General Pervaiz Musharraf's Last Message to Imran Khan just before his death!

[Goenitz]

@The Accountant @PanzerKiel @HRK @waz @PanzerKiel
Besides Gen Zubair's scuffle.
Gen Bajwa another gem

 

[Ssan]

If IK was a true believer in his own preaching - then he would not forgive himself for Buzdar as he refuses to forgive the corrupt houses of Sharif and Zardari

Buzdar’s corruption was giving positions to his family - his corruption was nepotism. There is no equivalence to be drawn between that and Sharif or Zardari. Doing so is a red herring.

Buzdars corruption is fixed by implementing merit based systems in all public positions. Sharifs and Zardaris corruption is fixed by jailing them and taking back all the corruption money.

 

[blain2]

@The Accountant @PanzerKiel @HRK @waz @PanzerKiel
Besides Gen Zubair's scuffle.
Gen Bajwa another gem

What are you referring to?

 

[SQ8]

Buzdar’s corruption was giving positions to his family - his corruption was nepotism. There is no equivalence to be drawn between that and Sharif or Zardari. Doing so is a red herring.

Buzdars corruption is fixed by implementing merit based systems in all public positions. Sharifs and Zardaris corruption is fixed by jailing them and taking back all the corruption money.

which IK did not do because he never removed Buzdar. Corruption is corruption - calling nepotism a lower form because it doesn’t involve money(of which we know of in this case) is stating its ok to cheat in an exam but not ok to steal cash.

 

[blain2]

Buzdar’s corruption was giving positions to his family - his corruption was nepotism. There is no equivalence to be drawn between that and Sharif or Zardari. Doing so is a red herring.

Buzdars corruption is fixed by implementing merit based systems in all public positions. Sharifs and Zardaris corruption is fixed by jailing them and taking back all the corruption money.

How do we know that Buzdar's nepotism did not lead to financial irregularities by his kin?

With all the bakvas that ails our nation, I have arrived at the conclusion that corruption is a part of life in Pakistan as it is in the rest of 3rd world. It will only get cleaned up iteratively. Pragmatically speaking, if these chorr siphon 20% into their pockets, hopefully the remaining 80% would go into uplift of the masses.

Disclaimer: Before people attack me personally, Alhamdolillah I have personally never benefited from any type of financial corruption in Pakistan or elsewhere and the reason I state this disclaimer is so people don't think I am condoning something that I have personally benefitted from. Patently not the case.

 

[Goenitz]

What are you referring to?

WAj saying something about the range of missiles.
The previous reference was that gen Zubair said on 27 Feb meeting that how come India dared to attack Pakistan. Someone must have 'betrayed'.

Becasue any misadventure could escalate to the nuclear threshold. So, unless there was a guarantee by Bajwa or so to the US, India couldn't have done 26th Feb.

 

[blain2]

WAj saying something about the range of missiles.
The previous reference was that gen Zubair said on 27 Feb meeting that how come India dared to attack Pakistan. Someone must have 'betrayed'.

Becasue any misadventure could escalate to the nuclear threshold. So, unless there was a guarantee by Bajwa or so to the US, India couldn't have done 26th Feb.

Yara, khuda ka wasta. Don't let such nonsense perpetuate.

There is not one officer in uniform worth his salt who would sit and let Indians do what they tried to do on Feb 26th without a response. This is not even up for debate.

Just like no amount of bribing worked during the 1999 nuclear tests, and just like our response to Feb 26th was +1, for as long as we give our armed forces the capability, they will respond, the US and India be damned. As they say, "Yeh likh lo".

The debate was not about letting things slide, rather how the Indians entered (this has been discussed by professionals and amateurs alike to death*), and also what the quantum of our response should be. A response had become farz-e-laazim the moment Indians crossed over.

* AVM Shehzad Chaudhry explained this conundrum very clearly stating that both PAF and IAF "at will" can cross over to the other side. The deterrence is in the response and the escalatory rungs from there on out.

 

[Goenitz]

I have arrived at the conclusion that corruption is a part of life in Pakistan as it is in the rest of 3rd world. It will only get cleaned up iteratively. Pragmatically speaking, if these chorr siphon 20% into their pockets,

IK himself said that some corruption is manageable, but not of politicians and legal/constitutional bodies. In addition, surveillance/policing of everyone is not possible. One can digitise to eliminate the chances, and IK suggested that FBR and EVM.

Anyway, unlike common belief, buzdar was the outcome of PTI internal struggle. SMQ was the choice but JKT group was opposing that and also PMLQ was against JKT group.

Before people attack me personally, Alhamdolillah I have personally never benefited from any type of financial corruption in Pakistan

I think in my family, uncle, etc.. no one did a major corruption to my knowledge. Just one house after all life's toil. Nor I have done, infact no cheating in exam.

 

[TheSolution]

How do we know that Buzdar's nepotism did not lead to financial irregularities by his kin?

With all the bakvas that ails our nation, I have arrived at the conclusion that corruption is a part of life in Pakistan as it is in the rest of 3rd world. It will only get cleaned up iteratively. Pragmatically speaking, if these chorr siphon 20% into their pockets, hopefully the remaining 80% would go into uplift of the masses.

Disclaimer: Before people attack me personally, Alhamdolillah I have personally never benefited from any type of financial corruption in Pakistan or elsewhere and the reason I state this disclaimer is so people don't think I am condoning something that I have personally benefitted from. Patently not the case.

I honestly believe a very extreme law against corruption should be implemented where people truly fear it.

Like perhaps death penalty or something, because honestly it is stuck deep into our roots and plaguing us, we must yank it out with force.

Any form of corruption at an institutional level by government officials should be a very extreme law. Surrender 90% assets, or perhaps 10 year jail term, death penalty. Something.

 

[Goenitz]

Yara, khuda ka wasta. Don't let such nonsense perpetuate.

So much has happened and many facades have shattered so people can believe that.

But then if someone is financially corrupt, he can do other crimes like killing, hoarding, betrayal etc or Bajwa was playing the double game with the US.

Anyway, as I said before, no one can stop information flow. These doubts must be cleared or conspiracies fill the void.

 

[Strigon]

I honestly believe a very extreme law against corruption should be implemented where people truly fear it.

Like perhaps death penalty or something, because honestly it is stuck deep into our roots and plaguing us, we must yank it out with force.

Any form of corruption at an institutional level by government officials should be a very extreme law. Surrender 90% assets, or perhaps 10 year jail term, death penalty. Something.

Like how it is in Saudi Arab? Its a very dheet qoum, en koo seeda karna bohot mushkil hai.

 

[TheSolution]

Like how it is in Saudi Arab? Its a very dheet qoum, en koo seeda karna bohot mushkil hai.

What does dheet mean?

But anyway, that's my point, when the filth is so deep rooted in society, the only way to push it out is through very extreme measures. We can't use western law here.

My proposal is that anyone involved in any capacity of corruption including nepotism in government institutions should receive one of the following:

- Death penalty.

- 90% assets confiscated by state.

- 10 year jail term.

We can do 2 and 3 both perhaps.

 

[blain2]

Like how it is in Saudi Arab? Its a very dheet qoum, en koo seeda karna bohot mushkil hai.

Do you think financial corruption does not happen in KSA? They would make Pakistan's financial corruption look like a bad joke.

 

[TheSolution]

Do you think financial corruption does not happen in KSA? They would make Pakistan's financial corruption look like a bad joke.

Except they actually get shit done. Unlike Pakistan filled with incompetent leaders and the projects are literally done in the worst possible manner.

It's like the YouTube journalists we discussed.

The outside world has professional credible journalists with non-bias sources.

We have YouTube conspiracy theorists.

Even if the top one does corruption, at least they're doing their primary job properly, meanwhile ours can't even do their job.

That's how you can describe our national governance institutions.

 

[ARMalik]

Do you think financial corruption does not happen in KSA? They would make Pakistan's financial corruption look like a bad joke.

I spent my childhood in Jeddah and so I am in a position to provide first hand knowledge of the Saudi People. Yes there might be some corruption there BUT THE LIFE SYTLE OF THE SAUDI PEOPLE AND THE WELFARE AND BENEFITS PROVIDED TO THEM BY THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT IS THE ENVY OF THE WORLD INCLUDING THE SO CALLED DEVELOPED WESTERN COUNTRIES.

People are law-abiding because the law there is ENFORCED. My father use to leave his car keys inside his car in the middle of Jeddah city.

Saudi Arabia was the only country that I felt like Home, as If I belonged there. If by a miracle the Saudis ever offered me the citizenship there, I will leave everything and go there and live.

Please do not compare a lawless, gutless, corrupt country like Pakistan with a heaven like Saudi Arabia -- it would be a tragedy.