annoy china now nor will they want to annoy them in the future. Sure india is growing. but the big boys need to china more than they need india and that will remain and china will now let their most important ally in south asia to be hurt . Which means india cant and will not do anything.

- you seceond point Pakistan is not srilanka, if your govt had the ability they would have done something when we were getting nuke tech . in the future with china leading india in such a cold war. i assure you china once again will not let their important ally to fall. that too for their own interest. and with china's influence increasing in the world , our position will only get better in such a conflict.

regarding development. yes india is growing and developing. but i assure you. china is in a whole different level compared to india . if the chinese stop their development today. it would take you guys decades to catch up ( might be an exgaretion but hopee you get the idea.)


all in all in the future not much will change in the future than current senario. what may happen is LOC will be turned into IB and thats that.

and pakistan as a terrorist nest is actually bad for india and so is a broken pakistan.


and i assurse you if the chinese really need the base in srilanka they will get it. no amount of indian whining will stop it.
 
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It is not the first time that Modi has shown his utter hatred for Pakistan. Following is a brief summary of his actions after taking over as Pm.

1)Indian firing across Loc on end day killing dozens . 6 Oct 14
2) Then again in January IA fired across Loc using a large number of mortar shells
3)Despite positive statements of Pm nawaz cancelled secretary level dialogue to resume peace process.
4)He and his cabinet members never let go off any chance to malign Pakistan and goes the extra mile to unite fact and fiction.
5)Numerous proofs came to surface of Raw involvement in spreading terror in Pakistan ranging from discovery of indian currency and weapons, photos of militants like brahamdag bugti with their raw handler. mulla fazullah TTP chief being kept in a safe heaven by raw in Afghanistan.
6)Recent indian heart burn on a intel share deal between NDS and ISI (it was a deal between two sovereign states and indian reaction proved they don't want Afghanistan to adopt a balanced foreign policy and prefer people like Karzai who say yes to every indian demand)
7) Modi opposed CPEC during a meeting with Chinese president again intervening between affairs of two sovereign states though he was silenced by Chinese president saying china is only doing development.
8) And to top it up he now admitted in Dhaka the active role IA played in dividing Pakistan.

Everybody mean all intelligence agencies round the globe knows what India did in 1971 how the seeds of hatred were sown by them once they got a chance due to ZAB greed for power. IA commandos were used to kill civilians wearing PA uniforms and rest is all history.

My point here is Indian hatred for Pakistan is not new but now they have got a leader who is sadist and a world known criminal for killing thousands of innocent Muslims and is shameless beyond words lacking all human qualities and better be considered a beast disguised as a human. He will unify Indian hate for Pakistan and will try to isolate Pakistan to a point where he thinks we will withdraw our Iok claim and would be able to use Pakistan to access Iran, Afghanistan and central Asia. He believes in use of force and is very open in accepting so and I guess we should be ready for things heating up instantly after some major massacre of indian troops in Kashmir or some bomb blast's in cities both of which will be false flag ops most probably.

Now coming to Pakistan as a state we have contained militancy to a good extent as compared to 2008-09 but roots of the problem still exist which is worrying and needs to be dealt with asap only then we can focus On our real issue of India.

After having met and worked with indians of all castes and religions from north and south(in one of the worlds best multinational company where most of the people are highly educated and groomed)
I have concluded they have not yet accepted the reality of a separate muslim state and they all know deep with in that Kashmir being a muslim majority state was Never theirs as per two nation theory .

Now a painful reality check india owing to its bigger economy and religion(which align itself naturally with anti islam sentiments) has a successful diplomatic strategy and a more advanced army (I am not saying better) on the other hand Pakistan has no one to support her in the event of a war except Turkey(that too under tayab only) and china but that too will be limited if Pakistan is labeled as the aggressor .

Keeping in mind indian hatred and desire to make loc the border I have following two solutions and would like your input.

1) Make LOC international border withdrawing rights over IOK and make Azad Kashmir our 5th province and gilgit baltistan 6th.Give india rail, road, pipelines access to iran , afghanstan and central asia earning billions of dollars and getting rid of all militancy in country and region will be free of tensions. Pakistan in 5-10 years can be in worlds top 10 economies by just giving transit services to india and .

Two major drawback for this solution would be acute water shortage In pakistan if India as some intel suggested kept drilling underground tunnels to deviate indus river flow .In other words we will be dependent on Indiaa for our water.
Secondly thousands of martyrs who gave their blood to free their muslim brothers from oppression will go in vain destroying armys morale rendering it weak against our second biggest enemy Israel

2)Put our own house in order and then let the whole world know that Kashmir is ours and if nobody cares about UN resolutions we do and will get it byforce if not by diplomacy.
Distribute half of nukes across international border telling world we wont use them unless india violates international border and start our offensive from north from siachin and kargil sectors and arm Kashmiri youth let the two armies fight and the stronger will be winner and we all know who will that be.

If we can deter india from international border and fight a localized war in Kashmir with the help of kashmiries I am sure we can win it in less than a month.

In the former case Pakistanis will die a slow death looking for water and in the later case even if we loose in conquering the whole Kashmir we will gain some area forsure if attack is planned well plus Kashmir dispute will be highlighted in a way that nothing else can do.

I will personally go by the later solution as people like modi don't understand the language of saris and congratulation criminals like him only understand the language of bullets.

We have 200,000 Lashkaris waiting for an opportunity to enter India, they are praying for this chance.
 
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We have 200,000 Lashkaris waiting for an opportunity to enter India, they are praying for this chance.
And all waiting to be slaughtered.
There are enormous benefits of being a very large country with a population of over 1.2 billion people - its that we are never short of people and guns to throw at a problem.

If its only 200,000 terrorists you have, you are running way way short. Your army doubled won't be able to take a net balance of 50 square kilometers in India, let alone 2 lakh terrorists.
 
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And all waiting to be slaughtered.
There are enormous benefits of being a very large country with a population of over 1.2 billion people - its that we are never short of people and guns to throw at a problem.

If its only 200,000 terrorists you have, you are running way way short. Your army doubled won't be able to take a net balance of 50 square kilometers in India, let alone 2 lakh terrorists.

It was a very large country for 1000 of years with a large number of girly man who cant fight. Every nation in the world has tested your fighting skills.
 
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Some people will not learn anything even if they faced same fate several times.
You are talking about a nation that is mastered in Chanakya Neeti in Indias case that is diplomacy.
Pakistan is always looking forshorterm solutions.Implemented policies on that perspectives.
But India did their moves for long term gains.Something that we have been started around 25 years ago and become offensive diplomacy after 26/11.

Now we have formidable resources and can implement offensive defensive military strategy.
 
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It was a very large country for 1000 of years with a large number of girly man who cant fight. Every nation in the world has tested your fighting skills.
a thousand or ten thousand years does not matter right now.

At the moment, your 2 lakh terrorists are nothing but a drop of water in a very very large bucket. Even if Pakistan doubled its army size, it won't be able to take a net 50 sq kms of territory from India, let alone Kashmir.

You know what Einstein said -Only fools expect different results while doing the same thing over and over again.
 
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