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The German government has ordered the expulsion of a CIA official in Berlin in response to two cases of alleged spying by the US.

The official is said to have acted as a CIA contact at the US embassy, reports say, in a scandal that has infuriated German politicians.

A German intelligence official was arrested last week on suspicion of spying.

An inquiry had also begun into a German defence ministry worker, reports said.

"The representative of the US intelligence services at the embassy of the United States of America has been told to leave Germany," government spokesman Steffen Seibert said.

Earlier this week the White House described the partnership between the US and Germany as one built on respect. But no-one likes to be spied on, especially when it's your friend doing the spying.

This latest episode is yet another reminder of how American surveillance programmes are causing friction with allies. It's angered many in Germany, where the issue of snooping is historically a very sensitive one, and many are asking: "What? Again?"

It wasn't too long ago, after all, that we heard the National Security Agency was spying on Chancellor Merkel's mobile phone. After a review into the surveillance programmes, President Obama promised the US wouldn't spy on its friends overseas.

But despite requests to be included, Germany isn't part of a non-spying pact the US has with Britain, New Zealand, Australia and Canada. The White House will want to do all it can to repair any trust issues over this latest incident, so they can work together in other areas - for example, it needs German support for tougher sanctions against Russia over Ukraine.

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Analysis by Stephen Evans, BBC News, Berlin

The request by the German government follows increasing frustration that it has failed to get US assurances that spying would cease on German citizens from Chancellor Merkel down.

She was shocked to learn that her mobile phone conversations were secretly being monitored while President Obama was greeting her as a friend on his visit to Berlin.

Chancellor Merkel has tried to maintain a balance between condemning America's actions but also maintaining cordial relations. Each revelation has made that balance harder to achieve.

This matters because America needs German help on a range of issues from trying to get the world economy out of its difficulties, to finding united Western action on Russia, to dealing with the revelations emanating from Edward Snowden who is currently in Moscow but whom some German lawmakers want to invite to Berlin.

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The chairman of the Bundestag (parliament) committee overseeing the secret service said the action had been taken because of America's spying on German politicians and its failure to co-operate and provide adequate responses.

The US has not denied allegations that a German intelligence agency employee arrested last week was passing secret documents to the US National Security Agency (NSA).

However, the latest reports that an employee within the defence ministry was also spying for the US were considered more serious. Although no arrest was made, searches were carried out on Wednesday at the ministry and elsewhere.

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A committee at the German parliament (in background) is investigating US spying allegations
The US and Germany have been close allies for decades but relations were hit last year when it emerged that Chancellor Angela Merkel's mobile phone had been monitored by the NSA.

The White House declined to comment on the matter but said the security and intelligence relationship with Germany "is a very important one and keeps Germans and Americans safe".

"It is essential that co-operation continue in all areas and we will continue to be in touch with the German government in appropriate channels," spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said.

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Timeline: Germany spy scandal
October 2013: German Chancellor Angela Merkel calls US President Barack Obama after revelations that the US may have spied on her mobile phone

June 2014: Germany announces an investigation into the claims

4 July 2014: A suspected US spy said to be working for the German intelligence agency is arrested

9 July 2014: A second case emerges as searches are carried out at the defence ministry

10 July 2014: German government orders expulsion of CIA official

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On Thursday, Mrs Merkel said spying on allies was a "waste of energy".

"We have so many problems, we should focus on the important things," she said.

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Claims that the US bugged Angela Merkel's phone came from intelligence leaker Edward Snowden
"In the Cold War maybe there was general mistrust. Today we are living in the 21st Century. Today there are completely new threats."

German Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere said the information that the US appeared to have gained from the suspected espionage was "laughable" but the political damage was "disproportionate and serious".

The scale of the US agency's surveillance was revealed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, who fled the US and is now a fugitive in Russia.

The German intelligence official arrested last week was alleged to have been trying to gather details about a German parliamentary committee investigating the NSA spying scandal.

When Mrs Merkel visited the White House in May, President Barack Obama sought to assure her and the German people they were not subject to "continual surveillance" by the US.

He said "complicated issues" were involved but he anticipated that the matter would be resolved to the satisfaction of both countries.

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Things are not good now.
 
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Wonderful News...

Germany should even ditch NATO and move ahead to strengthen its Armed Forces as Germany has the best Economy in the entire Europe.
 
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Wonderful News...

Germany should even ditch NATO and move ahead to strengthen its Armed Forces as Germany has the best Economy in the entire Europe.


You sir are not right.

Europeans/Americans know to play the game. English global image was destroyed. America takes over. America/England were very close allies that time too. Why did the world expect something different?

Same story now...American public image is getting destroyed. Pump another power. Lets see who gets milk&honey this time.

Europeans will never ever turn against each other. Never.

They can "Act" as a divided region but that too to increase the influence. For example, Asia might start dealing with Germany more than England. Fine! But will Germany not prioritize relation with England? I think not...


Slavery abolished (Europeans major players) than 400 million + people colonized by the British/French/Dutch etc Colonialism dies...America takes over. Wait to see the hegemonic culture becoming more dominant in the Muslim world.
 
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You sir are not right.

Europeans/Americans know to play the game. English global image was destroyed. America takes over. America/England were very close allies that time too. Why did the world expect something different?

Same story now...American public image is getting destroyed. Pump another power. Lets see who gets milk&honey this time.

Europeans will never ever turn against each other. Never.

They can "Act" as a divided region but that too to increase the influence. For example, Asia might start dealing with Germany more than England. Fine! But will Germany not prioritize relation with England? I think not...


Slavery abolished (Europeans major players) than 400 million + people colonized by the British/French/Dutch etc Colonialism dies...America takes over. Wait to see the hegemonic culture becoming more dominant in the Muslim world.

Its a benefit of not living in lands controlled by religion and the lands that are religious are all extremely secular, complain about it all you like but its one of the main reasons why Europeans can be united more than any other people, a common religion/lack of.

Relations between Europeans dont change, political headlines will but the businesses/citizens dont give a shit about that, we can all freely visit each other and live in each others countries and feel at home fairly easily, and despite the amount of languages that are spoken its a benefit of unity that happens when you live in a land that is not dominated by religion and can have a fairly widespread liberal approach all over.

Imagine if Islam never existed in the middle east, it would undoubtedly be a prosperous area where people would love to travel to in great numbers, invest in etc.

UNITY FOR ALL HUMANS, KILL ALL ALIENS.
 
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Wonderful News...

Germany should even ditch NATO and move ahead to strengthen its Armed Forces as Germany has the best Economy in the entire Europe.


Why should we waste money when we get it cheaper now through NATO? You can´t eat pride. We are the best economy because we are calculating.
 
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Why should we waste money when we get it cheaper now through NATO? You can´t eat pride. We are the best economy because we are calculating.

Buddy US will eat Germany alive, do you serious think US is a good old humble friend/ally? seriously France/UK/Turkey are only powerful NATO members on the European side rest of lil NATO nations would ditch NATO to save themselves in any next WW.

You sir are not right.

Europeans/Americans know to play the game. English global image was destroyed. America takes over. America/England were very close allies that time too. Why did the world expect something different?

Same story now...American public image is getting destroyed. Pump another power. Lets see who gets milk&honey this time.

Europeans will never ever turn against each other. Never.

They can "Act" as a divided region but that too to increase the influence. For example, Asia might start dealing with Germany more than England. Fine! But will Germany not prioritize relation with England? I think not...


Slavery abolished (Europeans major players) than 400 million + people colonized by the British/French/Dutch etc Colonialism dies...America takes over. Wait to see the hegemonic culture becoming more dominant in the Muslim world.

Nobody is saying Euro should turn against each other it is just ditching NATO.
 
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This is all theater. The US told its german vassals who to expel for benefit of saving face in front of the cameras. Its funny so many of you children bought this charade. Not one sophisticated strategic thinker in the bunch. You people deserve to live in this make believe made for tv world.

Merkel is Obamas handlers bitch. Sad but true.
 
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Buddy US will eat Germany alive, do you serious think US is a good old humble friend/ally? seriously France/UK/Turkey are only powerful NATO members on the European side rest of lil NATO nations would ditch NATO to save themselves in any next WW.



Nobody is saying Euro should turn against each other it is just ditching NATO.

bullshit. NATO guarantees our dominance over the world with little effort. Its the most economic solution at the time.
 
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