Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

[Penguin]

P.S. - Germany did not come up with the propaganda of WMD in Iraq.

The Real Story of 'Curveball': How German Intelligence Helped Justify the US Invasion of Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

 

[Indian Patriot]

The Real Story of 'Curveball': How German Intelligence Helped Justify the US Invasion of Iraq - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Can you please stop your lies and propaganda. It would be considered good manners on your side if you don't blame the great plague and 9/11 on Germany itself.

 

[Penguin]

Can you please stop your lies and propaganda. It would be considered good manners on your side if you don't blame the great plague and 9/11 on Germany itself.

What exactly did I lie about? Does German media equal propaganda?

Der Spiegel is a German weekly new magazine published in Hamburg. It is one of Europe's largest publications of its kind, with a weekly circulation of more than one million. Der Spiegel is known in German speaking countries mostly for its investigative journalism. It has played a key role in uncovering many political scandals. According to The Economist (another one of those propaganda outlets), Der Spiegel is one of continental Europe's most influential magazines.

See also acamedia - Proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction

 

[Koovie]

It is also a uniquely German way of shedding responsibility of the past. In Hitler's time they eagerly threw off the Weimar Republic. After Hitler was gone, they eagerly became slaves. There was no resistance post surrender. Remarkable capability for adjustment. Admirable. Not honorable.

Wrong, instead on shedding responsibility, they fully acknowledge the mistakes of the past generations and made it the base of their actions on the international stage, they realized the mistakes in the past constitution (which made it possible for Hitler to become a dictator), they made the ideals of democracy and freedom the very founding stones of their new nation etc etc etc

And the reason why there was no resistance after the war was because they were quite happy to be free of Hitler and the other maniacs.. and not all Germans were nazis... Infact a huge proportion of them were against the lunatics running their nation. Ever heard of the tens of thousands of Germans who were butchered by their government for raising their voices?

Blind and brainless nationalism is not less dangerous than religious fundamentalism. Germans have realized this.

 

[Penguin]

All allied propaganda. England was creating propaganda against Germany. The europeans hate Germany for their alleged fascism while the rest of the world hates europeans for their colonial past. For allies Germany was villain while for colonies Germany was the hero for bombing and killing dutch, english, french and avenging colonialism.

Right.

You do recall that Italy also had a fascist dictatorship (Mussolini), and so did Spain (Franco) as well as Portugal (Salazar)? In Austria before the Anschluss you had Englebert Dollfuss. In fact, in those days, no European country-the Soviet Union obviously excepted- was without a form of fascist party, its members bedecked in uniforms, its "leader" promising strong-handed rule. Outside of Germany and Italy, the most successful of these fascist regimes was that introduced by Francisco Franco in Spain. Even the large democratic states witnessed the rise of fascist groups within their midst. More nuisances than threats, these organizations nonetheless demonstrated the yearning felt by many citizens for authoritarian government. In Great Britain there was the "British Union of Fascists"; in France e.g. Action Française; in the United States there was a Long Island-based group calling themselves the "Silver Shirts." All of these dictatorial parties and regimes were primarily expressions of political discontent with economic conditions, as well as responses to the confusing complexity of modern existence. Fascism also wasn't limited to Europe. See List of Fascist movements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do also recall it was Germany that militarily occupied Austria (March 1938), militarily invaded what remained of Czechoslovakia (march 1939), Poland (september 1939), Denmark and Norway (April 1940), The Netherlands, Belgium Luxemburg and France (may 1940), Yugoslavia and Greece (April 1941) and the Soviet Union (June 1941). With the invasion of the Soviet Union, which also held part of Poland, Germany conquered a huge area, including the Baltic republics, Belarus, and West Ukraine. On 11 december 1941, 4 days after the Pearl Harbor attack, Nazi-Germany declared war on the US (and not vice-versa).

Or is all this just propaganda, exaggeration, 'never happened' too? After all, I'm a European and cannot look at the history of my own part of the world without (victors' or colonialist) bias.

I hope you realize you have just disqualified yourself as unbiased regarding my part of the world ("the rest of the world hates europeans for their colonial past").

 

[Desert Fox]

@Penguin Speaking of Terror Bombings, Britain sure leaves Germany in the dust when it comes to bombing civilians, even those of her Allies:

Did you know that carpet bombing French cities and towns was also considered a strategic objective of America and Britain during the war??

Interesting fact for you, the Luftwaffe not once carried out a massive aerial bombing campaign over any French city during the Battle for France.

On the other hand France's "allies" Britain and America dropped tons of incendiaries on French cities and towns murdering thousands of French civilians and destroying thousands of homes and historical architecture.

More French civilians were killed by American and British bombers than by the Germans.

Allied Bombing of France during World War II - Wikipedia


Did you also know that American GI's raped thousands of French women when they landed in France and took it over from the Germans?

Pillaging and raping French civilians was in fact common amongst American GI's since there was a widespread view of the French as being weaklings who always needed American help and their women as being prostitutes (i guess it was a part of the motivation propaganda in the American armed forces or something).

Rape during the liberation of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

D-Day GI's 'Raped And Killed Their French Allies While US Army Generals Turned A Blind Eye'

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/books/rape-by-american-soldiers-in-world-war-ii-france.html?_r=0

'Bandits In Uniform': The Dark Side Of GI's In Liberated France - Spiegel Online


Of course, this was in "liberated" France alone, France which was an American ally, could you imagine what American troops did in occupied and defeated Germany??

 

[Penguin]

@Penguin Speaking of Terror Bombings, Britain sure leaves Germany in the dust when it comes to bombing civilians, even those of her Allies

There is no denying that eventually the Brits were far more proficient at bombing area targets than the Germans. Due not in the last place to Germany loosing control of its own skies. From 1942 onward, the British bombing campaign against Germany became less restrictive and increasingly targeted industrial sites and eventually, civilian areas.

[Did you know that carpet bombing French cities and towns was also considered a strategic objective of America and Britain during the war??

I'm not surprised, since industies of occupied countries were pressed into service for the German war effort. German-occupied France contained a number of important targets that attracted the attention of the British, and later American bombing.

Before 1944, the Allies bombed targets in France that were part of the German war industry. This included raids such as those on the Renault factory in Boulogne-Billancourt in March 1942 or the port facilities of Nantes in September 1943 (which killed 1,500 civilians). In preparation of Allied landings in Normandy and those in the south of France, French infrastructure (mainly rail transport) was intensively targeted by RAF and USAAF in May and June 1944. Despite intelligence provided by the French Resistance, many residential areas were hit in error or lack of accuracy. This included cities like Marseille (2,000 dead), Lyon (1,000 dead), Saint-Étienne, Rouen, Orléans, Grenoble, Nice, Paris surrounds, and so on. The Free French Air Force, operational since 1941, used to opt for the more risky skimming tactic when operating in national territory, to avoid civilian casualties. In 5 January 1945, British bombers struck the "Atlantic pocket" of Royan and destroyed 85% of this city. A later raid, using napalm was carried out before it was freed from Nazi occupation in April. Of the 3,000 civilians left in the city, 442 died.
French civilian casualties due to Allied strategic bombing are estimated at about half of the 67,000 French civilian dead during Allied operations in 1942–1945; the other part being mostly killed during tactical bombing in the Normandy campaign. 22% of the bombs dropped in Europe by British and American air forces between 1940 and 1945 were in France. The port city of Le Havre had been destroyed by 132 bombings during the war (5,000 dead) until September 1944. It has been rebuilt by architect Auguste Perret and is now a World Heritage Site.

Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even the Free French themselves bombed France, if using different methods.

[Interesting fact for you, the Luftwaffe not once carried out a massive aerial bombing campaign over any French city during the Battle for France.

On 3 September 1939, following the German invasion of Poland, the United Kingdom and France declared war on Germany and the war in the West began.
...
German bombing of France began on the night of 9/10 May 1940. By 11 May, the French reported bombs dropped on Henin-Lietard, Bruay, Lens, La Fere, Loan, Nancy, Colmar, Pontoise, Lambersart, Lyons, Bouai, Hasebrouck, Doullens and Abbeville with at least 40 civilians killed.
...
On the night of 7/8 June 1940 a single French Navy Farman F.223 bomber attacked Berlin. The attack occurred just days after Germany had bombed Paris

Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there was bombing of French cities. It likely never came to massed bombings due to the quickness of the collaps of France; there was no moral or will to resist that needed to be broken. Unlike e.g. the situation in the Netherlands.

"the allies’ unexpectedly sudden collapse in France in 1940"
"Two things above all ensured that all the early attempts at strategic bombing (whether by the Germans, the British or the hopelessly ill-equipped Italians) were far less effective than anyone had expected.
The first was the near impossibility, given the technology then available, of landing a meaningful concentration of bombs near any target other than a large city; in 1941 only one in ten Royal Air Force (RAF) bombers got within five miles of their targets in the Ruhr valley.":
http://www.economist.com/news/books...ampaign-europe-during-second-world-war-costly
That sums it up nicely.

On the other hand France's "allies" Britain and America dropped tons of incendiaries on French cities and towns murdering thousands of French civilians and destroying thousands of homes and historical architecture.

More French civilians were killed by American and British bombers than by the Germans.

Allied Bombing of France during World War II - Wikipedia

Yes, it would seem logical that this is the case. It was no doubt conducted with the ok of the Free French government in exile, whose military also flew missions over France. And?

Here too, I refer to The Economist but now because it summarizes very well how one should view the policies set forth by Harris. What is still surprising, in retrospect, is how successful combatant air forces were in commanding valuable resources while their achievements (i.e. effectiveness) were so hard to quantify.

See this article from that propaganda journal The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/news/books...ampaign-europe-during-second-world-war-costly

Did you also know that American GI's raped thousands of French women when they landed in France and took it over from the Germans?

Pillaging and raping French civilians was in fact common amongst American GI's since there was a widespread view of the French as being weaklings who always needed American help and their women as being prostitutes (i guess it was a part of the motivation propaganda in the American armed forces or something).

Rape during the liberation of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

D-Day GI's 'Raped And Killed Their French Allies While US Army Generals Turned A Blind Eye'

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/books/rape-by-american-soldiers-in-world-war-ii-france.html?_r=0

'Bandits In Uniform': The Dark Side Of GI's In Liberated France - Spiegel Online

Of course, this was in "liberated" France alone, France which was an American ally, could you imagine what American troops did in occupied and defeated Germany??

So? What is your point?

You can't win a war without attacking the enemy where it hurts. The people in occupied countries took it on the chin from allies if necessary, in my own country too. Bitter, but that's the reality of war. In any war, peacetime morals and restraints go out the window for some (but not all). That does not make it policy or organized however.

 

[Desert Fox]

There is no denying that eventually the Brits were far more proficient at bombing area targets than the Germans. Due not in the last place to Germany loosing control of its own skies. From 1942 onward, the British bombing campaign against Germany became less restrictive and increasingly targeted industrial sites and eventually, civilian areas.


I'm not surprised, since industies of occupied countries were pressed into service for the German war effort. German-occupied France contained a number of important targets that attracted the attention of the British, and later American bombing.


Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even the Free French themselves bombed France, if using different methods.




Strategic bombing during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So there was bombing of French cities. It likely never came to massed bombings due to the quickness of the collaps of France; there was no moral or will to resist that needed to be broken. Unlike e.g. the situation in the Netherlands.

"the allies’ unexpectedly sudden collapse in France in 1940"
"Two things above all ensured that all the early attempts at strategic bombing (whether by the Germans, the British or the hopelessly ill-equipped Italians) were far less effective than anyone had expected.
The first was the near impossibility, given the technology then available, of landing a meaningful concentration of bombs near any target other than a large city; in 1941 only one in ten Royal Air Force (RAF) bombers got within five miles of their targets in the Ruhr valley.":
http://www.economist.com/news/books...ampaign-europe-during-second-world-war-costly
That sums it up nicely.



Yes, it would seem logical that this is the case. It was no doubt conducted with the ok of the Free French government in exile, whose military also flew missions over France. And?

Here too, I refer to The Economist but now because it summarizes very well how one should view the policies set forth by Harris. What is still surprising, in retrospect, is how successful combatant air forces were in commanding valuable resources while their achievements (i.e. effectiveness) were so hard to quantify.

See this article from that propaganda journal The Economist.
http://www.economist.com/news/books...ampaign-europe-during-second-world-war-costly


So? What is your point?

You can't win a war without attacking the enemy where it hurts. The people in occupied countries took it on the chin from allies if necessary, in my own country too. Bitter, but that's the reality of war. In any war, peacetime morals and restraints go out the window for some (but not all). That does not make it policy or organized however.

So the Germans killed 40 French civilians while France was Germany's enemy but British and Americans killed more than 46,000 French civilians.

So? What is your point?

You can't win a war without attacking the enemy where it hurts. The people in occupied countries took it on the chin from allies if necessary, in my own country too. Bitter, but that's the reality of war. In any war, peacetime morals and restraints go out the window for some (but not all). That does not make it policy or organized however.

Hmm, tell that to the millions of indians who lost relatives in the Bengal Famine in 1943 due to Winston Churchill's policy of taking their crops and livestock and diverting it towards Britains war effort:

Churchill's Shameful Role in the Bengal Famine- Time Magazine

Bengal Famine Of 1943 - A Man-Made Holocaust

How Churchill Deliberately Starved To Death Four Million People During The Bengal Famine


The Bengal Famine of 1943, how 4 million Indians perished

 

[Penguin]

So the Germans killed 40 French civilians while France was Germany's enemy but British and Americans killed more than 46,000 French civilians.

Yes, at least 40. Do you have a problem with that? Because we here in Europe don't. With which you are incidentally comparing the period May-June 1940 (2 months) of France's collaps, to all the rest of the war through May 1945 (59 months), which includes improvements in technology, bombcarrying capability, number of aircraft, as well as policy change (40% of the UK war budget went into strategic bombers and bombing). And which includes the Allied landings and ground campaigns in Western and Southerns Europe up to the German surrender.

Hmm, tell that to the millions of indians who lost relatives in the Gengal Famine in 1943 due to Winston Churchill's policy of taking their crops and livestock and diverting it towards Britains war effort:

Churchill's Shameful Role in the Bengal Famine- Time Magazine

Bengal Famine Of 1943 - A Man-Made Holocaust

How Churchill Deliberately Starved To Death Four Million People During The Bengal Famine

The Bengal Famine of 1943, how 4 million Indians perished

No I won't. We were discussing how Germans compare to the other Europeans in their mutual warfare (that's how we got to strategic bombing).

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes, at least 40. Do you have a problem with that? Because we here in Europe don't.

No, i don't have problems as im not the one crying about Germans cramming 80+ people into train cars or bringing up German bombings of cities. I'm merely countering what you're stating.

the rest of the war through May 1945 (59 months), which includes improvements in technology, bombcarrying capability, number of aircraft, as well as policy change (40% of the UK war budget went into strategic bombers and bombing).

Don't forget to include starving 4 million indians to death in your list as well.

No I won't. We were discussing how Germans compare to the other Europeans in their mutual warfare (that's how we got to strategic bombing).

You're initial convo with me wasn't on strategic bombing but rather on Germans cramming 80+ people in train wagons and how that made them evil.

Churchill's Shameful Role in the Bengal Famine- Time Magazine

Bengal Famine Of 1943 - A Man-Made Holocaust

How Churchill Deliberately Starved To Death Four Million People During The Bengal Famine

The Bengal Famine of 1943, how 4 million Indians perished

 

[Penguin]

No, i don't have problems as im not the one crying about Germans cramming 80+ people into train cars or bringing up German bombings of cities. I'm merely countering what you're stating.

No, you're not countering that 80+ people get crammed into cattle cars and 50 such cars making up a typical death camp train, which would travel for days, often without sustenance or water or toilet facilities in summer heat. You are merely trying to offset one wrong with another (which incidentally implies you've accepted the holocaust as fact)

Don't forget to include starving 4 million indians to death in your list as well.

What makes you think I forget them? It is just that that particular statistic is not currently relevant to the topic.

You're initial convo with me wasn't on strategic bombing but rather on Germans cramming 80+ people in train wagons and how that made them evil.

That could be just one of a range of possible examples. Are you suggesting it doesn't make them evil i.e. that this is normal behaviour?

Churchill's Shameful Role in the Bengal Famine- Time Magazine

Bengal Famine Of 1943 - A Man-Made Holocaust

How Churchill Deliberately Starved To Death Four Million People During The Bengal Famine

The Bengal Famine of 1943, how 4 million Indians perished

You can repeat those links 100x, I am not going to pay attention to them in this thread.
But here are some addition ones from the same period:

1940–1945 Famine in Warsaw Ghetto, as well as other ghettos and concentration camps (note: this famine was the result of deliberate denial of food to ghetto residents on the part of Nazis). Occupied Poland

1941–44 Leningrad famine caused by a 900-day blockade by German troops. About one million Leningrad residents starved, froze, or were bombed to death in the winter of 1941–42, when supply routes to the city were cut off and temperatures dropped to −40 °C (−40 °F).Russia : 1 MILLION

1941–1944 Famine in Greece caused by the Axis occupation. Greece 300,000

1942-43 Chinese famine of 1942–43 The famine occurred within the context of the Second Sino-Japanese War and resulted from a combination of natural and man-made factors. 2 to 3 million people died of starvation or disease and upwards of 4 million fled Henan, China

1943 Famine in Ruanda-Urundi, causing migrations to the Congo Rwanda and Burundi (present day)
1944 Rwanda famine of 1944
The famine is considered to have begun in October 1943 and ended in December 1944.
The principal cause of the famine was several prolonged period of drought in the region in early 1943. However, the problem was exacerbated by attempts of the colonial authorities to send agricultural produce to the Belgian Congo, as part of the Allied war effort 36000-50000

1944 Dutch famine of 1944 during World War II Netherlands 20,000
famine that took place in the German-occupied part of the Netherlands, especially in the densely populated western provinces above the great rivers, during the winter of 1944–1945, near the end of World War II. A German blockade cut off food and fuel shipments from farm areas. Some 4.5 million (= half the population) were affected and survived because of soup kitchens.

1944-45 Japanese occupied Java during World War II Indonesia 2.4 million
A later United Nations report stated that four million people died in Indonesia as a result of famine and forced labour during the Japanese occupation, including 30,000 European civilian internee deathsAbout 2.4 million people died in Java from famine during 1944–45.

1945 Vietnamese Famine of 1945 Vietnam occurred in northern Vietnam from October 1944 to May 1945, during the Japanese occupation of French Indochina in World War II. There were many causes of this famine. The direct cause was the effects of World War II on French Indochina. Dysfunctional colonial administration by France as well as Japan, the effect of war on transport and agriculture as well as natural causes including natural disasters such as droughts and floods destroying northern crops.400,000–2 million

 

[Indian Patriot]

Right.

You do recall that Italy also had a fascist dictatorship (Mussolini), and so did Spain (Franco) as well as Portugal (Salazar)? In Austria before the Anschluss you had Englebert Dollfuss. In fact, in those days, no European country-the Soviet Union obviously excepted- was without a form of fascist party, its members bedecked in uniforms, its "leader" promising strong-handed rule. Outside of Germany and Italy, the most successful of these fascist regimes was that introduced by Francisco Franco in Spain. Even the large democratic states witnessed the rise of fascist groups within their midst. More nuisances than threats, these organizations nonetheless demonstrated the yearning felt by many citizens for authoritarian government. In Great Britain there was the "British Union of Fascists"; in France e.g. Action Française; in the United States there was a Long Island-based group calling themselves the "Silver Shirts." All of these dictatorial parties and regimes were primarily expressions of political discontent with economic conditions, as well as responses to the confusing complexity of modern existence. Fascism also wasn't limited to Europe. See List of Fascist movements - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do also recall it was Germany that militarily occupied Austria (March 1938), militarily invaded what remained of Czechoslovakia (march 1939), Poland (september 1939), Denmark and Norway (April 1940), The Netherlands, Belgium Luxemburg and France (may 1940), Yugoslavia and Greece (April 1941) and the Soviet Union (June 1941). With the invasion of the Soviet Union, which also held part of Poland, Germany conquered a huge area, including the Baltic republics, Belarus, and West Ukraine. On 11 december 1941, 4 days after the Pearl Harbor attack, Nazi-Germany declared war on the US (and not vice-versa).

Or is all this just propaganda, exaggeration, 'never happened' too? After all, I'm a European and cannot look at the history of my own part of the world without (victors' or colonialist) bias.

I hope you realize you have just disqualified yourself as unbiased regarding my part of the world ("the rest of the world hates europeans for their colonial past").

Yet again you quote the allied version of history which is biased and divorced from reality.

And of course you don't have any credibility my friend. Your comments are obvious that you are guided by your personal hate of Germany. You mock the terror bombings carried out against Germans, you call Katyn massacre a B.S., you ignore allied war crimes and even call links as fake and stuff. You want to put every modern age blame on Germany while excusing the allied war crimes and colonial history. As far as I know Bismarc did not put a gun on Holland and forced the innocent, peace-loving dutch to do slave trade.

All your comments and posts against Germany are propaganda.

I will give you a very fresh and glaring example of propaganda. I am sure you must have heard about Osama Bin Laden and how a team of brave US special forces took him out? Recent leaks reveal that the raid never even took place, that OBL was a Pakistani prisoner and was betrayed for 25 million dollars.

So which account will be recorded in history?

In the same way the allies twisted and manipulated facts to make them look good while painting the nazis as demons from hell. When in reality it was the allies who committed war time atrocities.

No, you're not countering that 80+ people get crammed into cattle cars and 50 such cars making up a typical death camp train, which would travel for days, often without sustenance or water or toilet facilities in summer heat. You are merely trying to offset one wrong with another (which incidentally implies you've accepted the holocaust as fact)

That is the most outright lie ever said.

The living conditions in the so called "concentration camps" were nothing as portrayed in hollywood movies. The camps were clean and hygenic, it has been noted by prisoners themselves that they were ordered and tasked with keeping the barracks clean and tidy. It was only in 1944-45 that due to severe bombing that supplies could not be reached.

There were many facilities provided to jews. The living condition of jews was no worse that the living condition of Japanese in US concentration camps in mainland America.

Tell me one thing Penguin. If concentration camps were so bad then why were jews appointed as guards. Have you ever come across the word Kapo? If not then you better do a quick google search.

There was no such thing called death camp and 80+ people were never crammed inside a car. That is propaganda. The nazis needed the jews as slave labour just like allies needed colonies as slave labor. The nazis could have killed the jews in their native countries itself instead of transporting them so far, housing them in barracks and then killing them off. Makes no sense at all.

And oh, anti-semitisim was not invented by the nazis either. Your beolved hero england too have their hands full with anti-semitism.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Wrong, instead on shedding responsibility, they fully acknowledge the mistakes of the past generations and made it the base of their actions on the international stage, they realized the mistakes in the past constitution (which made it possible for Hitler to become a dictator), they made the ideals of democracy and freedom the very founding stones of their new nation etc etc etc

And the reason why there was no resistance after the war was because they were quite happy to be free of Hitler and the other maniacs.. and not all Germans were nazis... Infact a huge proportion of them were against the lunatics running their nation. Ever heard of the tens of thousands of Germans who were butchered by their government for raising their voices?

Blind and brainless nationalism is not less dangerous than religious fundamentalism. Germans have realized this.

No. I don't see it this way. The best German blood died in the war. Ideals of democracy was not what allowed them to live. It was opportunism. It is a gift and I have no issue with that. But look at this.

The folks here are thanking Sir Bomber Harris for bombing the $hit out of them.

Also the shirking responsibility is a very real thing. German grandparents did not talk about their experiences. The ladies(those raped) also kept silent. This is a documented fact. The Germans have accepted bad things happened, but somehow...they were victims!

I don't have much sympathy here for them, so if you think I am defending patriotic Germans...well, I am not. Most Germans had positive opinion about the Nazis. Even after the war. In the British zone in 1946 52% rated the Nazis favorable with certain exceptions. They followed Hitler as long as they were getting the goodies(French and Polish orderlies, cheap Ukrainian livestock, French cognac, etc). When things went sour the anti Hitler coalition (Goerdeler, Kluge, Canaris, Stulpnagel, Stauffenberg) were not exactly the harbingers of democracy or nice gentlemen as movies show them to be. They were racists, imperialists and fine with being the master of Europe. Just that they did not want a corporal Hitler losing the war and a stop to the war in the West. They all agreed that Poland would remain under German boots as would other Eastern nations and the war against the SU would continue!

Many Nazis were idiots, even lunatics. But the Goerdeler gang was absolutely nuts.

 

[Indian Patriot]

The folks here are thanking Sir Bomber Harris for bombing the $hit out of them.

They are being bitter and sarcastic. You think any German would dare file a lawsuit?

The reason the two females are standing topless and saying "thank you" is a obvious sign they are protesting against bomber harris. Good to see that not all Germans are defeated and brainwashed by constant allied propaganda machinery.

Many Nazis were idiots, even lunatics. But the Goerdeler gang was absolutely nuts.

And what was so evil about the Nazis?

Yes they fought a war and killed people, something the colonials had been doing for centuries. I find it very interesting that people have absolutely no problem with colonials enslaving, selling slaves, killing and looting native colonies for decades but the moment a nazi does that then liberals go bonkers.

Why is the life of a jew more valuable than the life of the colonised people or the innocent germans killed at the hands of allies?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

They are being bitter and sarcastic. You think any German would dare file a lawsuit?

The reason the two females are standing topless and saying "thank you" is a obvious sign they are protesting against bomber harris. Good to see that not all Germans are defeated and brainwashed by constant allied propaganda machinery.



And what was so evil about the Nazis?

Yes they fought a war and killed people, something the colonials had been doing for centuries. I find it very interesting that people have absolutely no problem with colonials enslaving, selling slaves, killing and looting native colonies for decades but the moment a nazi does that then liberals go bonkers.

Why is the life of a jew more valuable than the life of the colonised people or the innocent germans killed at the hands of allies?

No. Nazis were disgusting because they fought two wars. One against countries. The other against the Jews. Unacceptable is the latter. This is my opinion. And I have read Nazi ideologues.

They are being bitter and sarcastic. You think any German would dare file a lawsuit?

The reason the two females are standing topless and saying "thank you" is a obvious sign they are protesting against bomber harris. Good to see that not all Germans are defeated and brainwashed by constant allied propaganda machinery.



And what was so evil about the Nazis?

Yes they fought a war and killed people, something the colonials had been doing for centuries. I find it very interesting that people have absolutely no problem with colonials enslaving, selling slaves, killing and looting native colonies for decades but the moment a nazi does that then liberals go bonkers.

Why is the life of a jew more valuable than the life of the colonised people or the innocent germans killed at the hands of allies?

They are not being sarcastic. There was a rally against Harris. Antifa(its an org) set out a rally opposing it and praising Harris.