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GEO spy satellites is another area US definitely needs to try harder to catch up. Goes together with DF-21D ASBM and supercomputers.

I think US needs to invest more in science and technology. Apparently it's enough:lol:

LOL! You seem to have forgotten that the U.S. military has kept launching rockets. Especially for the NRO. China is the one that needs catching up.
 
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GEO spy satellites is another area US definitely needs to try harder to catch up. Goes together with DF-21D ASBM and supercomputers.

I think US needs to invest more in science and technology. Apparently it's enough:lol:

Again, you do know the US have 10 Geo-Stationary Satellite over China and you don't have one over the US right?? Just a tiny little fact you may want to know...
 
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Please....:lol:

The PopSci crew was just being sensationalists and entertaining when they added something that they knew would be for shock value -- an aircraft carrier.

When you track something, you assign what we call a 'critical characteristic' to that something, which then change that something to target. That 'critical characteristic' can be a brief case that a man is carrying. Or to a police officer, a man wearing a hoodie jacket would be interesting. Or if you are a member of traffic, a truck's size would be a 'critical characteristic'. This is where the PopSci crew does not say about what make the aircraft carrier different from other vessels. Sure you can say what those unique things are, but does GF-4 satellite know ? So just because the satellite's sensor is outstanding, that does not mean it can recognize those 'critical characteristics'.
How do you know that the engineer and development team of GF-4 does not know about the characteristic/signature property of the AC? How do you know that Liaoning's experiment on the sea does not include gathering data of the AC's characteristic and tracking /targeting AC from the space? If you know so much, and care so much, why doesn't you tell us this critical characteristic of your AC?:D
 
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@Hu Songshan

Why did you delete my replies to the haters while still keeping their posts up?

My reply to post #49 was deleted where I said nothing wrong or provocative.

If you're going to delete my replies to haters, then delete the hater's post I replied to as well. You allow them to post any crap they want and when I reply, you remove my post while letting them off the hook.

I don't want to discuss this here, but this is getting ridiculous with the double standards.

Please delete this post after you read it.

Thanks
 
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How do you know that the engineer and development team of GF-4 does not know about the characteristic/signature property of the AC? How do you know that Liaoning's experiment on the sea does not include gathering data of the AC's characteristic and tracking /targeting AC from the space? If you know so much, and care so much, why doesn't you tell us this critical characteristic of your AC?:D
The point of my post (43) was about HOW would you discriminate one thing from a cluster of many things.

For an aircraft carrier, what characteristics does it shares with other vessels ? For starter, it must be at sea, correct ? So you toss that characteristic into the basket. Since the aircraft carrier is a surface vessel, its movements will be 2D, correct ? So you toss that into the basket. And so on. In designing a discrimination algorithm, you must have commonalities BEFORE you can execute that discrimination algorithm. It does not matter if your sensor is active like radar or passive like photo.

So for this PopSci article, just because the GF-4 have an outstanding photo sensor, what does it really mean ? It does not mean anything in itself. PopSci can only guess but it is boring to say that the GF-4 can 'track' an oil tanker or an ocean liner. So in view of the current US-China tension over the region, why not use an 'aircraft carrier' ? There has to be an 'Oooohh...Aaaahh' factor and you guys felled for it.
 
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Again, you do know the US have 10 Geo-Stationary Satellite over China and you don't have one over the US right?? Just a tiny little fact you may want to know...

You know China has nature shield of air pollution, fog, haze, dust storm. The 10 geo stationary satellite over China has no effect.
 
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You know China has nature shield of air pollution, fog, haze, dust storm. The 10 geo stationary satellite over China has no effect.


LOL..............I felt on the floor laughing........I hope that you are joking

But if not, then I can only tell you two words.

"Thermal Imagery" and "Infrared"

How do you know that the engineer and development team of GF-4 does not know about the characteristic/signature property of the AC? How do you know that Liaoning's experiment on the sea does not include gathering data of the AC's characteristic and tracking /targeting AC from the space? If you know so much, and care so much, why doesn't you tell us this critical characteristic of your AC?:D

Dude, as I said, you should not watch too much TV, that will make you further out of your reality.

The problem is, you are assuming a computer or super computer can do what your eye ball does, to recognize something by just looking at it. Problem is, it is Physically Impossible to ask a computer to recognize an image by simply looking at it, let alone it's "State". Let me tell you how this actually works

What you eye ball see is this

plan.jpg


However, what a computer see is this

0000000000000011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111000000000000000000
0000000000111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111110000000000000000
0000000011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111100000
0000011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
0011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
0001111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
0011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
0011111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
0000011111111100000111111111111111111111111111111111100000111111111111111111110000000000000
0000000111111100000111111111111111111111111111111111100000111111111111111110000000000000000

The computer, any computer in this world are operated in a binary sequence hence to represent any image, a series of 0 and 1 are used to represent it. In general term depends on the bit strength of your computer, you may have 16,32,64 0 and 1 to represent 1 single pixel.

Problem is, what a human eye can do is that we can look at an image and we can spot 4 things at the same time. Context (Is the edge rough or something) Contrast (White on Black or other color), Depth (The layer of an image) and General Shape (The outlining boundary of an image) However, for a computer, it can only see the general shape all the time, as this is what 0 and 1 construe, only 2 possibility a processor can accept as an instruction.

Now, do tell me how do you tell the above 0 and 1 image is a carrier equal to the picture you saw? It just doesn't, and the computer actually don't care what it is, as they only see 0 and 1. So it would then be a user input to tell the computer this is a carrier form that 0 and 1 map. But again, can you tell, just from the 0 and 1, that the above 0/1 map IS A CARRIER with your eyes?

The closest computer program that can smartly recognize shapes are facial recognition software. Which detect curves (the bit change from 0-1 or from 1-0) and compare the target image and see how similar those bits allocated. However, you are talking about a human face, which have millions of curves to compare, how many curvature did an aircraft carrier have compare to other ship of the same size??

Hence, unless someone, anyone starting to develop a 4-D or 5-D computer, computer itself cannot use it like that. Or maybe China already did have that kind of computer and then we should all just surrender.
 

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lol..............so one blogger called Jeffery Lin said it's the "World Most Powerful" then it is.

What does "World Most Powerful" satellite even means to begin with??

Again, whatever floats your boat man.
that 'blogger' is 100 times more creditable than an ignorant self claimed expert in everything```:blah:
anyway good luck with the catch-up``:lol:
 
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@Hu Songshan

Why did you delete my replies to the haters while still keeping their posts up?

My reply to post #49 was deleted where I said nothing wrong or provocative.

If you're going to delete my replies to haters, then delete the hater's post I replied to as well. You allow them to post any crap they want and when I reply, you remove my post while letting them off the hook.

I don't want to discuss this here, but this is getting ridiculous with the double standards.

Please delete this post after you read it.

Thanks
You should direct it to @WAJsal .
I received my first warning for Rules 101. I respect his ruling and I think he actually did a good job as he also deleted the posts of the guy who started the off thread trolling.

I also learnt that, instead of response to the trolling, we should report trolling from those members who only want to needle us. Can someone tell me how and what procedure to report false flag and trolling? Sorry for the off-thread talks again, but I really need to know this. Thanks a lot.
 
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So for this PopSci article, just because the GF-4 have an outstanding photo sensor, what does it really mean ? It does not mean anything in itself. PopSci can only guess but it is boring to say that the GF-4 can 'track' an oil tanker or an ocean liner. So in view of the current US-China tension over the region, why not use an 'aircraft carrier' ? There has to be an 'Oooohh...Aaaahh' factor and you guys felled for it.
No body will believe the goal for China spending hundreds of millions to put GF series to the obit is to look for the oil tankers at sea. It is the Chinese way of being diplomatic not to upset our American friend. But if you watch the Chinese video, you will comprehend more about what it is capable of.
For an aircraft carrier, what characteristics does it shares with other vessels ? For starter, it must be at sea, correct ? So you toss that characteristic into the basket. Since the aircraft carrier is a surface vessel, its movements will be 2D, correct ? So you toss that into the basket. And so on. In designing a discrimination algorithm, you must have commonalities BEFORE you can execute that discrimination algorithm. It does not matter if your sensor is active like radar or passive like photo.
That is why in addition to the current optical and heat sensors of GF4, GF3,to be launched in August by CZ-4B rocket,featuring a multi-polarized C-band SAR at meter-level resolution, is designed to detect 3D movements. You may argue that DF4 alone may not give you a conclusive and definite finding of what you seek for, but with GF family, which includes GF1/2/4, and upcoming GF3, to claim of tracking AC is not a remote assertion.
 
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that 'blogger' is 100 times more creditable than an ignorant self claimed expert in everything```:blah:
anyway good luck with the catch-up``:lol:

lol, from the article he wrote, I am 100% sure that even a floor mopping private in the US Army have better knowledge on how stuff work in the military than he does.....

Again, you are the one that needed catch up, but if you choose to see the stuff that happened since 2008 with the US never happens, then whatever make you happy.
 
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The point of my post (43) was about HOW would you discriminate one thing from a cluster of many things.

For an aircraft carrier, what characteristics does it shares with other vessels ? For starter, it must be at sea, correct ? So you toss that characteristic into the basket. Since the aircraft carrier is a surface vessel, its movements will be 2D, correct ? So you toss that into the basket. And so on. In designing a discrimination algorithm, you must have commonalities BEFORE you can execute that discrimination algorithm. It does not matter if your sensor is active like radar or passive like photo.

So for this PopSci article, just because the GF-4 have an outstanding photo sensor, what does it really mean ? It does not mean anything in itself. PopSci can only guess but it is boring to say that the GF-4 can 'track' an oil tanker or an ocean liner. So in view of the current US-China tension over the region, why not use an 'aircraft carrier' ? There has to be an 'Oooohh...Aaaahh' factor and you guys felled for it.

To be clear, a ultra sharp resolution means nothing in ISR sense, you (Human eyes) don't need to know all the detail to know that was a carrier, the fact that a higher resolution photo do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING other than not straining the dude that's unfortunate enough to have to look at the photo (I have done that a thousand time and I swear I can cross-eye now and I can't before)

That man don't know what resolution have no relation to how you can recognize a target, he just read something overinflated on a website, and then jump up for joy and refuse to believe when someone actually know that kind of stuff and then what did he do? Resort to personal insult like every other Chinese goonie......like in the movie.....

For people like us, a smile is all that warranted, and if he insist to make an arse out of himself, who are we to say he shouldn't?
 
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