Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

[Indus Falcon]

Well, for many Muslims, like the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, this "occupation" started much earlier.

And when was Israel formally declared a state, on top of an occupied Palestine?

 

[SenLin]

And when was Israel formally declared a state, on top of an occupied Palestine?

1947 obviously.
But yes, the creation of Israel was/is a good thing.

 

[Indus Falcon]

1947 obviously.
But yes, the creation of Israel was/is a good thing.

Occupying someone else's property is good by your logic.

So how would you feel if I kicked you out of your house and occupied it?

Going by YOUR logic, it should be a good thing!


Secondly, IF it's such a good thing why are you not in Israel, but in Germany?

 

[SenLin]

Occupying someone else's property is good by your logic.

So how would you feel if I kicked you out of your house and occupied it?

Going by YOUR logic, it should be a good thing!

It was probably not easy for the Muslims, but Israel is a reality. Please accept it.
Anyway, Muslims occupied much more land & people through history. And they have absolute no problems with that.
Rather, it makes them proud.
I don't see why Jews can't do the same, especially since they only took what God promised them as theirs.

Secondly, IF it's such a good thing why are you not in Israel, but in Germany?

I am a German Catholic. Germany is my home, not Israel.

 

[Indus Falcon]

It was probably not easy for the Muslims, but Israel is a reality. Please accept it.
Anyway, Muslims occupied much more land & people through history. And they have absolute no problems with that.
Rather, it makes them proud.
I don't see why Jews can't do the same, especially since they only took what God promised them as theirs.

It's NOT the existence of Israel that is a problem, but it's atrocities and barbarism.

 

[Superboy]

More than 10% of German people died in WW2. Yeah, they fought brave, they fought hard. Had Hitler not make stupid decision of invading others, Germany today would be very different. The people of Germany loved Hitler. No unemployment. Socialism. I think Germany in the 1930s sent the first radio signal into space, didn't it?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Indus Falcon

Let it go. The moment "god promised" comes in your never going to win your argument. Religion and logic don't mix. Let us just focus on Pakistan. I have lot of experiance with this.

It all boils down to a signature I read on a Turkish member here "“Sovereignty is not given, it is taken.”-Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

Something we need to always bear that in mind in Pakistan.

 

[Indus Falcon]

@Indus Falcon

Let it go. The moment "god promised" comes in your never going to win your argument. Religion and logic don't mix. Let us just focus on Pakistan. I have lot of experiance with this.

It all boils down to a signature I read on a Turkish member here "“Sovereignty is not given, it is taken.”-Mustafa Kemal Atatürk.

Something we need to always bear that in mind in Pakistan.

You are right. "God promised it" so they stole it! Logic ki aj to ma behan ek kardi isnay

 

[SenLin]

It's NOT the existence of Israel that is a problem, but it's atrocities and barbarism.

Compared to its neighbors, Israel is no doubt the most civilized country in the region.
Though i am no friend of Netanyahu & think that the situation in Gaza should be to some extend handled differently.
Well, in the West Bank too.
Still, i will always support Israel.

 

[Desert Fox]

@Solomon2

This is a strange world we live in. The people who were responsible for one of histories bloodiest mass murders at a scale probably never seen before today stand cleansed of all culpability.

The wider European populace like Poles, Larvians etc who aided and abetted the German murder machine because they could not live with their fellow European, the Jew stand cleansed and are rewarded as entrants to the EC.

Let us look at the accountability or lack of it that the Germans and others belonging to 'Christiandom' had to face. A few stray people labelled "Nazis" or "sympathizers" were hanged and that was it. The collective culpability of Europeans was washed by blaming all this on few bad eggs the "Nazis".

Germany and "Christiandom" was rewarded for it's crimes. Marshall Plan was launched which would mean less than a few years later the living standard was better then prewar. The problem with the "Anti-Semitism" was resolved by simply exporting most of the Semites in Christiandom to the Middle East.

This served many purposes. First it got rid of the problem of Anti-Semitism in Europe as now it was left with token number of Jews and also exported product allowed the setting up of a colony in Middle East.

Nothing changed in Germany. Most Germans are as racist as they ever were. I have had dealings with German's. In fact I got to know one quite well and was a 'friend'. He would use terms like "shampuni" alluding of course to the gas chambers.

Sorry bro, but you are very much misinformed and lack certain historical knowledge in this regards.

Your saying that the Germans had a easy pass after WW2 and walked away scotch free?? Not really.

Germany lost half of its territory to Poland, Czechoslovakia and Russia, land which was German for 700 years. Secondly, more than 2 million German women and girls as young as 8 and as old as 90 were raped and brutalized by Soviets and Western Allies. Also, close to 2 million German POW's were starved to death by Eisenhower in the Rhine Meadows Death Camps.

Germany's post war recovery and economic prosperity today is only due to the industrious and productive nature of the German people.


If anyone is to blame for Palestine's occupation by Israel than blame Muslims, and Arabs, the ones who back stabbed Ottoman Turkey in 1917 and cut a deal with the Zionist dominated British Empire.

 

[Psychic]

Sorry bro, but you are very much misinformed and lack certain historical knowledge in this regards.

Your saying that the Germans had a easy pass after WW2 and walked away scotch free?? Not really.

Germany lost half of its territory to Poland, Czechoslovakia and Russia, land which was German for 700 years. Secondly, more than 2 million German women and girls as young as 8 and as old as 90 were raped and brutalized by Soviets and Western Allies. Also, close to 2 million German POW's were starved to death by Eisenhower in the Rhine Meadows Death Camps.

Germany's post war recovery and economic prosperity today is only due to the industrious and productive nature of the German people.


If anyone is to blame for Palestine's occupation by Israel than blame Muslims, and Arabs, the ones who back stabbed Ottoman Turkey in 1917 and cut a deal with the Zionist dominated British Empire.

More over they are still compensating for holocaust to Israel. Remember the dolphin submarines.

 

[Desert Fox]

More over they are still compensating for holocaust to Israel. Remember the dolphin submarines.

Yeah, pretty much. Israel literally receives free money and weapons from hard working German taxpayers because of their guilt complex. That is besides the financial and military aid they receive from America and other Western countries.

 

[MarkusS]

@DESERT FIGHTER

Forget about him. I think I gave him something to chew on. I know a guy - He is nice guy though but he is huge. I mean Hulk huge and he behaves weird. The thing is lot* of these bodybuilders use all sort of rubbish. The entire industry knows this although nobody says they use it but all use them, protests of denial notwithstanding.

Those injections mush the brains and make the other thing limp as a lame dangle ...

* Please note I said "lot" not all.

I must disappoint you, I take no roids and my blood is checked. If i would take roids i would look completly different. The problem is that you and so many others never train, look like wimps and dont know how a natural looking male looks like.

Please provide evidence as to when Muslims tried to invade Italy and conquer rome?

On the contrary, it was Italy who occupied Libya, Ethiopia, Majorca and Albania.

We were at war with the ottoman empire for almost 400 years. The battle for Otranto comes to mind, where muslims murdered almost the entire population of a city in italy. The battle at malta is another case. The situation was so critical that we evacuated the Vatican for several years from rome to avignion. In the end we won and the muslim threat was crushed. The ottomans tried so bad to invade italy and conquer rome, that they did fall over it.

Your little ISIS buddies want conquer rome as well.

Look amigo, muslims share nothing with us. Your culture is incompatible with ours. Im not one of those who believe in this coexistance bullshit. I dont care about your people, i only care about my own.

 

[Indian Patriot]

LOL you really are that stupid... You just failed so hard ... its just hilarious

Do I justify the Soviet aggression? No I do not. If you can show me any comment in which I did so you are free to show it to us to prove your claims.

Or any comment in which I say that I am a socialist

But you cannot... because I never did. Its your puny little narrow minded world view that is telling you that. And the more you try, the more stupid and desperate you look. So go on loser...

Show us your proof, in case you believe in the fact that educated people tend to back up their claims

You are just a troll who needs to hide his shame behind smileys because you ran out of facts.

1. Nazis were not "evil". They wanted an empire like any other western country.

2. The nazis did not do half the crimes attributed to them, it was allied propaganda.

3. The soviets were true evil who mass murdered their own people.

4. The allied war crimes against Germany is worse than the german war crimes, if any.

A simple Google search would have exposed your stupidity.

Allied war crimes during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Top 10 Allied War Crimes of World War II - Listverse

5. You don't need to admit you are socialist. Your posts reek of socialism.

6. I am not your friend and I have no interest in idle chatter with you. If you cannot contribute to the thread then fcuk off.

I am a European. My country - a declared neutral country - got invaded by Nazi-Germany.

Now that explains your deliberate ignorance of war crimes against Germans. Your posts are biased because you have a prejudiced notion of history. And if you are from a western European country - my guess is Holland - then it means your country did some equally ghastly crimes against humanity in the name of colonialism. But let's only concentrate on nazism because it is more convenient and less awkward for the "morally righteous" allied countries.

P.S. - I had not read your complete post, you are actually Ducth. And since you are full of moral outrage against Nazis why don't we sit down and talk about the outrage caused by dutch colonialism. Dutch east indies, name rings a bell?

More over they are still compensating for holocaust to Israel. Remember the dolphin submarines.

The Israelis are shamelessly milking the Germans for past crimes. And it is not like only Germans hated the Jews, entire Europe hated them. Germans were made into a convenient scapegoat.

 

[drunken-monke]

If you knew anything about european colonial history you would understand. I don't know what your problems are but the germans did nothing different from what the colonialists did.

Yes, but when you have to choose between two evils, its must be the less evil and surely Nazi's were not the ones...
Common Germans could not simply look beyond the economic development which Hitler brought.. His reforms blanketed his cruel intentions..How can he justify killing of 6 million Jews and about more than 61 millions allied Civilians and Soldiers taken together? Not to forget deaths of 12 million Germans...

Terror bombing in second world war was started by bomber harris when he directed the RAF to deliberately target German cities to relieve RAF bases under attack from Luftwaffe. Hitler was outraged when German cities were bombed and ordered bombing of London which was a knee jerk reaction and absolute failure. If Luftwaffe had continued its tactics of targetting RAF bases then battle of britain would have been different.

It was Luftwaffe which accidentally bombed London in one of the Night raids.. Which was followed by RAF bombarding German cities.. Forgot V1 and V2 targeting London??

And Japan and Germany are two different countries.

Japanese were equally cruel to their adversaries in second world war.. Forgot Nanking Massacare?? May be @Nihonjin1051 or @Chinese-Dragon could shade more light on this..

Then why are you crying for german bombardment of Spain?

Stop being a hypocrite.

Its about loss of precious human life..

If you are appreciating technological and scientific advancement and economic development of Nazi Germany, then you should also take in to consideration the atrocities they have committed.. Slaves were used for Industrial development of Germany which made the Industrial output at a lower cost and greater rate. And About Stalin, he was no better than Hitler himself...

The generation of Germans who lived through the years of Nazi rule only remember the rejuvination and class unity their nation experienced after the utter humiliation they suffered under the treaty of Versailles for 20 years; a humiliation which was imposed on them.

Major reason for WW2

Funny thing is, Stauffenberg and other traitors who were involved in the July plot were betrayed by the British Radio Broadcasts who named every single one of them and gave away their positions to high ranking Nazis which lead to the executions of all July plotters.

The British & Americans were not interested in making peace with Germany, Hitler, or no Hitler:

"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or National Socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest."--Winston Churchill, Emrys Hughes, Winston Churchill - His Career in War and Peace, p. 145; quoted as per: Adrian Preissinger, Von Sachsenhausen bis Buchenwald, p. 23.

Your ID refers Field Marshal Erwin Rommel..