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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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Israel has agreed to the two state peace solution long ago. Can you show us one place where Hamas agree to that ?


Israel and Palestine as two independent states, coexisting side by side − this was the principle of the Oslo Accords, signed in 1993 by then-Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat, former chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization.





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This came with a butt load of restrictions analogous to letting the prisoners stroll out in the yard. They never had independence.
 
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What's that saying that a Jew will cry Victim as he strikes you... apparently that's not false at all.

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Hamas hostage videos are cruel, manipulative, revealing. Experts expect more.


The latest hostage video released by Hamas is disturbing, manipulative and revealing. Three women sit on cheap plastic chairs pushed against a tiled wall, somewhere in Gaza. It looks like a waiting room for some fearful appointment.

Are they underground, in the militants’ vast tunnel network? Unclear. There’s an electrical outlet. The lighting is bright. The captives are dressed in clean clothes. They appear uninjured, physically at least.


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The woman in the center, Danielle Aloni, 44, speaks directly to the camera. She begins, “Hello, Bibi Netanyahu, we are in captivity, in Hamas captivity, 23 — how many days? — 23 days … ”
This helps establish when the video was made — or when their captors planned to release it, on Monday. In the short clip, Aloni delivers a harsh message to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, describing his “failures.” By the end of the video, Aloni is shouting, her voice rough: “Free, free us now! Free their civilians, free their prisoners, free us, free us all, let us return to our families now. Now! Now! Now!”

Aloni was captured along with five other family members, including 3-year-old twins, from the Nir Oz kibbutz during Hamas’s attack on southern Israel on Oct. 7 — the deadliest day in the country’s history.
The release of the 75-second video Monday created a rush of emotions in Israel. It was a gut punch. The Prime Minister’s Office called the video “cruel psychological propaganda” and again compared Hamas to ISIS.
Still, one father was ecstatic to see his daughter alive.








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Just look at them, they are not been harmed, and then compare it with how IDF treats Palestinian women of all age... You have no moral high ground to call out for what Hamas did, you guys are doing much worse to Palestinians for years.
 
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This came with a butt load of restrictions analogous to letting the prisoners stroll out in the yard. They never had independence.

Not perfect , and could have been discussed and improved further. But the Oslo agreement was a good start.

The basic principle :

Two states living side by side in peace , with mutual recognition and good neighbourly relations.

Sure better than the future Hamas is offering to the region,

What does Hamas has to offer ?

An Armageddon style endless cycle of war ?

No thanks.

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Should put one hostage on each building top in gaza and video cast it to media. so next time they shoot a building they end up killing their own rats.
make use of hostages.
Yeah, last thing Gaza needs is idiotic advise like these. Just because Pakistan is a hellhole and staring at a more grim future, you Pakistanis would love to see the whole world crash and burn!

Hamas can never militarily subdue Israel (Especially with no backing from other countries).So called allies of Palestine (Be it Iran, be it Turkey, be it Russia) are in it, just for their own geopolitical strategic gains, they don't give a shit about Palestinians and their sufferings.

Muslim netizens need to stop celebrating these random rocket strikes on Israel, or celebrating destruction of Israeli tanks and killing of Israeli soldiers as if it is some huge military victory. It doesn't serve any purpose and helps the Israeli narrative.
 
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Not perfect , and could have discussed further.

But sure is better than the future Hamas is offering to the region,
Hamas accepted the 67 border. I guess they weren't interested in talking for decades or centuries while Israel continued stealing land turning West Bank into a human chicken coop.
 
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Yeah, last thing Gaza needs is idiotic advise like these. Just because Pakistan is a hellhole and staring at a more grim future, you Pakistanis would love to see the whole world crash and burn!

Hamas can never militarily subdue Israel (Especially with no backing from other countries).So called allies of Palestine (Be it Iran, be it Turkey, be it Russia) are in it, just for their own geopolitical strategic gains, they don't give a shit about Palestinians and their sufferings.

Muslim netizens need to stop celebrating these random rocket strikes on Israel, or celebrating destruction of Israeli tanks and killing of Israeli soldiers as if it is some huge military victory. It doesn't serve any purpose and helps the Israeli narrative.
i am sorry dude i just dont take "muslims" from India serious you guys make me laugh xdxd
 
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This came with a butt load of restrictions analogous to letting the prisoners stroll out in the yard. They never had independence.



Not perfect , and could have been discussed and improved further. But the Oslo agreement was a good start.

The basic principle :

Two states living side by side in peace , with mutual recognition and good neighbourly relations.

Sure better than the future Hamas is offering to the region,

What does Hamas has to offer ?

An Armageddon style endless cycle of war ?

No thanks.





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When there is a will there is a way . . .

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They don't have a lot of ATGM. I don't even think those are Russian but rather North Korean systems. Anyhow, their homemade tandem rounds for RPG will be lethal against enemy tanks and also mines.

These are north korean Bulsae 2s,upgraded versions of the older 9K111 Fagot/at4-spigot.
The north koreans upgraded these with the same laser beam riding guidance system that the newer kornet atgm uses,which is a pretty decent improvement.
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Think of it as a subsonic version of the kornet.
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Theres also the iranian raad-t which is basically the old sagger,not much use against modern tanks,but rather nasty against anything else,very portable but its old mclos guidance requires a higher degree of training to use effectively.
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And last but certainly not least you`ve got the kornet,thats the really nasty one.
 
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Not perfect , and could have been discussed and improved further. But the Oslo agreement was a good start.

The basic principle :

Two states living side by side in peace , with mutual recognition and good neighbourly relations.

Sure better than the future Hamas is offering to the region,

What does Hamas has to offer ?

An Armageddon style endless cycle of war ?

No thanks.





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When there is a will there is a way . . .

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The way is recognizing Palestine in the UN territory of 1948 like any sovereign state, although the 67 border seems to be the viable state. Compensate Palestine for the lost territory. Return of Palestinians to their ancestral homeland as Palestinian citizens. Israelis can live in their ancestral homeland too in Palestine. You share the same ancestral homeland. This is the technical aspect, you have caused much bloodshed, the human aspect is more difficult to overcome. Never think you can smash human beings into submission. Even animals don't submit that way.
 
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