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Gay Man ‘Murdered 18-Month-Old Just Weeks After Formal Adoption with Husband’

No. The two situations are not comparable.
Gays cannot naturally produce children.
We should listen to nature here and use that as
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both gay and lesbians are as much capable of producing children naturally as heterosexual pplz... its sexuality(brain wiring) not problem with sex organ.
yes the situation is not comparable but its slightly further in a slippery slope if you think children right to a perfect upbringing trumps every other consideration in the world.
 
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both gay and lesbians are as much capable of producing children naturally as heterosexual pplz... its sexuality(brain wiring) not problem with sex organ.
yes the situation is not comparable but its slightly further in a slippery slope if you think children right to a perfect upbringing trumps every other consideration in the world.

You know what I mean here.
My only concern is the psychological health of
the child. Too bad if it means that gays cannot bring up children.
 
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You know what I mean here.
My only concern is the psychological health of
the child. Too bad if it means that gays cannot bring up children.
some les couple do want kids and they will go any length to have it... buying sperms off internet is one... some are even having sex(as many donors want to donate 'naturally', coz you know why) with heterosexual people to have it. (see bbc doc about it).
about gays i dont know what they do to get baby, but did not gay people marry and have secret affair till very recently... (leading double life)... .
its impossible for govt to legislate law that take away such rights(even though there is a lot of discomfort among brits regarding this issue, they cant say it for the fear of being called homophobic).

Edit: compared to broken marriage, teenage single mothers, growing up with abusive step fathers this does not look that bad a deal from child's psychological point of view...
 
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some les couple do want kids and they will go any length to have it... buying sperms off internet is one... some are even having sex(as many donors want to donate 'naturally', coz you know why) with heterosexual people to have it. (see bbc doc about it).
about gays i dont know what they do to get baby, but did not gay people marry and have secret affair till very recently... (leading double life)... .
its impossible for govt to legislate law that take away such rights(even though there is a lot of discomfort among brits regarding this issue, they cant say it for the fear of being called homophobic).

Society has a duty to not place children with gays.
Gays deserve equal rights apart from child adoption.
 
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Society has a duty to not place children with gays.
Gays deserve equal rights apart from child adoption.
well if I was deciding, I will prioritize heterosexual healthy couple with solid finances... and will have social services checking on the child's welfare till he/she is teenager.

but a lot of people want white child with blue eye, what will happen to the rest? is it not better to have them in a gay/les family that has healthy finances (are in responsible professions) than living in shelter?
 
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well if I was deciding, I will prioritize heterosexual healthy couple with solid finances... and will have social services checking on the child's welfare till he/she is teenager.

but a lot of people want white child with blue eye, what will happen to the rest? is it not better to have them in a gay/les family that has healthy finances (are in responsible professions) than living in shelter?[/QUOTE

Child being brought up by homosexuals will find it confusing when they learn that nearly all families are not like that. This will cause them psychological trauma for sure.
Also they will be subject to massive bullying at school.
Sorry any kind of care has to be better than this.
 
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Homosexuals are not suitable for adopting vulnerable children because they are disproportionately more likely to sexually abuse little children, particularly boys. It's a proven fact. There are countless cases out there.

Hell, the most notorious pedophilia advocate organization is NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association), a openly Homosexual organization.

Gay Couple Abused & Offered Adopted Son to Pedophiles

Little boy "twerks" at "gay pride"
Parade while Homosexuals (AKA Pedophiles, AKA mentally ill) cheer him on. This is NOT normal behavior.


Standing before an American court convicted of the most heinous of child sex crimes, Australian citizen Mark Newton and his long-term boyfriend Peter Truong had their double lives laid bare.

''Being a father was an honour and a privilege that amounted to the best six years of my life,'' the American-born Newton, 42, told the court.

Moments later Newton was sentenced to 40 years in prison for sexually abusing the boy he and Truong, 36, had ''adopted'' after paying a Russian woman $8000 to be their surrogate in 2005.

Police believe the pair adopted the boy ''for the sole purpose of exploitation''.

The abuse began just days after his birth.

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Over six years the couple travelled the world, offering him up for sex with at least eight men, recording the abuse and uploading the footage to an international syndicate known as the Boy Lovers Network.

''Personally … I think this is probably the worst [paedophile] ring … if not the worst ring I've ever heard of,'' investigator Brian Bone of the US Postal Inspection Service told reporters outside a court in Indiana.

District Judge Sarah Evans Barker said the pair deserved a harsher punishment but were tried at district court level to avoid subjecting a jury to the repulsive images that had been produced.

''What can be said? What can be done to erase some of the horror of this?'' Judge Barker said in handing down her sentence.

Newton and Truong gave an interview to an ABC reporter in far north Queensland in 2010 about their battle to have a child as a gay couple.

Their search started in 2002 in the US, where they both were working, and when they did not have any success Truong travelled to Russia and found a woman who they ''clicked with personality-wise''.

She was paid $8000 and, as per their agreement, granted the couple sole custody of the boy, handing him over five days after his birth in 2005.

The family planned to return to Queensland and live in Cairns but that was delayed because Australian authorities initially refused to grant the child a visa.

That took another 2½ years and upon their eventual arrival in Australia they said customs quizzed them for hours. Police were also sent to the family's house in Cairns to check up on the pair.

In the radio interview, 20 months before their arrest, Newton was asked if he felt the extra attention was because authorities suspected there was ''something dodgy … something paedophilic going on here''.

''Absolutely, absolutely, I'm sure that was completely the concern,'' Newton replied.

Evidence before the US District Court revealed the abuse began before the couple arrived back in Australia. One video is said to show Newton performing a sex act on the boy when he was less than two weeks old.

And while they gave off the perfect image of a modern family to outsiders, Judge Barker said the pair brainwashed the child to believe the sexual abuse was normal behaviour. Newton was also said to have trained the boy to deny any inappropriate behaviour if he was ever questioned by authorities.

''These men submitted this young child to some of the most heinous acts of exploitation that this office has ever seen,'' said Indiana US attorney Joe Hogsett.

Newton and Truong came to the attention of police in August 2011 after their connections to three men arrested over the possession of child exploitation material came to light.

The couple had visited the three men in the US, New Zealand and Germany with their son.

While the couple were visiting extended family in the US, Queensland police searched their Cairns home and found enough evidence to alert their American counterparts, who raided their Los Angeles base and took the boy into custody. Newton and Truong claimed they were being targeted because they were homosexual.

However, after arrest in February 2011, Truong gave investigators the password to the computer hard drives police had seized. They detailed the years of abuse, including instances where they had flown the boy between Australia, the US, France and Germany to record at least eight other paedophiles sexually abusing him.

Newton has been given the maximum sentence available in the US for conspiracy to sexually exploit a minor and possessing child pornography. Truong, who also pleaded guilty, will be sentenced shortly.

The boy remains in the care of extended family in the US.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/couple-offered-son-to-paedophiles-20130630-2p5eg.html


Homosexuals are NOT normal. They are mentally ill and cannot be trusted to have parental authority over vulnerable little children.

@Nilgiri @The Sandman @Thetigerforces @ValerioAurelius @Psychic @Gomig-21 @Hamartia Antidote
 
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Homosexuals are NOT normal. They are mentally ill and cannot be trusted to have parental authority over vulnerable little children.

Tough to generalize them all like that, bro. But I do understand the premise of what you're saying, of course. I think these types of despicable sexual crimes on children are across the board, unfortunately, and a very difficult proposition to find an answer to if a society accepts homosexuality.

Gays deserve equal rights apart from child adoption.

Then it's not equal rights. If you accept them into society as they are/want to be, how can you restrict them of the same rights as everyone else? This principle is what the LGBT community has been fighting for with gay marriages vs civil unions since the latter didn't give them the rights that married couples get. A "free" society has its "challenges" when it comes to equal standards.
 
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Then it's not equal rights. If you accept them into society as they are/want to be, how can you restrict them of the same rights as everyone else? This principle is what the LGBT community has been fighting for with gay marriages vs civil unions since the latter didn't give them the rights that married couples get. A "free" society has its "challenges" when it comes to equal standards.

Also they should not be allowed to marry as that is between a man and a woman. Anything else society should not interfere with.
 
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Also they should not be allowed to marry as that is between a man and a woman. Anything else society should not interfere with.

That's the age-old argument. Once you've created a society that separates church and state, on what grounds do you then create restrictions like that?
 
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Homosexuals are not suitable for adopting vulnerable children because they are disproportionately more likely to sexually abuse little children, particularly boys. It's a proven fact. There are countless cases out there.

Hell, the most notorious pedophilia advocate organization is NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association), a openly Homosexual organization.

Gay Couple Abused & Offered Adopted Son to Pedophiles

Little boy "twerks" at "gay pride"
Parade while Homosexuals (AKA Pedophiles, AKA mentally ill) cheer him on. This is NOT normal behavior.


Standing before an American court convicted of the most heinous of child sex crimes, Australian citizen Mark Newton and his long-term boyfriend Peter Truong had their double lives laid bare.

''Being a father was an honour and a privilege that amounted to the best six years of my life,'' the American-born Newton, 42, told the court.

Moments later Newton was sentenced to 40 years in prison for sexually abusing the boy he and Truong, 36, had ''adopted'' after paying a Russian woman $8000 to be their surrogate in 2005.

Police believe the pair adopted the boy ''for the sole purpose of exploitation''.

The abuse began just days after his birth.

Over six years the couple travelled the world, offering him up for sex with at least eight men, recording the abuse and uploading the footage to an international syndicate known as the Boy Lovers Network.

''Personally … I think this is probably the worst [paedophile] ring … if not the worst ring I've ever heard of,'' investigator Brian Bone of the US Postal Inspection Service told reporters outside a court in Indiana.

District Judge Sarah Evans Barker said the pair deserved a harsher punishment but were tried at district court level to avoid subjecting a jury to the repulsive images that had been produced.

''What can be said? What can be done to erase some of the horror of this?'' Judge Barker said in handing down her sentence.

Newton and Truong gave an interview to an ABC reporter in far north Queensland in 2010 about their battle to have a child as a gay couple.

Their search started in 2002 in the US, where they both were working, and when they did not have any success Truong travelled to Russia and found a woman who they ''clicked with personality-wise''.

She was paid $8000 and, as per their agreement, granted the couple sole custody of the boy, handing him over five days after his birth in 2005.

The family planned to return to Queensland and live in Cairns but that was delayed because Australian authorities initially refused to grant the child a visa.

That took another 2½ years and upon their eventual arrival in Australia they said customs quizzed them for hours. Police were also sent to the family's house in Cairns to check up on the pair.

In the radio interview, 20 months before their arrest, Newton was asked if he felt the extra attention was because authorities suspected there was ''something dodgy … something paedophilic going on here''.

''Absolutely, absolutely, I'm sure that was completely the concern,'' Newton replied.

Evidence before the US District Court revealed the abuse began before the couple arrived back in Australia. One video is said to show Newton performing a sex act on the boy when he was less than two weeks old.

And while they gave off the perfect image of a modern family to outsiders, Judge Barker said the pair brainwashed the child to believe the sexual abuse was normal behaviour. Newton was also said to have trained the boy to deny any inappropriate behaviour if he was ever questioned by authorities.

''These men submitted this young child to some of the most heinous acts of exploitation that this office has ever seen,'' said Indiana US attorney Joe Hogsett.

Newton and Truong came to the attention of police in August 2011 after their connections to three men arrested over the possession of child exploitation material came to light.

The couple had visited the three men in the US, New Zealand and Germany with their son.

While the couple were visiting extended family in the US, Queensland police searched their Cairns home and found enough evidence to alert their American counterparts, who raided their Los Angeles base and took the boy into custody. Newton and Truong claimed they were being targeted because they were homosexual.

However, after arrest in February 2011, Truong gave investigators the password to the computer hard drives police had seized. They detailed the years of abuse, including instances where they had flown the boy between Australia, the US, France and Germany to record at least eight other paedophiles sexually abusing him.

Newton has been given the maximum sentence available in the US for conspiracy to sexually exploit a minor and possessing child pornography. Truong, who also pleaded guilty, will be sentenced shortly.

The boy remains in the care of extended family in the US.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/couple-offered-son-to-paedophiles-20130630-2p5eg.html


Homosexuals are NOT normal. They are mentally ill and cannot be trusted to have parental authority over vulnerable little children.

@Nilgiri @The Sandman @Thetigerforces @ValerioAurelius @Psychic @Gomig-21 @Hamartia Antidote

There is much data that is being repressed on the issue. I dont like to deal in absolutes, but the indications are that they are much more susceptible to all kinds of tendencies on average (% wise compared to regular overall population) that should never be a family environment esp through a volunteered rather than inherited effort. Of course there will be gay "parents" that do a great job raising kids and straight parents that do a lousy job....there will be outliers in any trend....but we need the large macro data to make proper analysis (and then debate about whats acceptable and what isnt) its all that I ask. We need consistency (those that are not consistent end up hypocrites when they ask for pure data only for issues they perceive to support their argument but repress it when it doesn't).

Either the data must be allowed to be openly researched and analysed, or you force everyone to make it black and white issue and take sides depending how they prioritise it as an issue....and I think a society should always veer on the side that has 1000's of years of proven track record compared to next to zero in comparison when you dont have an open arena to analyse the data ...because its "homophobic".....for something so fundamental as upbringing (which really influences/steers a society long term).
 
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Homosexuality is an abomination. Homosexuality should not be allowed.
 
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