Germany ‘Can’t Explain’ Use of Broomsticks Instd of Guns in NATO Exercise

[flamer84]

The removal of smaller, less developed nations means Germany loses on a smaller market, but then they would save cash by not needing to continuously bailing them out. While the EU seems like a great plan, no borders, economic integration, Human rights etc, you need to realize that politics still very much nationalist rather than European, and with Europe having such a massive historical significance, there is no way you will have consensus. So let EU work just like a coherent economy, but those who cannot contribute in share to their consumption, need to be dealt with. In the next 10 years or 20, as the trade increases with a rising Asia and Africa, the relevance of countries like Greece to Germany will simply go down. They can still retain FTAs regardless of EU. Are you telling me that nations cannot have trade agreements and tax concessions just because they are not in a EU like union?

And as you suggested, yes it is true that Romania can borrow money cheaply, why is it not doing so? Why are Romanians flocking to other nations? Romania needs to borrow that money and put it to good use.

Because we don't want to borrow anymore.You can google it,we just told the IMF to "piss off".When you borrow from the IMF they come with conditions.A few weeks ago they told us to privatise the coal industry,in translation cut loose 20.000 jobs and raise gas prices.That was unacceptable and the Goverment told them that we won't extend our deals with them.There was no drama like it was with Greece because we are on time with repayments since the 2009 20 billion euros bailout and we simply don't want money on their conditions,"their conditions" being choking the economy and useless austerity which leads to lower economic growth by cutting purchase power in the market.And despite all the outcries,Eastern Europeans are a good adition to Western job markets,they are a skilled,qualified workforce.Ofcourse they don't like the opposite of the coin when their welfare laws are abused which sadly happens.On top of that we sell bonds on the market,so we borrow,but many times bureaucracy and corruption gets in the way of eficient investments.Even so,for 2013 Romania had the biggest GDP growth in the EU ,the 5th largest this year(2.6%) and growth rates are good also for the coming years.So,coupled with the current anti coruption crusade (hundreds of arrests,officials,judges,in jails or on trials) Romania is actually on the good road for the last 2 years.

You see,i'm not talking about "small economies",you've cleverly missed the fact that they would have to cut loose large economies such Spain,Italy and it's not even about "cutting loose" one country or about the market.Even if only Greece leaves it would crumble the entire infrastructure Germany has built for her economy in Europe.If Greece leaves it's a manageable disaster (maybe),if more follow suite it's kaput for Germany.Why do you think it hasn't crossed their minds only to have a "union of the strong"?And another no,having only FTA's negates the whole purpose of the Union,it looses control and gets Europe back to square one,plus it weakens Germany's economy because it won't have the clout for her strong export orientated machine.You see,this whole block moves after Germany and its interests.

This video posted by @atatwolf in another thead has some answers for your questions

It's all very interesting but if you want to skip some parts go from 31-32 min onwards

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Which is falling apart.They're going to need that army to put people back in line or they'll find an economic way out of it.The latter seems more and more improbable.The first one one seems far away to.

Isn't there a clause in the EU charter, that you need a certain amount of liquidity in the market or else your out? The current EU- Greece Crisis isn't just because of Germany. When you have almost 75% of the population not paying their taxes but still demanding a welfare state what can you expect? Greeks had it easy for decades, now, because of the Global Recession it caught up to them. The EU was foolish enough to allow Greece in, they were stupid to get their arm twisted by letting Cyprus in.

EU in it's current form of 28 nations is not sustainable, but for Germany that doesn't matter because they can revert to a smaller one. I mean, seriously, what were they thinking when they added nations like Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Portugal, Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Lithania, Estonia etc? They were no where in terms of development and economics as the France, Germany, Italy, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands?

The best economic integration is between a 'North' economy and a 'South' economy. North being developed, South the opposite. The North get's it's industries access to cheap labor, the South gets jobs, and the world gets top quality products backed by the might of the Northern Firm.

Here's an interesting paper.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2009/october/tradoc_145214.pdf

 

[Echo_419]

EU in it's current form of 28 nations is not sustainable, but for Germany that doesn't matter because they can revert to a smaller one. I mean, seriously, what were they thinking when they added nations like Poland, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Portugal, Greece, Cyprus, Romania, Lithania, Estonia etc? They were no where in terms of development and economics as the France, Germany, Italy, Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands?

So the 'better developed' ones can have their on EU, more like a 12 state one rather than a 28 state one. UK had to open up their borders, and wallah, you got Romanians and Polish rushing there.

How are Polish & Romanian immigrants (Hard working or not)

It is not about being more or less developed.Big,developed economies like Italy,Spain,were more affected than Romania or Poland by Germany's economic hegemony.France only stayed afloat because it kept its borrowing deficit unlike the others and contrary to all EU regulations.It would be,from an economic point of view more viable to cut Italy loose than say...Romania.Romania is what you call,fiscally disciplined,has a very small budget deficit ,it basically lives on what it produces,not on debt or aid.You could check,before making baseless claims,that on the international bonds market Romania can borrow money at lower rates than Italy,Spain.Simply put,altough smaller,Romanian economy lives within its means and has fewer risks.

Anyway,the discussion is still meaningless because the German economy needs all the current countries to stay in the Union and letting even one loose means the fall of the domino with consequences for their economy.

 

[thesolar65]

@Echo_419 , I think Mr. Kejriwal and his symbol has touched German Army's heart!!

 

[Donatello]

The best economic integration is between a 'North' economy and a 'South' economy. North being developed, South the opposite. The North get's it's industries access to cheap labor, the South gets jobs, and the world gets top quality products backed by the might of the Northern Firm.

Here's an interesting paper.

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2009/october/tradoc_145214.pdf

It sounds very good on paper. However, not when that cheap labor comes in and starts accessing your welfare system. Since you are a welfare state, you ought to make payments. And that's what breaks it down. NHS in Britain, for example, is struggling to cope with the migration. The system has not expanded as much as the population accessing it.