General Raheel Sharif gave Pakistan New policy

[ice_man]

though i can understand that the thread is about General Raheel Sharif, then between the lines was this point of yours that i disagree:
Gen Kayani was the man with Silence, even Americans were afraid of his silence, if you read "The Way of knife" by 'Mark Mazzetti' , he writes a brief note on military career of Gen sb.....forget about the book, read this post from our very own forum:

Kayani: "Next time we'll bring it down"
hence it would be wrong to say such about him, the time he had spent with us were tough times, he had a complete different task at hand..... reviving the perception of Military as Protectors rather than dictators and stooges of America.....remember during 2002-2007, it got down to the point that families refused to bury their martyred sons

Yes the silent man that slept through his tenure while:

Bin Laden raid happened

Mehran Airbase happened

Kamra attack happened

multiple bombings in our cities happened

he was spineless to even fight back Sir. He couldn't mold a national consensus on terrorism.

Please do let me know what did he actually do in terms of achievements?

 

[Amaa'n]

Yes the silent man that slept through his tenure while:

Bin Laden raid happened

Mehran Airbase happened

Kamra attack happened

multiple bombings in our cities happened

he was spineless to even fight back Sir. He couldn't mold a national consensus on terrorism.

Please do let me know what did he actually do in terms of achievements?

all four issues related above are Tactical oor operational issues, what Kayani focused on was strategic issues - the biggest one being keeping the Military away from Politics......Your ISI was effective as it was back then, teams fought everyday to gather up the intelligence, pile up the files......
How would you have fought the war when your people were still recovering from 'Genocide' by Lal Masjid at the hands of 'Murtad Fauj'??
how would you even ask Govt to support for the war when it was you who was at war everyday, being blamed for the actions of your former chief???
if he was as incompetent as you speak, then Pakistan would have been looooonnngggg gone

 

[Super Falcon]

That's the main problem with ordinary citizens, tomorrow if next COAS will expose something new about PMLN then you will blame on Gen. Raheel that he did nothing when Nawaz Sharif established its industry abroad with Pakistani tax payer money......Don't forget that Military is giving strange clean waiver to PMLN currently.

Now come to some level of maturity; Army is an institution under civilian order, army needs civilian/political government support for its plans, strategies, operations etc. so targeting government party while seeking political support not good combination in over all interest of the state.

I think you get some food for thinking.
Let me know if still doesn't work.

Dont worry he will shift to plm n after ppp and mqm

And atleast he is doing which we can feel

Remember memo gate scandel what kiyani did let traitor haqqani go and zardari was in dubai when he return he did nothing he could have done some justice to traitors

Yes the silent man that slept through his tenure while:

Bin Laden raid happened

Mehran Airbase happened

Kamra attack happened

multiple bombings in our cities happened

he was spineless to even fight back Sir. He couldn't mold a national consensus on terrorism.

Please do let me know what did he actually do in terms of achievements?

Agreed with all

He was waitting for attacks

Raheel did brought agression rather we wait for attacks to happen we go kill these basterds

What kiyani did memo gate remember zardari transfering money to dubai he was slepping

Yes he was under him but it dosent mean that if zardari looting nattional money and using presidential house for sex parties he dont do anything

How raheel sgarif under nawaz govt doing everything by following constitution

He could have done it

He was busy on US visits and take dictation

Kiyani took his military education from US he followec their orders

Sharif never went to USA for military course he went to german bundesweher

This is major difference

Raheel sharif is man of steel who ever come in way get destroyed

First musharaf ruined the country by bringing world over agencies to work in pak under banner of CIA

shamsi base israeli working in pak soil he was sleeping saving his ***

Raymond davis like guys given free hand

MQM funded by india he gave power to destroy khi and they did

Kayani was silent

Last two COAS were dumb ruined the country

Raheel sharif doing which no one can

 

[faisal6309]

Islam say out of every difficulty comes ease.

Zardari & CO were our difficulty our lowest point.

and then finally Allahmdulillah Allah brought Raheel Shareef. a PROFESSIONAL SOLDIER.

Raheel Shareef with Nawaz Shareef

 

[WishLivePak]

People are too much of short memories, new one's "Dugdugi" is entertaining them while forgetting old one's.
Gen. Kayani has did lot of work in securing Pakistan's sovereignty which is hidden from Pakistanis. We should respect his work.

Just about 14 more months.

People celebrate mushy. Some celebrate kayani, many celebrate raheel. Why? Because of no trust in civilians. So they look at COAS, who do not stay longer than 3-6 years.

Raheel won't ask for extension neither should be given one, but wait for bunch of people to say "namaz repeating 90s! Refusing raheel extension, how bad, anti Pakistan."

Already some forum member saying raheel will force namaz into giving him extension and raheel is responsible for making nawaz work.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

He needs an extension. No COAS has been more daring and efficient than him.

 

[dilpakistani]

Exactly , they systematically dismantle all the democratic institutions and then wonder why democracy failed in pakistan.

Well actually this is an illusion here that Army is running the country ... which is not right ... Army is taking bold steps indeed but it had been given constitutional responsibility under some extra ordinary circumstances to take extra ordinary steps... It is totally supported and guarded by civilian government...

False bravado and peoples orgasm. I like it.

Yea right and what indian goons in parliament are "Saying" is real act of heroism... they are also just using their mouth and nothing else... Shareef just reiterate the fact that Indians don't have balls to do anything ....

 

[Pakistanisage]

well, can you blame them? Pak military cannot let any democratic institution to build strength lest they ask the army how come for all the money and the bluster, they have won a single war. It is far easier to just go bomb the tribals while letting the jihadi nutjobs take cover in Afghanistan, then claim zarb is victorious.

Exactly , they systematically dismantle all the democratic institutions and then wonder why democracy failed in pakistan.

Democracy does NOT require that the dictates and preferences of your enemy country be followed.

Democracy means the will of the Citizens be implemented.

If majority of Pakistani People trust and honour their Military , then that is democracy in action.

So the Indians are kindly requested to generously apply BURNOL ointment on the affected part of their anatomy and leave Pakistani people alone.

 

[cmpk1]

I don't think people, army officers in particular, liked Gen Kiyani once he was given an extension. So those of you who are saying that people started to dislike him once he retired are wrong.

He continued Gen Musharaf's policies, since he was one of the important member of his team. He was also involved in the deal between Benazir & Musharaf, hence why we saw zero action against PPP.

It is our media which sticks to COAS as long as he's in power, then once they're gone they start criticising them. Our Media hardly represents genuine public opinion, so, most of you are wrong in your analogy that we Pakistanis say this for every COAS.

Gen Raheel is opposite to both of these 2 previous COAS. from an army family which has 2 Nishan-e-haider & also reworked Pakistan army's infantry manual! he wouldn't compromise at any cost. as for PMLN, their time will also come, be patient.

 

[I S I]

@Oscar
Can you please remove butthurt comments of bhartis? They don't have a say in this matter nor we need one.

Thanks.

 

[unleashed]

Kayani has did lot of work in securing Pakistan's sovereignty

And what makes you think that ??
He ruined the country along with his soul mate Zardari, His tenure (2007-13) was nothing but downfall and disaster for Pakistan.

 

[ice_man]

all four issues related above are Tactical oor operational issues, what Kayani focused on was strategic issues - the biggest one being keeping the Military away from Politics......Your ISI was effective as it was back then, teams fought everyday to gather up the intelligence, pile up the files......
How would you have fought the war when your people were still recovering from 'Genocide' by Lal Masjid at the hands of 'Murtad Fauj'??
how would you even ask Govt to support for the war when it was you who was at war everyday, being blamed for the actions of your former chief???
if he was as incompetent as you speak, then Pakistan would have been looooonnngggg gone

For the sake of argument i accept that he was focused on strategic issues. But our nation LOVES IT'S ARMY.

regardless of the Zias and the Yahyas

Defending our bases and our countrymen be it tactical or strategic it is the responsibility of the men with 4 stars.


If he had just contained the daily bombings of civilians or the tactical aspect as you called the attacks on our bases where billion of dollars worth of equipment was destroyed. He would have walked away a HERO.

Rather he chose to be as the Americans called him "SILENT" on everything. He was sleep at the steering wheel! a good 5 years and countless lives and billions of dollars (not only due to corruption) were lost. Our national image plummeted. Our national moral plummeted.

 

[Post Colonnial]

Democracy does NOT require that the dictates and preferences of your enemy country be followed.

Democracy means the will of the Citizens be implemented.

If majority of Pakistani People trust and honour their Military , then that is democracy in action.

So the Indians are kindly requested to generously apply BURNOL ointment on the affected part of their anatomy and leave Pakistani people alone.

The will of the citizens are made known through elections. Pakistani citizens elected Nawas Sherief and co. Yet Raheel Sherief and his merry band of generals think nothing of countermanding the decisions of the elected government. The army has taken over government so much so that it is being referred to as the bloodless coup of Pakistan.

And this is nothing new - there has been a history of ISI and the COAS simply grabbing power and becoming the ultimate authority - ex: the openly acted drama of the ISI chief being sent to India by the PM being countermanded by the army.

And that is the whole point: if your Raheel Sherief and co allow the elected government and democratic institutions to really take root, they will then be asked about why the Pakistani military, in spite of eating 25%+ of national economy, cannot win a single war, has brought the sordid episodes of outright surrenders, has amasses wealth for its generals and controls businesses and land holdings that have nothing to do with its mission of defending the nation.

What honor are you talking about? There is no honor when your army surrendered with 90k soldiers left in enemy hands; no honor when your army did not even want to take back the bodies of your soldiers because if they take back all the bodies they will have to admit that they lied about casualties and losses in Kargil;

no honor when they bring the title of 'nation of liars' to Pakistan by shielding terorrists such as osama bin laden in the army garrison town even while taking money from foreign countries for searching for him
- imagine how shameless it is that your army took money to look for terrorists in your own country!
- and then they lied about it and shielded the terrorists
- and then they got caught and a foreign team could fly in, catch the criminal and return without being accosted

some military!

 

[ice_man]

The will of the citizens are made known through elections. Pakistani citizens elected Nawas Sherief and co. Yet Raheel Sherief and his merry band of generals think nothing of countermanding the decisions of the elected government. The army has taken over government so much so that it is being referred to as the bloodless coup of Pakistan.

And this is nothing new - there has been a history of ISI and the COAS simply grabbing power and becoming the ultimate authority - ex: the openly acted drama of the ISI chief being sent to India by the PM being countermanded by the army.

And that is the whole point: if your Raheel Sherief and co allow the elected government and democratic institutions to really take root, they will then be asked about why the Pakistani military, in spite of eating 25%+ of national economy, cannot win a single war, has brought the sordid episodes of outright surrenders, has amasses wealth for its generals and controls businesses and land holdings that have nothing to do with its mission of defending the nation.

a good thread destroyed by you trolling

but just one point for you there is no coup in Pakistan.

NO FURTHER COUPS will happen.

however, for your satisfaction i will tell you our political leadership is inefficient. Or has been inefficient things are changing. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT US.

 

[Post Colonnial]

a good thread destroyed by you trolling

but just one point for you there is no coup in Pakistan.

NO FURTHER COUPS will happen.

however, for your satisfaction i will tell you our political leadership is inefficient. Or has been inefficient things are changing. YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT US.

I only responded to correct the erroneous comment by @Pakistanisage . He was trying to make it out as if Pakistan follows democracy - not realizing that the very title of this thread shows it is not democracy. In which democracy does a military dictate national policy?