Gen Bajwa pressurized me to extend friendship with India: Imran Khan

[HAIDER]

 

[my2cents]

IK absolutely humiliated Modi when he took down his jets.

The army watched on as they allowed IAF intrude but it was IK who insisted on a retaliation which made PAF act otherwise they would cried "UN" and "joint investigation" in another cop out

If this was 1000 years ago, IK would have proceeded to make all of Modi's female family members part of his concubine to complete the humiliation.

Still stuck up in the past glory. Little humility goes a long way in accepting you are bankrupt and your awam is fighting for atta everyday.
If you go back 1000 years your forefathers were the illegitimate children of those concubines.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

It’s not Indian administered if the land is occupied and the people are against India. Its indian ILLEGALLY occupied Kashmir.
Your cousin visited.
I have close friends who live there.
The genocide isn’t happening right now. It’s a genocide in the making and even international media is exposing Indias true face in Kashmir.
Even if the world knows about a genocide happening in Kashmir will they do anything? No.
A genocide is happening of Muslim Rohingya in Burma. Does the world care? No.


I am speaking about Kashmir not Balochistan. Don’t divert the topic.
Kashmir is a genocide in the making. Majority of Kashmiris do not want to be with india. They either want independence or to be with Pakistan. Indian brutalities in Kashmir have been exposed. The whole world knows about it.
Don’t reply back if you’re going to divert the topic again.

It is like - we can do anything in our house, don't focus and talk about it... We will only talk about your house.

Well, this is truly not your mistakes, whatever the things about kashmir is sold in Pakistan for the decades, pakistani people will have the same thoughts.....

Pakistan will waste another few decades, then will realize that need to move forward because nothing can do or change.

 

[VkdIndian]

Pakistan will waste another few decades, then will realize that need to move forward because nothing can do or change.

It appears that Bajwa accepted this fact and tried to do what is good for his country - make peace with India.

IK is still living in his La-La land and thinks that, by making big speeches he would get Kashmir back. Only people buying these bombastic speeches, are his countrymen and women. They think that IK has been able to put limelight on Modi. He has been successful to some extent since most of the powerful Arab countries have already given him their highest Civilian Award. That speaks volumes about what world thinks about India and Kashmir issue.

Time to formalise the status quo on Kashmir and move on, otherwise Paksiatn has more to loose in this tussle than India.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

It appears that Bajwa accepted this fact and tried to do what is good for his country - make peace with India.

IK is still living in his La-La land and thinks that by making big speeches he would get Kashmir back. Only people buying these bombastic speeches, are his countrymen and women. They think that IK has been able to put limelight on Modi. He has been successful to some extent since most of the powerful Arab countries have already given him their highest Civilian Award. That speaks volumes about what world thinks about India and Kashmir issue.

Time to formalise the status quo on Kashmir and move on, otherwise Paksiatn has more to loose in this tussle than India.

Even Imran khan is aware that nothing will happen and change. Since pakistani public is not ready to accept the truth, because "kashmir banega Pakistan" Is sold for the decades.

Any u-turn will not accepted by the pakistani people, thr same goes to India, if any indian political leader will say that we need to forget about pak kashmir and GB, then he will be getting from left to right by the other politicians and common people.

both sides of leadership are helpless.... So, they are following the same old tactics and not ready to take the u-turn form the old stands

 

[Sayfullah]

It is like - we can do anything in our house, don't focus and talk about it... We will only talk about your house.

Well, this is truly not your mistakes, whatever the things about kashmir is sold in Pakistan for the decades, pakistani people will have the same thoughts.....

Pakistan will waste another few decades, then will realize that need to move forward because nothing can do or change.

Kashmir is internationally recognized disputed territory. Balochistan isn’t. By international law Kashmir isn’t your “house”.
We are Muslims. We don’t lose hope. We fight wars for generations if needed. For us death doesn’t deter us. Neither can worldly gains deter us. So we won’t “waste another few decades”.
Kashmir will eventually be free with or without Pakistan.

 

[Destranator]

Your post reflects your losers and slave mentality towards India.

We will fight another 1000 years but will not compromise.

Pakistan will prevail. and India will be balkanized.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Kashmir is internationally recognized disputed territory. Balochistan isn’t. By international law Kashmir isn’t your “house”.
We are Muslims. We don’t lose hope. We fight wars for generations if needed. For us death doesn’t deter us. Neither can worldly gains deter us. So we won’t “waste another few decades”.
Kashmir will eventually be free with or without Pakistan.

Even Hindus fight to the death if war is imposed on them, as has been proven during the last wars.

when Gilgit-Baltistan became part of Pakistan's provisional state despite being the same internationally recognized disputed territory. And leave for some cake of peace for the so-called " Azad Kashmir" as part of kashmir

Kashmir will always be remain part of India until Pakistan and India wipe it off the map.

There is no guarantee that Pakistan will ever gain control of Kashmir, but there is a strong likelihood that will destroy ourselves in the name of Kashmir.

 

[legacytiger18]

Both Khalistan and Kashmir will become part of Pakistan by 2025.

By 2030, UP, Bihar, Bengal will be part of Pakistan.

The countdown has started.

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First thing that any pakistani should focus as a goal for 2025 is - come out of balance of payements crisis, or even risk of defaulting

 

[Super Falcon]

Friendship with india or atleast a peaceful existence not a bad thing.... Musharraf realised it after kargil, we will never get that part of kashmir , so time to make peace with it and cut the defence spending.

People are blind followers of Imran khan

 

[maverick1977]

PM Imran says civilian, military leadership on same page in latest interview​

PM Imran talks in-depth about Kashmir, peace in Afghanistan, freedom of expression and CPEC​

By Web Desk
September 03, 2020

Prime Minister Imran Khan believes that his government and the military have the "most harmonious relationship" while noting that in the past, civilian and military leaderships have had a "chequered relationship".

In an interview with Al-Jazeera, PM Imran said that "the military stands" with the incumbent government and that they have "an excellent relationship".

"I honestly think it's the most harmonious relationship, we have complete coordination, we work together, the military completely stands with all the government's democratic policies," he said, adding that the armed forces and the civilian government were on the same page whether it came to the India policy or peace in Afghanistan.

PM Imran says civilian, military leadership on same page in latest interview

Prime Minister Imran Khan believes that his government and the military have the most harmonious relationship while noting that in the past, civilian and military leaderships have had a chequered...

www.thenews.com.pk

Bajra was the scum of the earth. such a low life animal.

 

[indushek]

It appears that Bajwa accepted this fact and tried to do what is good for his country - make peace with India.

IK is still living in his La-La land and thinks that, by making big speeches he would get Kashmir back. Only people buying these bombastic speeches, are his countrymen and women. They think that IK has been able to put limelight on Modi. He has been successful to some extent since most of the powerful Arab countries have already given him their highest Civilian Award. That speaks volumes about what world thinks about India and Kashmir issue.

Time to formalise the status quo on Kashmir and move on, otherwise Paksiatn has more to loose in this tussle than India.

It's most likely the possibility, that Mr Khan is using the sensitive topic of relations with India too, in addition to local issues to get back to power.

I mean it's kind of strange though, he has spoken so much against his own country's establishment aka Military. They however don't seem to respond, at least to even refute his claims of direct treason towards their motherland.

If anything this statement actually, shows his character in very bad light. How can any leader say, that he has been forced to do something against his wish in public? It shows that he can be pressurized into anything, by the right person. How can public have trust in him, as this can happen again in future where he can be pressurized to do something against Pakistan's interests.

Mr Khan should re-check on whoever is advising or writing his press statements, they are not portraying him as a good leader leave aside great.

 

[Neelo]

After 10 pages of IQ dropping “I know the right answer” comments, all of this is being based on a Dunya News article which only mentions it in one sentence.

There’s no doubt that Imran Khan writes his own speeches and is stubborn AF when it comes to political optics and how his words will be perceived.

But are we really going to have a 10 page discussion on this based on a single sentence in an article that mentions a lot more?

Chairman Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Imran Khan said that when the Supreme Court first restored the National Assembly through suo moto, then it was right, and now when the top court wants elections through it, the suo moto became wrong.

Talking to journalists in Lahore, he also said that Gen ® Bajwa had pressurized him to develop a friendship with India. He said that Bajwa was not a man of principles.

PTI Chief declared that if elections are not held in 90 days, there will be no constitution in the country.

The former Prime Minister said that the attack on his house in his absence had no justification. The caretaker government should have played the role of a neutral which it was not doing. He also alleged that CM Mohsin Naqvi, IG Punjab, and CCPO Lahore were criminals.

Mr Khan further said that Dr Arif Alvi is no longer playing any role between the establishment and the party. If elections are not held in 90 days, we will take to the streets adding they have been completely blacked out by the media.

He said that the ruling people are trying to control social media as well. He also questioned under what law the dissolved assemblies of Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa would be restored.

The ex-premier further said that they are also trying to control social media. Bajwa, Imran said, says something one day and denies it the next. Accountability against Bajwa should be initiated from within the army, Mr Khan desired.

Gen Bajwa pressurized me to extend friendship with India: Imran Khan

Imran points out Gen Bajwa was not a man of principles

dunyanews.tv

I sincerely think there has been a mistranslation coupled with Imran Khan just not knowing how to speak when it comes to politics. This has both helped him and harmed him in the past….in this case it’s not helping him.

At the end of the day and as mentioned earlier in a post on the previous page, the premise behind Bajwa pushing Khan towards friendlier ties with India was coming from the Americans.

The Americans were pushing for Pakistan and India to have friendlier ties so Pakistan could shift its attention westward and aid in the American withdrawal from Afghanistan. This was done before in October 2001 and was being done again.

This is what irked Imran Khan and eventually culminated in his response “absolutely not” and “are we your slaves”.

Bajwa is an American toot. Khan wasn’t. The rest is history.


Original Post

Jesus some of you folks literally have no clue what you're talking about. So short sighted and have no idea how the world works.

Armchair analysts at their finest:

1. Pakistan's official stance on Kashmir is that the State of Jammu and Kashmir is disputed territory and that a plebiscite will determine the political future of the region. Never once has Pakistan claimed Kashmir to be an "integral part" of Pakistan. Please read United Nations Security Council Resolutions 47 and 80, both of which outline the future of Kashmir.

2. The people of the occupied Kashmir Valley are Koshur speaking Kashmiris and ethnically different from the people of Azad Kashmir, who speak predominantly Pahari. AJK are linguistically and ethnically closer to northern Punjabis (Potohar) and Hazara region of KP. Claiming Kashmiris are PDM supporters is once again showing how dimwitted some of you people are.

3. Pakistan has at one point supported the LoC becoming the official international border during Agra Summit when Musharraf pitched the idea. Your neighbour on the other hand is insistent that all of GB and AJK belongs to India so pushing idea makes no sense. India won't accept the LoC becoming the border because it won't solve the secessionist attitude that the Kashmir Valley has. Also it'll be a political disaster for any government in power in India since they've brainwashed their population into thinking Gilgit and Skardu have Indian bases lol. If I'm Pakistan the status quo plus making GB a province is the way to go. Let IOK burn.

4. General Bajwa is an American bootlicker like the GHQ. Him pushing for "friendship" with India was being fuelled by the United States. Like I said some of you people have no clue how to tie in regional politics with domestic politics. Trump wanted Pakistan and India to cease hostilities so Pakistan could shift its mind militarily from the east to the west and aid in America's withdrawal from Afghanistan. This was the whole premise behind Trump wanting to help in a peace settlement of Kashmir. And if you don't believe me go back to October 2001 when the United States was preparing to invade Afghanistan and wanted Pakistan and India to cease hostilities in order for the Pakistan Army shift its attention to the western border.

Please learn and read your comments before you write stuff. It's so embarrassing how this forum claims to be a defence forum while the majority of its members have no clue about geopolitics, history or basic reading comprehension.

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I dislike Bajwa and the establishment but the Indians and their fairytales are nothing to take seriously. Why aren’t any of our legs shaking when it comes to Kulbashan Yadav….who’s still in jail in Pakistan mind you.

It’s funny how the Indians don’t mention his name anymore, but were quick to try change the narrative after getting humiliated with two downed jets and a pilot in enemy territory.

Sending him back was a gesture, but the Indians were trying to play it up….failed as usual though in the international circle.

They did the same when Pakistan opened the Kartarpur Corridor. The Indian state media went on a tirade about the population of Sikhs in Pakistan…meanwhile they openly deny the 1984 Sikh genocide within India.

You couldn’t even make this up.

 

[SD 10]

People are blind followers of Imran khan

i am Ik follower too but you dont have to agree with everything that the leader say. one should utilize his own brain too!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

People are blind followers of Imran khan

And the blind followers of the zardaris/bhuttos and the not-so-sharrifs are such fine outstanding people..............