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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Stop trolling. Hamas has ties with Armenia and Greece? Since when ? :lol:

Stop embarrassing yourself. And stop making this about you. Because it's not. :)
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Never thought I would support @MMM-E

Palestinian flag is the literal arab revolt flag against the Ottoman Empire.
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They have never EVER supported Turkey in anything, we owe them nothing.
 
This appears to be a Mumbai Style attack, killing innocent civilians.

This looks like an Israeli intelligence failure & retribution shall be heavy

So you Are the one who is going on different twitter handles and spreading this fake news. I knew that it must be an indian rat from PDF doing this.
 

Hamas is now created a very big problem for Palestinians after this terror attack.

I could see that Israel is Going to full flesh war and possibility, it will be unleashed.. many deads are coming... really would be a disaster.

USA is standing with Israel, if any other country will join than really will be disaster for them... mostly IRAN might can join... don't see any other country has ball to go against the USA and Israel.
 
Hamas is now created a very big problem for Palestinians after this terror attack.

I could see that Israel is Going to full flesh war and possibility, it will be unleashed.. many deads are coming... really would be a disaster.

USA is standing with Israel, if any other country will join than really will be disaster.... mostly IRAN might can join... don't see any other country has ball to go against the USA and Israel.

You say this as if this is unknown to us. Tell us something new.
 
Its charter remains committed to the destruction of Israel.
Some nuance:

Hamas former leader Khaled Meshaal: the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons". Hamas do not use the Charter on their website and prefer to use their election manifesto to put forth their agenda.

Sir Jeremy Greenstock: the Hamas charter was "drawn up by a Hamas-linked imam some [twenty] years ago and has never been adopted since Hamas was elected as the Palestinian government in 2006".
 
Hamas is now created a very big problem for Palestinians after this terror attack.

I could see that Israel is Going to full flesh war and possibility, it will be unleashed.. many deads are coming... really would be a disaster.

USA is standing with Israel, if any other country will join than really will be disaster.... mostly IRAN might can join... don't see any other country has ball to go against the USA and Israel.
They are too stupid to see this, that little video justified everything Israelis will do to palestinian POWs
 
The failure to get intelligence on such a large-scale and well-attended operation and being caught completely unprepared is proof that Mossad has become a hollow bubble.

The other possibility is that there is a dangerous power struggle within Israel. Netenyahu's government could use these events precisely to consolidate domestic politics, as the first statements suggest.
The long myth of Jewish superiority has been stripped down in broad daylight.
 
MANPADs and ATGMs are a must if Hamas wants to consolidate their gains. Atleast it will add to the complications of IDF planners and prevent AF from being used with impunity.
Helis and Mech forces will form the main part of IDF's counter attack and without ATGMs/MANPADs the Hamas will be unable to bear the weight of IDF's superiority. AT mines may also be used to further slow down the Israeli armour

@PanzerKiel @Signalian
Both sides will change tactics and adapt, that is modern warfare.
 
Number of captured Israelis is "significant", IDF says, as Hamas warns hostages now spread across Gaza

From CNN's Shirin Zia Faqiri, Kareem Khadder and Mohammed Tawfeeq

The number of Israeli nationals captured by Hamas is "unprecedented", the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have told CNN as the militant group said that the hostages its fighters had taken were being held across Gaza.

"It is unprecedented in our history that we have so many Israeli nationals in the hands of a terrorist organization," IDF Spokesman Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Saturday.
“These are extremely disturbing scenes for any Israeli to see. I don’t even want to imagine what the fate of this Israeli person will be at the hands of these blood-thirsty animals."

"I can assure you that the IDF will be focused on getting each and every Israeli back”, Conricus said, adding that the number of civilians and soldiers captured by Hamas is an “unfortunately, a significant number.”

“These are numbers that we have never, ever seen before and these are, they’re unprecedented, and they will force an unprecedented response from Israel,” said Conricus.

In a statement Saturday, Hamas said the captured Israeli hostages are being held across the Gaza strip and warned against attacks in the area.

"Threatening Gaza and its people is a losing game and a broken record," Al Qassam Brigades spokesman Abu Obaida said in a recorded audio message late on Saturday.
"What happens to the people of the Gaza Strip will happen to them and beware of miscalculation," Obaida added.

Some context: The Izzedine al Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, claimed earlier on Saturday to have captured "dozens" of Israelis during Saturday's surprise attack.

After the attack, Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to "destroy" Hamas.

"We will forcefully avenge this dark day that they have forced on the State of Israel and its citizens," Netanyahu said in a televised speech late on Saturday. "I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere."

 

Israel-Gaza conflict: Unthinkable security lapse on Netanyahu’s watch​

It’s the biggest military setback and intelligence failure in 50 years — and when it’s over, there is likely to be ‘the mother of all blame-fests’



Half a century and a day after the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria on Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel suffered what was without a doubt its biggest military setback and intelligence failure in 50 years.
Unlike the Yom Kippur War when it was attacked by two large Arab armies, Israel this time is not in existential danger. There is no questioning its military superiority over Hamas and the other Palestinian militias which have attacked it from Gaza. But as far as the chaos on the ground, with teams of Hamas fighters blowing up sections of the border fence, others infiltrating using motor-gliders and powerboats on the shore, streaming into Israel under the cover of a massive barrages of rockets launched from within Gaza, it is as stunning a setback as then.

The shock of 1973 is a lingering national trauma but over half a century later much has been done to restore Israelis’ rock-solid confidence in their military, and especially their intelligence services. They are routinely regaled by its success in foiling terrorist attacks and reaching deep inside Iran to eliminate nuclear scientists. Surveillance of Gaza, the coastal enclave which has since 2007 been under control of Hamas, is particularly intense. Israeli intelligence has hundreds of electronic sensors focused on the narrow strip of land and all phone communications go over Israeli networks.
The shock of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and the surprise attack on Israel is a lingering national trauma

The shock of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and the surprise attack on Israel is a lingering national trauma
KHALED DESOUKI/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

That Hamas managed to prepare this operation — which would have taken months of planning and training — without Israeli intelligence getting wind of it is almost unthinkable. Once the dust settles, which may not be for a while, there will be a massive reckoning within Israel’s military and political leadership. One former senior intelligence official put it simply: “Heads will roll at the very top.” It may well be like the upheaval after the Yom Kippur War which eroded confidence in the country’s leaders and led ultimately to the resignation of Golda Meir as prime minister and her Labour party, which had been in power since Israel’s foundation in 1948, being voted out of office four years after the war.
How will that affect Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s longest-serving prime minister who returned once again to office just nine months ago? It is much too early to calculate the political fallout while the fighting is still raging.
Netanyahu, 73, is the only figure in today’s Israeli leadership old enough to have experienced the chaos of the Yom Kippur War close up. He was at the time a student at MIT in Boston but had recently completed five years of service as an officer in an elite special forces unit. He rushed to JFK airport where he boarded one of the first planes back to Israel and joined the fighting, though he was shuttled back and forth between the Egyptian and Syrian fronts as the Israeli military hierarchy was uncertain on where to commit its forces.
The memories of that period of uncertainty and the political turmoil and finger-pointing that ensued once Israel had fought back its enemies, at the cost of more than 2,000 dead soldiers, will be at the front of his mind now. This time he won’t be able to simply board a plane and get back to civilian life once it is over. He will be the one who has to deliver answers to the Israeli public and while he can expect them to unite while the fighting is still raging, he knows just how quickly opinion can turn against the politicians.

Who are Hamas and why are they attacking now?

There is no way around the conclusion that what is without a doubt Israel’s worst military setback in 50 years has happened on his watch. Netanyahu’s supporters have called him in the past “Mr Security”, but that title sounds echoingly hollow right now.
Netanyahu with Joe Biden in New York in September

Netanyahu with Joe Biden in New York in September
SUSAN WALSH/AP

Netanyahu’s political comeback and his new far-right coalition’s time in power so far has been rocky. The government has been buffeted by massive protests against its plans to weaken the Supreme Court, thousands of army reservists have threatened to suspend their service in protest. Meanwhile there has been a breakdown of law and order in Israel with sky-rocketing murder rates. And now this.

For at least the next few days, Netanyahu can rely upon a rare period of Israeli unity. The country will draw together as it goes to war, and the dead, numbering probably in their hundreds, are brought to rest. Much will then depend on how the Israeli campaign in Gaza unfolds over the next few weeks. If the Israeli army goes to war, with many casualties on both sides but fails to eliminate the Hamas leadership and free the Israeli captives, public anger over the initial failures that led to Hamas’s successful attack will boil over. If somehow, Israel can reverse fortunes on the battlefield in Gaza, Netanyahu will try to make do with a commission of inquiry that will blame the intelligence chiefs but shield him and his government.
“Once this over, there will be the mother of all blame-fests,” predicted one former Israeli general. “Netanyahu will obviously pin this on the army because he knows how it will taint his legacy, but history remembers whoever was leader and this is ultimately his responsibility.”
 
The long myth of Jewish superiority has been stripped down in broad daylight.

Israelis have been caught with their pants down.

Israel's former Mossad chief: "We didn't have an inkling of what was going on"

From CNN’s Shirin Zia Faqiri

The former chief of Mossad has told CNN that "We had no warning of any kind, and it was a total surprise that the war broke out this morning.”

Efraim Halevy, the former head of Mossad, Israel’s Intelligence Service, told CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Saturday that Hamas militants had launched thousands of rockets at Israel on Saturday.

“The number of missiles they have launched within less than 24 hours is over 3,000. This is beyond imagination from our point of view, and we didn’t know they had this quantity of missiles, and we certainly didn’t expect that they would be as effective as they were today,” he said.
Halevy also said that the number of rockets fired by Palestinian militants on Saturday morning had “never seen before.” He told CNN that this was a “unique attack” and “the first time” that Gaza has been able to “penetrate deep into Israel and to take control of villages.”

“As an operation, it was highly successful, unfortunately, I think it was well coordinated,” Halevy said.

Halevy said that he suspects the rockets were manufactured in the Gaza strip after being "smuggled in by sea" and that Hamas “probably” was able to perform “trial training” without letting Israeli forces discover their plans.

“We didn’t have an inkling of what was going on,” he said.

 

Israel-Gaza conflict: Unthinkable security lapse on Netanyahu’s watch​

It’s the biggest military setback and intelligence failure in 50 years — and when it’s over, there is likely to be ‘the mother of all blame-fests’



Half a century and a day after the surprise attack by Egypt and Syria on Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Israel suffered what was without a doubt its biggest military setback and intelligence failure in 50 years.
Unlike the Yom Kippur War when it was attacked by two large Arab armies, Israel this time is not in existential danger. There is no questioning its military superiority over Hamas and the other Palestinian militias which have attacked it from Gaza. But as far as the chaos on the ground, with teams of Hamas fighters blowing up sections of the border fence, others infiltrating using motor-gliders and powerboats on the shore, streaming into Israel under the cover of a massive barrages of rockets launched from within Gaza, it is as stunning a setback as then.

The shock of 1973 is a lingering national trauma but over half a century later much has been done to restore Israelis’ rock-solid confidence in their military, and especially their intelligence services. They are routinely regaled by its success in foiling terrorist attacks and reaching deep inside Iran to eliminate nuclear scientists. Surveillance of Gaza, the coastal enclave which has since 2007 been under control of Hamas, is particularly intense. Israeli intelligence has hundreds of electronic sensors focused on the narrow strip of land and all phone communications go over Israeli networks.
The shock of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and the surprise attack on Israel is a lingering national trauma

The shock of the 1973 Yom Kippur War and the surprise attack on Israel is a lingering national trauma
KHALED DESOUKI/AFP/GETTY IMAGES

That Hamas managed to prepare this operation — which would have taken months of planning and training — without Israeli intelligence getting wind of it is almost unthinkable. Once the dust settles, which may not be for a while, there will be a massive reckoning within Israel’s military and political leadership. One former senior intelligence official put it simply: “Heads will roll at the very top.” It may well be like the upheaval after the Yom Kippur War which eroded confidence in the country’s leaders and led ultimately to the resignation of Golda Meir as prime minister and her Labour party, which had been in power since Israel’s foundation in 1948, being voted out of office four years after the war.
How will that affect Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s longest-serving prime minister who returned once again to office just nine months ago? It is much too early to calculate the political fallout while the fighting is still raging.
Netanyahu, 73, is the only figure in today’s Israeli leadership old enough to have experienced the chaos of the Yom Kippur War close up. He was at the time a student at MIT in Boston but had recently completed five years of service as an officer in an elite special forces unit. He rushed to JFK airport where he boarded one of the first planes back to Israel and joined the fighting, though he was shuttled back and forth between the Egyptian and Syrian fronts as the Israeli military hierarchy was uncertain on where to commit its forces.
The memories of that period of uncertainty and the political turmoil and finger-pointing that ensued once Israel had fought back its enemies, at the cost of more than 2,000 dead soldiers, will be at the front of his mind now. This time he won’t be able to simply board a plane and get back to civilian life once it is over. He will be the one who has to deliver answers to the Israeli public and while he can expect them to unite while the fighting is still raging, he knows just how quickly opinion can turn against the politicians.

Who are Hamas and why are they attacking now?

There is no way around the conclusion that what is without a doubt Israel’s worst military setback in 50 years has happened on his watch. Netanyahu’s supporters have called him in the past “Mr Security”, but that title sounds echoingly hollow right now.
Netanyahu with Joe Biden in New York in September

Netanyahu with Joe Biden in New York in September
SUSAN WALSH/AP

Netanyahu’s political comeback and his new far-right coalition’s time in power so far has been rocky. The government has been buffeted by massive protests against its plans to weaken the Supreme Court, thousands of army reservists have threatened to suspend their service in protest. Meanwhile there has been a breakdown of law and order in Israel with sky-rocketing murder rates. And now this.

For at least the next few days, Netanyahu can rely upon a rare period of Israeli unity. The country will draw together as it goes to war, and the dead, numbering probably in their hundreds, are brought to rest. Much will then depend on how the Israeli campaign in Gaza unfolds over the next few weeks. If the Israeli army goes to war, with many casualties on both sides but fails to eliminate the Hamas leadership and free the Israeli captives, public anger over the initial failures that led to Hamas’s successful attack will boil over. If somehow, Israel can reverse fortunes on the battlefield in Gaza, Netanyahu will try to make do with a commission of inquiry that will blame the intelligence chiefs but shield him and his government.
“Once this over, there will be the mother of all blame-fests,” predicted one former Israeli general. “Netanyahu will obviously pin this on the army because he knows how it will taint his legacy, but history remembers whoever was leader and this is ultimately his responsibility.”
One person that probably feels vindicated today is Olmert.

I'm unable to comprehend but why am I seeing Indian supporting Israelis everywhere across internet, lol?
If you see any you would say are particularly egregious examples, please share them on this thread. So they can be shown to the Arab and Muslim masses.
 

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