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Germany to informally ban Huawei from 5G network

By offensive I did not mean "to give offense".

diplomatic offensive planned set of actions intended to influence a lot of people

What you meant to says is China is going on an offensive to defend its position and to rebuke the allegations and the lies of its opponent. I can understand that.

But how about those reports of aggressions and offensive action taken by China as described in US and India News Media.
Is China really taking an aggressive and offensive position in Himalaya as alleged or just reacting to India aggressive stance?

Do you think this type of news reported is justified?
 
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But what about the aggressiveness and offensive action taken by China as described in US and India News Media.
China is taking an aggressive and offensive position in Himalaya?

Do you think it is Justified?

I don't know who is responsible for the violence at the China-India border in 2020. In 1962, I know it was India's forward policy that precipitated the war that led to a humiliating defeat for India. Respected Western media source, NYT or WSJ has not apportioned any blame for events leading to the skirmish in 2020.

Speaking for myself and my friends or family in US and Europe. Of course anti-China sentiments is high, thanks to Trump, the economy and deaths due to COVID. It does not matter if China is at fault or not, western politics demands a bad guy. It was the Reich, Japan, Communism, USSR, Al Qaeda and the list goes on.

Personally, I think the game is rigged the Xi's, Putin's and the Trumps et al of this world are in cahoots and infuse drama into our dreary lives to keep the wheels in perpetual motion and attention away from their business.
 
Personally I don't thnk a boisterous Chinese President Xi is in a desperate or belligerent mode is in anyway like Trump in view of the ongoing worldwide pandemic.
Although News Media like WION, etc may indoctrinate its naive viewers to think so or in that direction.
I just watch this.


 
In fact the people in China is celebrating their 71th National Day.
IMO they have no time to plan all those sinister plots like some countries. To them, the folks happiness comes first. It is all so positive.

 
BERLIN (Reuters) - The German government is planning tougher oversight of telecoms network vendors that, while stopping short of a ban on Huawei [HWT.UL], will make it harder for the Chinese company to keep a foothold in Europe's largest market.

Three coalition and government sources said on Wednesday that an agreement had been reached in principle to extend scrutiny of a vendor's governance and technology to Radio Access Networks (RAN) powering next-generation 5G services, in addition to the more sensitive core.


The Handelsblatt daily reported earlier that, after two years of wrangling, Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition had agreed on a formula for how to handle so-called high-risk vendors in a proposed IT security law.

Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, declined to comment on the Handelsblatt story, telling a government news conference that the same security standards would apply to all vendors. The interior and economy ministries, both run by Merkel allies, said discussions on the legislation were continuing.

European governments have been reviewing market leader Huawei's role in the building of their networks following pressure from the United States, which says it poses a security threat because, among other concerns, Chinese companies and citizens must by law aid the state in intelligence gathering.

Restricting Huawei is the right approach, a senior U.S. official said, urging Berlin to support its NATO allies by removing Chinese technology from its next-generation networks.

"We are seeing things moving in the right direction in Germany ... There is really no future with Huawei," said Keith Krach, the U.S. undersecretary of state for economic affairs who has visited Berlin and Brussels in recent days.

Huawei denies it poses a security risk. It said it could not comment on a measure that was still being drafted, but highlighted its 30-year track record of delivering safe networks and transparent cooperation with the German authorities.

"We cannot identify any comprehensible reasons for restricting our market access," Huawei's German spokesman said.

German officials say that, while Britain has formally banned Huawei and France will informally exclude it, Germany will eventually strangle it in red tape. "The final outcome is the same," one senior security official has told Reuters.

POLITICAL JUDGEMENTS

Scrutiny of vendors would include up-front and ongoing assessments by Germany's cybersecurity watchdog and intelligence services, subject to a judgement from key government departments on whether a vendor is trustworthy, some sources said.

Exactly who has a seat at the table for that political call remains a subject of debate, with Merkel's coalition partners the Social Democrats, who run the foreign ministry, pushing to have a say.

The compromise still needs to be drafted into a legal text: "We hope that cabinet can adopt this in October, or at the latest in November," said one coalition source.

Germany's three mobile network operators - Deutsche Telekom, Vodafone and Telefonica Deutschland - are all clients of Huawei and have argued that ripping out and replacing its equipment would be costly.

Market leader Deutsche Telekom's 5G network, built largely with Huawei equipment, should cover two-thirds of the German population by the end of the year, meaning it will be largely completed by the time IT security law takes effect.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/germany-tighten-scrutiny-telecoms-network-074929314.html
Netherlands is closely working on 5g with close collaboration with USA. Germany might be benefitting from it.
 
If the proposal becomes law then Huawei is finished. Not only Huawei, other chinese vendors are finished. Per IT Sicherheitsgesetz 2.0, Germany will then only allow 5g vendors if they are politically trustworthy. That’s an impossible hurdle for every chinese company.

The only way out: Huawei moves all factories to Vietnam.
Had it been any other European or even western country I'll have agreed. However Germanys case is different. I'm not sure Germany will remove all Huawei equipment from it's network, unlike Britain said they will before 2030 and France who unofficially distanced itself from Huawei and restricted their use . At most I think Germany will restrict Huawei from it's core network going forward(which was our policy before the government recently did a 360° turn a few months ago), but they will keep using their equipment in other areas of their network.
The reason for Germany's reluctance is that Unlike France and Britain ( Europe two other latest powers) Germany's trade with China is so huge and significant that German leaders need to tread more carefully in this regard due to their own economic interests . France and UK had far less to lose than Germany , since China is already Germany's largest market in most sectors and German companies export and make huge sums of money from the Chinese market. So they are more carefu in this regard than other European powers.
 
It is comeuppance for the way western firms have been denied access to Chinese markets through you guessed it - red tape.
Yes, it's true that funny enough China does complain about some practices that they themselves have been having for a long time. In fact the Chinese bars foreign companies from investing or running some strategic sectors in the country. Telecom, electric grid , payment system, cyber space etc are all part of them. However , they are also right to justify this complains against the West, since they use the free market model western countries have adopted to justify their complains about being restricted from taking part in western countries core sectors. So in some ways they are right, even though they adopt even more restrictive policies in this regard. Lol
 
Had it been any other European or even western country I'll have agreed. However Germanys case is different. I'm not sure Germany will remove all Huawei equipment from it's network, unlike Britain said they will before 2030 and France who unofficially distanced itself from Huawei and restricted their use . At most I think Germany will restrict Huawei from it's core network going forward(which was our policy before the government recently did a 360° turn a few months ago), but they will keep using their equipment in other areas of their network.
The reason for Germany's reluctance is that Unlike France and Britain ( Europe two other latest powers) Germany's trade with China is so huge and significant that German leaders need to tread more carefully in this regard due to their own economic interests . France and UK had far less to lose than Germany , since China is already Germany's largest market in most sectors and German companies export and make huge sums of money from the Chinese market. So they are more carefu in this regard than other European powers.
The key problem for Germany has a name called: Siemens.
Siemens used to be the provider of technology. In the past the company was great Now the company sucks. Siemens is expected to deliver 5g, not coming from chinese companies. We should send Siemens executives to jail for incompetence.
 

Berlin government was on the fence on how to handle Huawei for almost two years.

German lawmakers passed tougher 5G security legislation on Friday, capping two years of doubts over whether Europe's largest market would get tough on Chinese telecoms giant Huawei.

The new IT Security Law 2.0, approved by the Bundestag, restricts the role of “untrustworthy” suppliers of 5G technology and requires telecoms operators to notify the government if they sign contracts for critical 5G components. It also gives the government powers to block them.

After years of wrangling, the rules bring Berlin closer into line with Paris, London and other major capitals on regulating sensitive network technology.


Even so, applying the rules will require political will. The job of deciding how to apply the standards will largely fall to Germany's next government, as the country heads to the polls for a federal election in September.

"The use of critical components can be denied if the supplier is not trustworthy," Interior Minister Horst Seehofer told the Bundestag.

The vote on stricter 5G rules comes just days after Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi singled out 5G in a call with his German counterpart Heiko Maas.

“Both sides should oppose the so-called ‘decoupling’ together, jointly keep the global industrial and supply chains smooth and stable,” the Chinese minister said, according to a readout.

'Must match NATO goals'
The latest text represents a harder line than a previous proposal presented by the government in December, and comes after lawmakers voiced dismay over Chancellor Angela Merkel's handling of the issue.

Negotiations over Germany's stance on Huawei were largely stalled last year as ministries and coalition parties failed to make up their minds on the crucial question of market access.


In the meantime, Merkel has pushed to sign an investment agreement with Beijing and to preserve trade relations with China amid U.S. pressure to adopt a tougher stance.

Repeated delays came amid disagreement in the ruling coalition over how to handle Huawei — a privileged supplier to the three major operators of 4G infrastructure in Germany.

The final version of the law gives more power to the interior ministry to block 5G contracts and less to other ministries, like the economy ministry, which has been more favorable toward Huawei in the past.

After operators notify the government of plans to buy new critical 5G components, the interior ministry will have between two and four months to check the deal against national security criteria.

Lawmakers also added a line that the use of new critical 5G components have to match “security policy goals” of Germany, the EU and NATO. The latter two have taken positions cautioning against the use of Chinese kit in critical and sensitive parts of new telecoms networks.

Manufacturers will also have to provide a “declaration of trustworthiness,” while members of parliament also raised the bar for suppliers to meet this criterion of “trustworthiness.”
 
Good. As it is Huawei was built by reverse engineering Cisco. Can't reward thieves.
 

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