Sir can a pilot make out between Mig 21j and Mig 21FL?
Nope..
Could you spot the difference in a crash site? Or even from Below? Look at the first two images.
Which is which?
![mig21j.jpg](/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fflitetime.net%2Fmig21j.jpg&hash=7ced615e9867d2f70fdbd42b883d6dbe)
![Mig21676-1100x404-white.jpg](/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fgalgot.free.fr%2FMiG%2FMig21676-1100x404-white.jpg&hash=7af9f1dfc4f1f74f3ec0fb032a1e0bc4)
Both the J and Fl look pretty similar if not for the J's extended hump.
![MiG21Variants.jpg](/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi66.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh251%2Fdatokim%2FMiG21Variants.jpg&hash=abc6ab94171b8fbadd7c878b0c31121a)
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Sir can a pilot make out between Mig 21j and Mig 21FL?
No offence, but what would an Engineer know about a pilots capabilities?
Im not here to beat my chest unlike you; highlighting obviously biased statements. What I wanted to point out was that the serial numbers and tail numbers of the PAF aircrafts have been mentioned in that pdf many times.. that means that the information you said is not available to civilians is actually available.. Do you have any which can show us that data from PAF or Chuck, if he was so meticulous in recording the tail numbers and such information?
but your opening post is not battle field data....its a part of one guys autobiography.....where he has to show bias bacause he hd a responsible role in that war and cannot show himself in bad light in his own autobiography...can he?
because that is what you guys are here for.. what other reason would an Indian be here?
curiosity?
I am not trying convince you because i know you will bring back the circular argument once again. I Dont expect a single Indian members to believe Chuck here because they only would if , it was in IAF's favor which is why i said this thread is not aimed at convincing Indians.
You have your own reasons for not believing the arguments presented, up to you. However, its not about whom you started it for, Indians or Pakistanis, you cannot expect a patriotic Indian not to analyse the comments and material presentd and ignore Chucks emotional state.. which was compromised by unknown factors, maybe war adrenaline?
Nothing compared to the crap out posted on by many Indian authors, some the likes of Pran Chopra.
With claims that would make even yeagers exaggeration look minuscule.
Obviously Chuck wouldn't disclose the tail numbers and all other information he was writing about a time in his life that he spent in Pakistan during a war and his observations. If you read the text it is not like he took the information so he can beat his chest later, he specifically stated it was for data analyse or something along the like and he stated he told the pilots of the PAF at the end of the war what they did right and what they didn't.
He stated many times he was there just to observe perhaps he got a little emotionally attached but that does not change the fact that had he even concluded the PAF was decimated it would be justifiable from his own personal deductions. To suggest that this was some kind of face saving conclusion on his part is ludicrous because his legacy is very much secure regardless of how he assesses the outcome of a specific war.
With claims that would make even yeagers exaggeration look minuscule.
Same old Pakistan Vs India Thread. Whatever Pakistanis post is either twisted facts or documented by biased people. Indian's will agree on only those part which goes with their theory...for e.g only the latter part of Chuck Yeager's statement.
"The Pakistanis whipped their [Indians'] a$$es in the sky, but it was the other way around in the ground war."
Chuck Yeager's personal plane was destroyed by Indian Air Force....he hates India for this.
Not that everything he would say is a lie but he would certainly make India look down, this gives him satisfaction about his lost plane.
He is just agitated because his beechcraft was destroyed on ground and he even thought Indira Gandhi ordered IAF to do so.
Imagine if F-16/F-18 was selected for MMRCA and this war happened today A american official will state IAF whipped PAFs a$$
Please don't be so naive, he could not write false information when the world knew What was going on.. People would have jumped at him like crazy...
boo hoo
his plane? did he buy it himself? he was in the warzone at the heart of the conflict. his analysis have nothing to do with the loss of his plane which he just mentions in few liners and moves on
otherwise he would have made a case out of it and dragged Indians right left and centre
Thats a pathetic answer.If India was US ally and Pakistan was soviet ally He would have said otherwise.you think American pilots are as petty as Indian Internet Troll force?
Leave him Sir, He is the most biased mod of pdf.
He went in the field himself, visited crash sites, visited forward bases, met with pilots and watched original cockpit footages himself....and I bet he was not on Pakistani payroll![]()