Ganesha idols adorn Indian town before Hindu festival

[SanjeevaniButi]

Rig Vedas do explain about Swarg Lok, Narak Lok, Apsaras, Sid purush, Devas, Asura etc.

You should not talk about things you do not know.

Rg Veda do not talk about Swarag, narak apsara or sid purush. It talks about Purusha Sukta, which is the entire universe as being alive and conscious as we all being part of that consciousness.

It speaks of the original of all races, deva's and Auras being sons of Rishi Kashyapa (after whom KASHMIR is named).There is no "swarag" narak, only rebirth as a plant or insect or animal or man depending on your karma.

Rig Vedas do explain about the Supreme Creator and even give good info about the heavens and heavenly and celestial being and even about the galaxies etc.

Rig Vedas are still followed by Indians in its natural form and are dwelling in thier native lands.

Recently panchaloha idol was stolen from AnandawalleshwaramSri Mahadevar Temple in Kollam and its said to be 400 years old.

Now when we look at shiv ling



Ganesha is divine celestial being.

Rg Veda does not talk about a "creator". There is no creator, only a consciousness of which we are al part off.

BTW that idol is not of shiva, its of Vamana Avatar of Vishnu.

 

[Hindustani78]

You should not talk about things you do not know.

Rg Veda do not talk about Swarag, narak apsara or sid purush. It talks about Purusha Sukta, which is the entire universe as being alive and conscious as we all being part of that consciousness.

It speaks of the original of all races, deva's and Auras being sons of Rishi Kashyapa (after whom KASHMIR is named).There is no "swarag" narak, only rebirth as a plant or insect or animal or man depending on your karma.

Rg Veda does not talk about a "creator". There is no creator, only a consciousness of which we are al part off.

BTW that idol is not of shiva, its of Vamana Avatar of Vishnu.

The adobe of Yamaraj, the God of Death is Narak and adobe of Indra is Swarag.


About Savitri and Satyavan its mentioned in Rig vedas.



The Bhagavata Purana describes that Vishnu descended as the Vamana avatar to restore the authority of Indra over the heavens, as it had been taken by Mahabali, a benevolent Asura King. Bali was the great grandson of Hiranyakshipu, the grand son of Prahlada and son of Virochana.

By the way that picture shows Lord Vishnu as Chinese.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

The adobe of Yamaraj, the God of Death is Narak and adobe of Indra is Swarag.

About Savitri and Satyavan its mentioned in Rig vedas. .

Wrong. Rg veda talks of Yama but not of narak. It talks about Indra, but not about swarag.

It speaks of Surya as creator of life, Yama as his child, i.e. death (which is the child of life, since death is only possible if there is life).

Indra in sanskrit is awareness. He who is aware and in control, is the king of all he surveys. so Indra also means King or controller of destiny. In the Rg veda, Indra is the consciousness that make all things possible.

Outside the Rig veda, there are puranas. That is where you will find Indra which is the title given to the king of the gods. Anyone who becomes the king is called Indra. As per vishnu puran, the name of the current Indra is Purandara. Indra being the Positiion like "President".

Also Rig Veda talks about Savitr not Savitri .... savitr is also the name of surya, or sun. e.g. as in the Gayatri Mantra ... ....tat savitr varanyam....

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The Bhagavata Purana describes that Vishnu descended as the Vamana avatar to restore the authority of Indra over the heavens, as it had been taken by Mahabali, a benevolent Asura King. Bali was the great grandson of Hiranyakshipu, the grand son of Prahlada and son of Virochana.

By the way that picture shows Lord Vishnu as Chinese.

Again, Bhagavata Purana is NOT the Vedas. Its a Puran. Its totally different from the Vedas. Its only for Vishanvites.

As I said earlier, you are talking about things you do not understand. You only think that you understand. That is a lot worse.

Vishnu as vamana avatar was a dwarf. The murthy is made accordingly to highlight that deformity that will demonstrate dwarfism.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

The Bhagavata Purana describes that Vishnu descended as the Vamana avatar to restore the authority of Indra over the heavens, as it had been taken by Mahabali, a benevolent Asura King. Bali was the great grandson of Hiranyakshipu, the grand son of Prahlada and son of Virochana.
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I wanted to add something more which was left out from my earlier post.

In the Purana mentioned above, Maha Bali was a great Asura King, from the lineage of Prahalad the great Vishnu bhakt and for whoem Visha took the Narasimha Avatar.

However being a Asura, he was not educated in Dharma and hence was spreading Adharma as his kingdom expanded. He however was a good and great king and any sin's he did , he did in his ignorance.

Restoring the authority of Indra means restoring Dharma in all land, since Indra is the custodian of Dharma.

Which is why in Vamana Avatar Sri Vishnu did not kill Maha Bali but actually grated him Moksha in exchange for his kingdom.

Kerala will be celebrating this occasion as Onam Festival starting August 28 and this is the biggest festival in Kerala.

 

[Hindustani78]

Wrong. Rg veda talks of Yama but not of narak. It talks about Indra, but not about swarag.

It speaks of Surya as creator of life, Yama as his child, i.e. death (which is the child of life, since death is only possible if there is life).

Indra in sanskrit is awareness. He who is aware and in control, is the king of all he surveys. so Indra also means King or controller of destiny. In the Rg veda, Indra is the consciousness that make all things possible.

Outside the Rig veda, there are puranas. That is where you will find Indra which is the title given to the king of the gods. Anyone who becomes the king is called Indra. As per vishnu puran, the name of the current Indra is Purandara. Indra being the Positiion like "President".

Also Rig Veda talks about Savitr not Savitri .... savitr is also the name of surya, or sun. e.g. as in the Gayatri Mantra ... ....tat savitr varanyam....

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Again, Bhagavata Purana is NOT the Vedas. Its a Puran. Its totally different from the Vedas. Its only for Vishanvites.

As I said earlier, you are talking about things you do not understand. You only think that you understand. That is a lot worse.

Vishnu as vamana avatar was a dwarf. The murthy is made accordingly to highlight that deformity that will donate dwarfism.

You know this that Yamaraja is the God of Death , He is assisted by Chitragupta who records all the activities of the soul in one big book. Chitragupta keeps all the records of human beings on the earth.

Indra is the lord of IndraLok (heavens) and Vamana Avatar was to give back Indralok to Indra.

I have read most of the time about all this and now by saying like this you are trying to divide Rig Vedas. Swarag (Heaven) and Naraka (Hell) do exist in Hindu religon and even talk about life after death.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

You know this that Yamaraja is the God of Death , He is assisted by Chitragupta who records all the activities of the soul in one big book. Chitragupta keeps all the records of human beings on the earth.

Indra is the lord of IndraLok (heavens) and Vamana Avatar was to give back Indralok to Indra.

I have read most of the time about all this and now by saying like this you are trying to divide Rig Vedas. Swarag (Heaven) and Naraka (Hell) do exist in Hindu religon and even talk about life after death.

Yama is not the god of death. He is the guy who decides your fate after death. Surya's second son Shani is the one who decide your fate when you are alive. These relationship are symbolic since fate and death are both children of life. Sun being the giver of life.

Yama is also called kala or Dharma. He is the god of Dharma, the god supreme in the ways of dharma. Its popular tradition that makes him the "god of death".

All this however is not part of the Rg Veda.

The Purana's cannot and should not be read in isolation. That is when misconceptions are formed and concepts misinterpreted. They are a part of the Vedas, since veda's mean "Knowledge" and everything we know is knowledge and thus becomes part of the Veda's. However Veda's are divided and subdivided for ease of understanding.

The concept of Rebirth is explained and taught in the Chandogya Upanishad which like all Upanishads explain the philosophy of the Vedas. (since its in poetry form and again subject to misinterpretation based on intellect of the student)

The Vedic philosophy is quite clear about the soul merging with the super consciousness (moksha) after death. Yama being the judge of readiness.

The Only book that speaks about Swarag and narak for sinners is the Bhagavata Purana as the place you go BEFORE your Reincarnation. For pain and pleasure.

Chitragupt is never mentioned in the Vedas. He is introduced in the Puranas.

 

[SQ8]

We BELIEVE in IDOL Worship

Idols are an INTEGRAL part of Hinduism

No they are not. Ask the Arya Samaj people..

 

[Hindustani78]

Yama is not the god of death. He is the guy who decides your fate after death. Surya's second son Shani is the one who decide your fate when you are alive. These relationship are symbolic since fate and death are both children of life. Sun being the giver of life.

Yama is also called kala or Dharma. He is the god of Dharma, the god supreme in the ways of dharma. Its popular tradition that makes him the "god of death".

All this however is not part of the Rg Veda.

The Purana's cannot and should not be read in isolation. That is when misconceptions are formed and concepts misinterpreted. They are a part of the Vedas, since veda's mean "Knowledge" and everything we know is knowledge and thus becomes part of the Veda's. However Veda's are divided and subdivided for ease of understanding.

The concept of Rebirth is explained and taught in the Chandogya Upanishad which like all Upanishads explain the philosophy of the Vedas. (since its in poetry form and again subject to misinterpretation based on intellect of the student)

The Vedic philosophy is quite clear about the soul merging with the super consciousness (moksha) after death. Yama being the judge of readiness.

The Only book that speaks about Swarag and narak for sinners is the Bhagavata Purana as the place you go BEFORE your Reincarnation. For pain and pleasure.

Chitragupt is never mentioned in the Vedas. He is introduced in the Puranas.

Yamaraj do takes away the souls and this is the reason he is called as God of Death. Rig Vedas do talk about Swaraj and Narak and Indra is the lord of Indralok and Swarag comes in IndraLok and even Narak is mentioned in Rig Vedas.

The talk about rebirth is nothing but life after death.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

No they are not. Ask the Arya Samaj people..

The Arya Samaj speaks for itself, not for all Hindus.

Yamaraj do takes away the souls and this is the reason he is called as God of Death. Rig Vedas do talk about Swaraj and Narak and Indra is the lord of Indralok and Swarag comes in IndraLok and even Narak is mentioned in Rig Vedas.

The talk about rebirth is nothing but life after death.

There is not concept of "take away soul". That is for the noobs.

Life and death and existence is governed by karma and Rta. The same way the movements or electrons is governed by its own laws. No one removes an electron from one orbit to another. Same is true for souls.

IT (soul / aatma) moves from one body to another till its ready to be merged with the ( Everlasting soul / Param atma) The stories of the Puran is the help non philosophers understand how dharma and karma operate.

The same way Newtonian physics is taught before Quantum physics. Or Simple mathematics is taught before Calculus.

If you insist on claiming you know better, I suggest you come up with an authentic link for your claims.

 

[SQ8]

The Arya Samaj speaks for itself, not for all Hindus.

By that same logic you speak for yourself, and not all Hindus.. unless you are a hypocrite.

 

[SanjeevaniButi]

By that same logic you speak for yourself, and not all Hindus.. unless you are a hypocrite.

I never claimed to speak for all hindus

However I do claim to know the scriptures and quote from them so anyone who wishes to counter me can quote the scripture and prove me wrong.

 

[SQ8]

I never claimed to speak for all hindus

However I do claim to know the scriptures and quote from them so anyone who wishes to counter me can quote the scripture and prove me wrong.

The scriptures are open to various interpretation. And so your quotation will only reflect the meaning you believe in and so proving or not proving will be useless.

 

[Rau]

The Arya Samaj speaks for itself, not for all Hindus.

Its not like that yaar, They just follow the differant path...Idol worshiping is not necessary in Hinduism it just another way to connect and visualized the god...Nowhere is written that idol worshiping is compulsory...Just keep you faith in good Karma that's enough...

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The Arya Samaj speaks for itself, not for all Hindus.

NOBODY can speak for ALL Hindus......

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No they are not. Ask the Arya Samaj people..

Arya Samaj members and followers are NOT even ONE percent of The
Total Hindu Population

Arya Samaj started as a reform movement
Now that Most Hindus have become MODERN
Arya Samaj has LOST its Relevance

There too ; It is not as if they are strictly opposed to idols

That is the beauty of Hinduism

You can practice it as you like ; Nothing is FORCED in Hinduism ; nothing is compulsory

But 99 Percent Hindus practice idol worship

It gives us a FEELING of Directly LOOKING at GOD and Talking to
HIM / HER ( That depends on one's favourite deity )