Give India-Pakistan peace a chance: Mani Shankar Aiyar

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NEW DELHI: Indian lawmaker Mani Shankar Aiyar has said peace must be given a chance to prosper between India and Pakistan.

"No state has suffered as much from terrorism as Pakistan itself. I do believe that a joint strategy to counter terrorism will enable both India and Pakistan to overcome what is, in effect, a joint threat to our people," The Daily Times quoted Aiyar, as saying. "Let us give peace a chance; we have nothing to lose but our chains, and we have a world to gain," he added.

He said Indo-Pak relations had experienced many highs and lows, but a leap of faith was needed to find a solution. Aiyar said mindsets could change "and there is a symbiotic relationship between mindsets and ground realities, and that the narrative of hate must definitely be countered".

He also praised the Pakistani Government for making decisive moves to normalise Indo-Pak trade ties with India, Aiyar hoped that both countries could "realistically" become each other's Most-Favoured Nations (MFN).

Speaking at a policy discussion seminar titled, 'India and Pakistan: Retrospect and Prospect?', Aiyar said: "History may have divided us, but geography binds us, and a shared inheritance holds as much potential to keep India and Pakistan apart, as it has in keeping them apart."

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Give India-Pakistan peace a chance: Mani Shankar Aiyar - The Economic Times

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

The ball is in Pakistan's court.

We are doing Pakistan a favor by even talking to them.

I'm not saying we should attack Pakistan or anything. Their nukes are a pretty good deterrent, just to give credit where it's due.

But if it were for me, India would not hold any talks with Pakistan.

Not for 5, 10, 20 years.

No talks.

No trade.

No cricket.

No diplomacy.

Nothing. As if they don't even exist.

War and peace are not the only options.

The option of not coming to the dialogue table and not going to war at the same time, is the best to deal with states like Pakistan.

The more attention you give to a kid, the more stubborn he becomes.

Leave the kid alone, let him cry to his heart's content, and after sometime, he will come back to you wagging his tail, so to speak.

The Pakistanis know that no matter howsoever much they send people like Kasab to India and butcher our people, we will ultimately come back to the dialogue table after some rona dhona.

That's where we make the mistake.

I say quit the dialogue process for years or decades if required and then see how this recalcitrant kid of a country mends its ways.

It's not like we have anything substantial to gain from Pakistan anyways. Good Indo-Pak relations will mostly benefit Pakistan alone. The status quo favours us.

 

[Splurgenxs]

^^well u point is valid but it lacks strategic depth.

When something wont budge the unwise chose to shun it ...but the wise take matter in there own hands and peruse it with more vigor.
Isolationism only works with far off countries.

Apart from all the charm offensive, Ayyar is a slimy bastard..there are no two ways about it.(not in a totally bad way though)

Pakistan consists of a boastful/emotional society, tht gets affected more by words than by actions.
reason vary from there underlying insecurity for there future, to there cultural political upbringing.

What has India achieved after years of respecting Pakistani concerns about water and national security?
Nothing...1 second some ***** of a leader speaks **** about India and they gulp it down hook line and sinker.

This proactive approach insures tht an official Indian stance is fed to the Pakistani people directly from a respected Indian dignitary without any mediation.
There little chance of adulteration either from there army or element like the scum hafiz saeeid.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

^^well u point is valid but it lacks strategic depth.

When something wont budge the unwise chose to shun it ...but the wise take matter in there own hands and peruse it with more vigor.
Isolationism only works with far off countries.

Apart from all the charm offensive, Ayyar is a slimy bastard..there are no two ways about it.(not in a totally bad way though)

Pakistan consists of a boastful/emotional society, tht gets affected more by words than by actions.
reason vary from there underlying insecurity for there future, to there cultural political upbringing.

What has India achieved after years of respecting Pakistani concerns about water and national security?
Nothing...1 second some ***** of a leader speaks **** about India and they gulp it down hook line and sinker.

This proactive approach insures tht an official Indian stance is fed to the Pakistani people directly from a respected Indian dignitary without any mediation.
There little chance of adulteration either from there army or element like the scum hafiz saeeid.

The question is, do we gain by talking to Pakistan or by not talking to Pakistan.

I believe that by not talking to Pakistan, we have nothing to lose...at the very least.

Just ignore them. Let them realise that their nuisance value and their capability to inflict damage on India born out of it is quite limited.

Besides, looking at the Pakistanis' predilection for self-destruction, I'd give them all the time in the world to do so.

 

[Splurgenxs]

The question is, do we gain by talking to Pakistan or by not talking to Pakistan.

I believe that by not talking to Pakistan, we have nothing to lose...at the very least.

Just ignore them. Let them realise that their nuisance value and their capability to inflict damage on India born out of it is quite limited.

Besides, looking at the Pakistanis' predilection for self-destruction, I'd give them all the time in the world to do so.

ill keep it short
Pakistan being and adjoined land mass tends to be easily susceptible to foreign influences that oppose India.

Economically-an unstable neighbourhood usually stokes bearish sentiments.

Ignoring the obvious Charm offensive ...i do not think it would change things extraordinarily,
But what diplomatically a layman tends to not see is tht, what it does do is...provide us a moral high ground... a powerful tool when dealing with any adversary.

This way the ball tends to end up in there court and are naturally prodded into not making irrational or anti india policies.
Because the world tends to follow such advances now a days.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

ill keep it short
Pakistan being and adjoined land mass tends to be easily susceptible to foreign influences that oppose India.

Economically-an unstable neighbourhood usually stokes bearish sentiments.

Ignoring the obvious Charm offensive ...i do not think it would change things extraordinarily,
But what diplomatically a layman tends to not see is tht, what it does do is...provide us a moral high ground... a powerful tool when dealing with any adversary.

This way the ball tends to end up in there court and are naturally prodded into not making irrational or anti india policies.
Because the world tends to follow such advances now a days.

All of what you're advocating has been done for years by our politicians and diplomats alike, yet it has gotten us zilch.

It's now time to try a different approach.

In a nutshell, it's time to tell the kid, "No matter how much you cry or shout or throw your arms around or jump around....you ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT TOY. PERIOD.".

 

[Splurgenxs]

^^Diplomats have not been doing this in the first place..what they have been effectively doing is just talking and getting nothing done.
u fail to see my point in all this...

some things are better left not spoken.
i dislike what pakistan is and what it continues to be to the very core...but u dont need to always be on the offensive to get things done.

In a nutshell, it's time to tell the kid, "No matter how much you cry or shout or throw your arms around or jump around....you ARE NOT GOING TO GET THAT TOY. PERIOD.".

it may sound tough ...but us two are not the only players playing in this playing field ...so u dont go about acting all high and mighty..

Well i for one know for a fact that the Pakistanis know this all along...hence there hue and cry.
we dont need to tell them anything

 

[Secur]

We are doing Pakistan a favor by even talking to them.

I'm not saying we should attack Pakistan or anything. Their nukes are a pretty good deterrent, just to give credit where it's due.

War and peace are not the only options.

The option of not coming to the dialogue table and not going to war at the same time, is the best to deal with states like Pakistan. The more attention you give to a kid, the more stubborn he becomes.

Leave the kid alone, let him cry to his heart's content, and after sometime, he will come back to you wagging his tail, so to speak. That's where we make the mistake.

I say quit the dialogue process for years or decades if required and then see how this recalcitrant kid of a country mends its way

First of all , keep in mind that you aren't doing anyone a favor by talking with Pakistan ... It is the need for both countries even if you dont want to believe it ... I will be very happy if our respective countries establish a DMZ just like N and S Korea and be happy with it ... What child are you talking about ? The same one which has been a pain in your *** for 60 years and to which you are psychologically obsessed with to such extent that your country doesn't even make a military purchase / foreign policy which is not Pakistan centric ... Do not come to the dialogue table for some time and you will soon see the results ...

 

[lynx]

Indo-Pakistan talks are just 'Chai Biskut' parties...waste of time and money. I think India should just build a shed in no mans land b/n the 2 countries so that babus from both countries can talk and eat to their heart's content and quit wasting our resources.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

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[CaptainJackSparrow]

First of all , keep in mind that you aren't doing anyone a favor by talking with Pakistan ... It is the need for both countries even if you dont want to believe it ... I will be very happy if our respective countries establish a DMZ just like N and S Korea and be happy with it ... What child are you talking about ? The same one which has been a pain in your *** for 60 years and to which you are psychologically obsessed with to such extent that your country doesn't even make a military purchase / foreign policy which is not Pakistan centric ... Do not come to the dialogue table for some time and you will soon see the results ...

Such as?

You have played all your cards, mate.

You've done all you could.

You've tried four wars. Didn't work.

You've tried supporting Punjab insurgency. Didn't work.

You've tried supporting Kashmir insurgency. Didn't work.

You've tried prepaid-killers like Kasab. Didn't work.

You've tried sheltering most wanted Indian criminals like Dawood Ibrahim. Didn't work.

You've tried the UN route. Didn't work.

You've tried global diplomacy. Didn't work.

Seriously, what can you do now which we haven't seen earlier. What new trick you have left up your sleeve?

Take it for what it is worth, you can't do anything more than what you've already done.

That's why I said in my first post, that you are a nuisance with a limited nuisance value and that's where your leverage ends. You can trouble us a bit but cannot cause any serious damage.

And just to burst your over-inflated assessment of self-worth, you have nothing which we might want.

We already have all that we want.

We have control over Kashmir's rivers. We have more than half the land too.

We have the whole world to trade with. The entire world today wants to trade with India.

You have a very insignificant middle class which could buy our products.

You are a very small market.

You are nowhere in the supply chain of global goods of worth.

You have no oil on which we depend.

Seriously, what do you have to offer us apart from some Nihari, aplate of Biryani (though I prefer Hyderabadi) and a can of Murree beer?

Get your ego out of the way and look at the facts as they stare you right in your face.

 

[Splurgenxs]

^^Calm down....if they were capable of self introspection ...they wouldn't be in such a mess.
all they do is blame...but we still need to do what is right for us and our neighbourhood..

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

^^Calm down....if they were capable of self introspection ...they wouldn't be in such a mess.
all they do is blame...but we still need to do what is right for us and our neighbourhood..

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[OrionHunter]

The only way forward for both countries is to stop screwing around each other. In other words, Pakistan should stop state sponsored terror against India, especially Kashmir, and India should stop its cloak-and-dagger tactics against Pakistan.

But the moot point is will this ever come about? Nope, because of very powerful vested interests in both countries. A paradigm shift would be required which can only be brought about by astute statesmanship on both sides, which unfortunately doesn't exist today.

 

[Splurgenxs]

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^^well im glad ...

"worked up" in Internet terms generally signifies tht u give 2 cahoots about what someone nobody has to say and write up a whole mountain of grief on there heads