future dog fights :D

[hboGYT]

Understand economics before jumping up and down......


China buys US treasury bonds from the money it earns from Export to US market.....all that US has to Do is print some more dollars and buy those treasury bills from China.....this will bring Dollar down in comparison to Chinese Yuan......so the Chinese exports will become expensive ...and US will start importing from countries which have week currency...or it will start manufacturing inside America...
thus bursting Chinese export oriented economy.....into overcapacity and a huge workforce to feed with less orders.......

Why do you think Chinese leaders are fighting hard to stop Yuan from appreciating..... if Yuan appreciates....exports in dollars also come down....

Learn before you .....you know what....

Now repeat after me .....Depreciation of Dollar against Yuan= Trouble for Chinese economy...which is export dependent.

Really? I thought Yuan was pegged to the Dollar. Lol

If it's so simple as you make it be, then why did the US treasury need to sell those notes to start with?

International markets can't force anything, the Chinese reserve bank won't allow too big a movement in exchange rate no matter how strong the forces of demand and supply are out there.

Yuan has already been appreciating constantly for the past years since it was partially floated. Old factories build low end low profit products are closing, new factories higher in the value-adding chain are rising. One way or another, China progresses, there's nothing anyone can do about it. Lol. Try and stop us.

This future dogfights show is complete bull. The gen 4 fighters would have known of the incoming missiles by their MAWs anyway. And howcome dodging missiles using super-manoeuvrablilty only works for the Americans? Why are only their flare and chaff so effective? the pugachev's cobra part makes me speechless.

 

[gambit]

the pugachev's cobra part makes me speechless.

Sorry to hear that. It is nothing new to US...

John Boyd - USAF, The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare

As an instructor at the Fighter Weapons School (FWS) at Nellis AFB, he fought students, cadre pilots, Marine and Navy pilots, and pilots from a dozen countries, who were attending the FWS as part of the Mutual Defense Assistance Pact.

He never lost.

Boyd was famous for a maneuver he called "flat-plating the bird." He would be in the defensive position with a challenger tight on his tail, both pulling heavy Gs, when he would suddenly pull the stick full aft, brace his elbows on either side of the cockpit, so the stick would not move laterally, and stomp the rudder. It was as if a manhole cover were sailing through the air and then suddenly flipped 90 degrees. The underside of the fuselage, wings, and horizontal stabilizer became a speed brake that slowed the Hun from 400 knots to 150 knots in seconds. The pursuing pilot was thrown forward and now Boyd was on his tail radioing "Guns. Guns. Guns."

Try not to be so gullible with the Russian junks next time.

 

[BATMAN]

In near future USAF will be operating in conjuction with UACV armed with A2A missiles and or only radars.
I wonder what are the limits of such UAVCs? altitude, perhaps!
This is the main reason why US did not let Pakistanis get close to its UAV.

I also think USAF have much more secrets in their kitty but their limitations are field stations and logistics support!

 

[Sapper]

Future UAV's are essentially fighter/bombers aircrafts without the pilot.

There are Three Kinds.

1. Fully Autonomous ... They are given a task, and they do it with their own calculating minds and decide for themselves what to attack and what not to attack in runtime.
Advantages:
No Communication after launch
No Chance of Signal Hijacking
Disadvantages:
Little or No Control after launch
Much chance of fratricides due to lack of data
False targeting based on incomplete data
No Mission Diversity due to pre-programmed mission

2. Semi Autonomous ... They are given instruction, go there, do that, but when it comes to actual action decisions, a human far far away makes the key decisions at mission critical times only.
Advantages:
Communication at Mission Critical Times Only
Little Chance of Signal Hijacking
Disadvantages:
Communication at mission critical times can be jammed
Lag between presenting a situation and receiving actionable response
Little Chance of Signal Hijacking

3. Non Autonomous ... Current UAVs mostly lie in this category where a pilot is flying and "hunting" and the "killer" is targeting and launching weapons.
Advantages:
Least Chance of Fratricides
Live detailed response
Greater Situational Awareness
Mission Diversity based on developing situations
Disadvantages:
Communication at mission critical times can be jammed
Live Communication constantly threatened by Signal Hijacking


1 is a big no-no, for reference watch I-Robot, BattleStar Galactica, Terminator etc etc.
2 is what most would prefer but the technology, especially AI/ANN are still under developed to be used in our life-times.

3 is where we are and what will happen in near future as well, but even then, why would you risk a 50~100 million dollar machine to rely solely on a communication system which can be broken with EM pulses, Intense Signal Cluttering, EW Jamming and possible communication infrastructure damage.

Its better just to use a pilot.

Regards,
Sapper

 

[zagahaga]

get back to the topic people russia vs. america who would win ? its about their planes not FUTURE OF CHINA OR AMERICA ....

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

When F22 will be locking their targets won't they give up their location. you can detect their radars.

 

[Storm Force]

Stealth tech means the USA fighters and their allies like Israel and UK will reign supreme until they meet their match. (probably the pak fa fgfa)

Its a testimoney to SU30MKI & RAFAEL & mig35 that they are considered BEST of any potential threat to F22 TODAY.

I also like the sound of TVC be it on F22 or SU30MKI AND THE huge advantage it gives in tighter rolls turns etc. in dog fights. SU30MKI is considered a formidable dog fighter due its TVC advantage.

Personally i cant wait until India/Russia unveil the PAK FA in the next few months.

 

[hboGYT]

Sorry to hear that. It is nothing new to US...

John Boyd - USAF, The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of Air Warfare

Try not to be so gullible with the Russian junks next time.

YOu misunderstood. I was speechless to the utter stupidity of that F-22 winning the dogfight by executing the cobra manoeuvre.

 

[zagahaga]

f 22 dont have real TV on 2d but russians have 3d but the question is why spend soo much money when you cant detect them on radar !!!

 

[BATMAN]

Stealth tech means the USA fighters and their allies like Israel and UK will reign supreme until they meet their match. (probably the pak fa fgfa)

Its a testimoney to SU30MKI & RAFAEL & mig35 that they are considered BEST of any potential threat to F22 TODAY.

I also like the sound of TVC be it on F22 or SU30MKI AND THE huge advantage it gives in tighter rolls turns etc. in dog fights. SU30MKI is considered a formidable dog fighter due its TVC advantage.

Personally i cant wait until India/Russia unveil the PAK FA in the next few months.

My dear indian friend.........stealth is good for starting the war but when first strike is over stealth part is very much over. this means there is no chance of free run second time.

SU30 will be shot down within seconds if it comes face to face with F-16. wonder why india is considering to buy F-16 for its advance MRCA?

 

[gambit]

When F22 will be locking their targets won't they give up their location. you can detect their radars.

Try to understand this combination...If planforming make the F-22's body 'low observable' to enemy radars, then using low probability of interception (LPI) radar mode make the F-22's radar emissions also 'low observable' to enemy's radar warning receivers. Both factors are enablers for the F-22 to get closer to its enemy. The closer it gets to the enemy, the shorter the flight time the missile and the shorter the flight time for the missile the shorter the response time for the target -- KA-BLOOOEEEEYYY !!! -- goes the Russian (or Chinese) junk.

Please do not fall for the often spouted argument that when the F-22 opens its weapons bay it will compromise its low observability factor. In theory...Yes...But the F-22 is also self aware of its RCS in respect to the seeking radar. Meaning the F-22's own radar warning receiver (RWR) set working with the flight control computer (FLCS) will calculate the lowest possible RCS that can be presented in that direction and will adjust its flight attitude accordingly. It also mean the F-22 will briefly adjust its flight attitude to mask the weapons bay door opening, which is about one second or less duration anyway, from the seeking radar, to launch its AMRAAM. The radar will continue to be in LPI mode and update the missile until the time the missile's radar go active. By then it will be too late for the target.

All of this, especially the flight attitude adjustment to mask the weapons bay door opening, occurs with almost no pilot inputs. This is the core of sensor and data fusion avionics, everything from obeying stick inputs to weapons release -- Obey pilot commands but reduce his workload in executing those commands.

 

[gambit]

My dear indian friend.........stealth is good for starting the war but when first strike is over stealth part is very much over. this means there is no chance of free run second time.

Please stop producing nonsensical comments like this.

 

[hboGYT]

Try to understand this combination...If planforming make the F-22's body 'low observable' to enemy radars, then using low probability of interception (LPI) radar mode make the F-22's radar emissions also 'low observable' to enemy's radar warning receivers. Both factors are enablers for the F-22 to get closer to its enemy. The closer it gets to the enemy, the shorter the flight time the missile and the shorter the flight time for the missile the shorter the response time for the target -- KA-BLOOOEEEEYYY !!! -- goes the Russian (or Chinese) junk.

Please do not fall for the often spouted argument that when the F-22 opens its weapons bay it will compromise its low observability factor. In theory...Yes...But the F-22 is also self aware of its RCS in respect to the seeking radar. Meaning the F-22's own radar warning receiver (RWR) set working with the flight control computer (FLCS) will calculate the lowest possible RCS that can be presented in that direction and will adjust its flight attitude accordingly. It also mean the F-22 will briefly adjust its flight attitude to mask the weapons bay door opening, which is about one second or less duration anyway, from the seeking radar, to launch its AMRAAM. The radar will continue to be in LPI mode and update the missile until the time the missile's radar go active. By then it will be too late for the target.

All of this, especially the flight attitude adjustment to mask the weapons bay door opening, occurs with almost no pilot inputs. This is the core of sensor and data fusion avionics, everything from obeying stick inputs to weapons release -- Obey pilot commands but reduce his workload in executing those commands.

But the MAW will give them a chance right?

 

[Dark Angel]

My dear indian friend.........stealth is good for starting the war but when first strike is over stealth part is very much over. this means there is no chance of free run second time.

SU30 will be shot down within seconds if it comes face to face with F-16. wonder why india is considering to buy F-16 for its advance MRCA?

Only god knows where ur logic comes from, even without the upgrade su30mki has an edge over f16, now i know ur gonna start ur BS abt cross section radar of su30mki as u apart from most others do dont forget that it has a more powerful radar than f16 u have

 

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by BATMAN
SU30 will be shot down within seconds if it comes face to face with F-16. wonder why india is considering to buy F-16 for its advance MRCA?

“The Russian side has offered an upgrade of the aircraft with incorporation of the latest technologies during the major overhaul and this will come up for discussion,” Defence Ministry spokesperson Sitanshu Kar said.

The IAF is keen to get a more powerful radar for its fighters that will give it an increased detection range as well as the ability to fire longer range weapons. The IAF eventually wants the Su-30MKIs to have an Active Electonically Scanned Array radar, that is also one of the main requirements of the on going fighter trials to purchase 126 fighters.

Lets see abt who shots who in seconds after the upgrades ......