General Beg demands right for PAF to shoot down ISAF copters, drones

[EagleEyes]

Anyone violating Pakistan air space should be shot down.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Anyone violating Pakistan air space should be shot down.

Bro, this is just a beginning.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

The attack has weaken the liberal Generals and Hawks in the Army which were set aside during the past Government can gain support of the junior officers. A BAD MOVE BY USA.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

The attack has weaken the liberal Generals and Hawks in the Army which were set aside during the past Government can gain support of the junior officers. A BAD MOVE BY USA.

I stated this thing publicly when they did not even dream about it.
Feel the difference?

 

[SparklingCrescent]

NATO

 

[mehboobkz]

NATO helicopter strike on Pakistan shows new strategy of 'hot pursuit'

NATO officers and Afghan politicians have long charged Pakistan, which is receiving $700 million in US military aid this year, with providing haven and occasional support to the Taliban planning attacks inside Afghanistan.

Analysts say the Pakistani blockade is potentially damaging to relations with the United States, but is unlikely to have much impact on NATO operations in Afghanistan.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2010/0930/NATO-helicopter-strike-on-Pakistan-shows-new-strategy-of-hot-pursuit

 

[Chogy]

There must be a solution that is acceptable to all. What do you do when there are twenty armed Taliban in file, who had just attacked a base in Afghanistan, running back into Pakistan? And the nearest Pakistani military unit is 3 hours away, in extreme, rugged terrain? By the time they'd arrive, the insurgents would either disburse, or form a strong defensive outpost that would cost many soldiers' lives to attack.

I absolutely agree that coordination (permission) needs to be better, much better. For the drones - how about having a handful of senior Pakistan officers that have the authority to authorize a strike, working directly in the remote drone control centers?

Decisions need to be made in minutes or even seconds. Whatever system is used, it must happen quickly, and most importantly, there must be a Pakistani officer with the full authority to authorize the shot.

 

[karan.1970]

it will be better if you can look to improve on yurs insted to worring about ours!

i have heared about somthing called RAW working at your side, perhaps the only intelligency with terrorism as a basic subject of course!!

unnluckly for the world, its not a DRDO project otherwise i would have been dead by now

Would have certainly replied if there was any part of your post that was on topic...

 

[mkiyani]

Shair ki ek din ki zindagi Geedar Ki soo saal zindagi se behter hai.. Shoot down any thing which violates our airspace...

Long live pakistan

 

[GUNNER]

There must be a solution that is acceptable to all. What do you do when there are twenty armed Taliban in file, who had just attacked a base in Afghanistan, running back into Pakistan? And the nearest Pakistani military unit is 3 hours away, in extreme, rugged terrain? By the time they'd arrive, the insurgents would either disburse, or form a strong defensive outpost that would cost many soldiers' lives to attack.

I absolutely agree that coordination (permission) needs to be better, much better. For the drones - how about having a handful of senior Pakistan officers that have the authority to authorize a strike, working directly in the remote drone control centers?

Decisions need to be made in minutes or even seconds. Whatever system is used, it must happen quickly, and most importantly, there must be a Pakistani officer with the full authority to authorize the shot.

Having Pakistani officers working at drone control centres could be an option. But i suppose even better would be the option of letting Pakistan have some of the drones. But, the issue here isn't really drone strikes.

More importantly, it is the issue of whether NATO forces can engage targets inside Pakistani territory in hot pursuit after cross border attack by enemy.

There must be a limit. I agree, time is of essence. No matter how strong the communication is, it isnt fast enough for the troops on the ground. Decisions have to be taken in seconds. There has to be a defined space on both sides where targets may be engaged. But this would need extra extra coordination on the location of each other's posts. There should also be coordination on sector level comanders on both sides, authorized to take on spot decisions.

But, this requires trust, which could be built by some sort of regular contact between the local commanders on both sides other than those of at higher level.

 

[maverick1977]

Give armed drones to Pakistan and let them to the work. Give more helos to fight insurgents..


if these militants are armed and i am sure on foot in this hilly terrain then it takes them hours to get into pakistan. that gives ample response time for NATO to tell Pakistani counterparts that they should do a blockade and mince these insurgents... I dont buy the hot pursuit argument by NATO. it was a violation of a soverign state and distrust between two forces is huge, no wonder they were not notified by NATO and they took the action across into Pakistan...

 

[MJaa]

NATO helicopter strike on Pakistan shows new strategy of 'hot pursuit'








http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-South-Central/2010/0930/NATO-helicopter-strike-on-Pakistan-shows-new-strategy-of-hot-pursuit

Simple Q is if pakistan fails to control Talibans (because it gets 700 million $)= Pakistan supports Talibans

What should we called ISAF and USA which spend hundreds of billions of dollars ??

What a joke 80% 0f their supplies come through Pakistan and this writer says it doesn't affect ISAF. This explains his inability to analyze the situation on the ground.

A Pakistani government official in the region said the casualties were “all civilians”. A Pakistani military official.Source

A Nato aircraft operation once again violated Pakistani airspace targeting a security checkpoint post in Kurram Agency, killing three security personnel in the offensive and injuring five others.Source

How killing forces of allies and civilians on the other side of border helps ISAF other than their typical BS of killing everyone and labeling them as militants without evidence.

yes there should be a way to hand over targets but it seems like these cowboys from west dont care between innocents and allies from talibans, All they care is how many they killed in a day.

ISAF and USA will have to realize that only way to do it (that is if they are actually interested to do it) is through capacity building of Pakistani forces

While USA and ISAF are crying form the start of this decade they are doing to little to improve the situation. It takes USA a full decade to deliver 20 to 30 Vietnam era AH-1s and same is the case for other equipment.

Every time Pakistan asks for proper equipment (Which ISAF and USA are using in same battle ) they are denied their request because USA cares more about India (to which USA is willing to sells each and every modern weapon system that is in their use) then wining the WOT.

 

[LeGenD]

Every time Pakistan asks for proper equipment (Which ISAF and USA are using in same battle ) they are denied their request because USA cares more about India (to which USA is willing to sells each and every modern weapon system that is in their use) then wining the WOT.

They are giving us good equipment. Block 52 F-16 are among the examples, which have very good ATG attack capabilities.

 

[Super Falcon]

Totally Agree with General Baig he is right on target we should ask americans to get hell out of every inch of pakistan teritorial land other wise will face immense beating but it willl never happen till we do not get leader like Bhutto and i dont see we have anyone like him but Imran Khan is a man who can do better job than what corrupt leaders we have we as nation has to stand firm in next election it is our right to choose better Govt for pakistan we as a nation gave chance to all parties other than imran's and if we keep brining same crap we ourselves enemy of ourselves better use our vote very very Intelligently to bring back pakistan nation back on track economy and self respect in International Community no one going to help us and bring the change to the system it is we who should now stand and fight for last chance to keep pakistan Alive

 

[LeGenD]

Totally Agree with General Baig he is right on target we should ask americans to get hell out of every inch of pakistan teritorial land other wise will face immense beating but it willl never happen till we do not get leader like Bhutto and i dont see we have anyone like him but Imran Khan is a man who can do better job than what corrupt leaders we have we as nation has to stand firm in next election it is our right to choose better Govt for pakistan we as a nation gave chance to all parties other than imran's and if we keep brining same crap we ourselves enemy of ourselves better use our vote very very Intelligently to bring back pakistan nation back on track economy and self respect in International Community no one going to help us and bring the change to the system it is we who should now stand and fight for last chance to keep pakistan Alive

Leader like Bhutto? The one who got Pakistan split?

When Musharraf decided to join WOT, what was the "emotional Pakistani awaam" doing then? Sleeping?

Didn't we learned any lesson from the past that wars are a messy affair and we should try to avoid them?

We are paying the price of our own mistakes. Why complain now?