FT: White House no longer sees anything special in UK relations

[Optimos Prime IA]

Lol very funny header . No one cares about UK anymore . Even India omitted UK during Europe visit .

A large proportion of these are Sikhs who identify with Khalistan not India.
And the British economy is 50 percent larger than the Indian economy. This is despite having less than one twentieth of India's population.

Steve I have been to UK and been there for many years for my studies . Regardless of what ppl may say I have lots of respect for UK for your well planed system in place . I have enjoyed your free medical centers and fabulous girls , clubs etc. But my brother don't you think Country us going thru very tough times nowadays? I really wonder how you have managed to pay so much money for unemployed , pregnant women , and after baby born its really fabulous . And comparable to heaven it's like giving free money to people every month. Which we poor Indians can't as we will go broke in a month with 1.25 millions stomach to feed .And what you seeing today in India is not because of politicians but purely because of hard working Indians who work in worst conditions to feed his family and pay taxes for the govt while buying chocolates to Benz . And am sure the way economy conditions of both our countries India will over take Brits in defense spending to GDP . I wonder how you gona support or play a devil's advocate by claiming all is well but get real mate the numbers you put is just in general. But I must day as am Indian I never ever enjoyed a meat of Indian govt growth other than public services. ABut am starting to feel the new breeze of improvement in many fields .

Am sure it will take another 30 years to turn India into UK standard of living but am sure when you came.with size of your nation and population numbers India will easily over throw UK . Ad our aim is to over take China at any cost. Its just like playing a game called Age of empire mate . When your neighborhood grows u need to match them at any cost

 

[Ceonwulf]

@Ceonwulf - LOL, who do you think you are? You are just an ordinary chinese and unlike a democracy chinese have no say in their state policy. Your opinion on India makes no difference to ground realities. So keep your opinion and fake apologies to yourself pal, it does not matter to anybody.

I had clearly stated why english influence is declining and why england is a nobody. And all you could come up with is a tally of olympic medals, how poor India is and your obsession with english servitude. In short you were trolling because you are too dumb to talk facts.

You are a sorry excuse for a person who suffers from a deep rooted inferiority complex who cannot see the changing ground realities.



It is not both of the countries but India who had a bigger share in past history but unfortunately that was in the past. India used to account for almost 25 percent of world GDP. No other country came that close. It was this very wealth of India that attracted so many invaders.

India had suffered economically thanks to European colonialism. The british were there but so were the dutch (who later made an early exit), the french and also the portugese. But what hurt India most was the socialist economic model. If India had adopted for a fair, honest and competitive market economy then the boom you are seeing since the 90s could have been achieved by the 70s.

But this thread is not about India but the decline of england and english influence.

The english had influence till the end of second world war, while some would argue that the start of second world war itself signalled the end of english influence and the emergence of US and USSR as new world powers. The Suez Canal crisis was the final nail in the coffin where an adventurous english-french invasion was scuttled under US pressure. The english were never the same again and constantly hid behind American shadows.

England on its own cannot influence or command international events or lobby against other country's foreign policy. The US can, not england. And this is a plain fact which some blind english fan boys here cannot see or refuse to see. New economies are emerging and england will be pushed back further and further away like it is being pushed now.

Talk about england in THIS thread if you can.

I am not here to sing false praises of any country here or wrongly degrade any country. If people don't like reading facts then it is a sign of their inferiority complex and it is their problem.

Dude get over it and stop being butt hurt about Britain. Nobody cares what you have to say because everything you say is pure garbage nonsense.

You have ignored every link I have showed you which says the UK has a larger economy than India, larger exporter than India, larger oil producer than India and has a faster growing and larger economy than Brazil and Russia.

So the fact is, if the UK is irrelevant then so too must India, Brazil and Russia.

Now stop being Butt hurt about Britain because they still have a larger economy than India.

Like US the Russians also have a sizeable population which means greater labour force. The english cannot match the labour force - skilled and unskilled - of either Russia or USA. And in coming years and a decade or two the english won't be able to match the labour force of emerging economies.

Funny that, because even with all of Russia's landmass and huge population - the UK labour force is still more productive than Russia and has built a far far larger economy than Russia. So what your saying is pure nonsense.

From a strictly pragmatic point of view it would serve US more if they engage Germany in Europe, Russia and a certain mammoth country in Asia which has naked hegemonistic ambitions in SEA.

Germany might be feasible but Russia and the Asian are off-limits for obvious reasons.

I am sure if the USA thought Germany was a better ally, then they would court Germany instead of Britain. But the fact is, the USA doesn't and still prefers Britain as their number 1 ally. Ultimately this says it all really.

Militarily both US and Russia are heavy weights as seen by the crisis in ME and Ukraine. How many battles has england fought ALONE? How many military equipment has england exported? How many countries use english tanks, fighter jets, ships, missiles? The world arms market is dominated by US and Russia. Even France has a better military export routine than the english who fail miserably in coming up with modern weapon systems..

The Top 20 Arms Exporters, 2009–2014

According to SIPRI, UK is the 6th largest arms exporter in the world. India doesn't even get mentioned in the list.

Countries like Uzbekistan and Ukraine are larger arms exporters than India!!!

 

[Steve781]

Lol very funny header . No one cares about UK anymore . Even India omitted UK during Europe visit .



Steve I have been to UK and been there for many years for my studies . Regardless of what ppl may say I have lots of respect for UK for your well planed system in place . I have enjoyed your free medical centers and fabulous girls , clubs etc. But my brother don't you think Country us going thru very tough times nowadays? I really wonder how you have managed to pay so much money for unemployed , pregnant women , and after baby born its really fabulous . And comparable to heaven it's like giving free money to people every month. Which we poor Indians can't as we will go broke in a month with 1.25 millions stomach to feed .And what you seeing today in India is not because of politicians but purely because of hard working Indians who work in worst conditions to feed his family and pay taxes for the govt while buying chocolates to Benz . And am sure the way economy conditions of both our countries India will over take Brits in defense spending to GDP . I wonder how you gona support or play a devil's advocate by claiming all is well but get real mate the numbers you put is just in general. But I must day as am Indian I never ever enjoyed a meat of Indian govt growth other than public services. ABut am starting to feel the new breeze of improvement in many fields .

Am sure it will take another 30 years to turn India into UK standard of living but am sure when you came.with size of your nation and population numbers India will easily over throw UK . Ad our aim is to over take China at any cost. Its just like playing a game called Age of empire mate . When your neighborhood grows u need to match them at any cost

I wouldn't have criticised India if an Indian hadn't criticised my country. I have no quarrel with India.

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

I wouldn't have criticised India if an Indian hadn't criticised my country. I have no quarrel with India.

But still you don't answer my question on financial situation of UK . Are you happy with that ? Don't you think you already messed up your civil situation by given too much rights so religious groups are taking center stage . And they launched protest to convert Bakimgam Palace into Mosque .That too if Queen can't convert into Islam she can leave UK !!!

And what about racism mate ? Are you sure a white male alone with his gf at the middle if then night ?

 

[Indian Patriot]

I wouldn't have criticised India if an Indian hadn't criticised my country. I have no quarrel with India.

Shut up you 12 year old. Your country is not immune from criticism, this is a defence forum where the positives or negatives of a country will be discussed. If you find that so offensive you should play with your lego toys.

And yes, england is a political joke.

 

[Ceonwulf]

But still you don't answer my question on financial situation of UK . Are you happy with that ? Don't you think you already messed up your civil situation by given too much rights so religious groups are taking center stage . And they launched protest to convert Bakimgam Palace into Mosque .That too if Queen can't convert into Islam she can leave UK !!!

And what about racism mate ? Are you sure a white male alone with his gf at the middle if then night ?

I think the UKs financial problems are much better compared to the rest of Europe, and even some BRIC countries like Brazil and Russia.

When you look at the IMFs forecasts, the Eurozone is stagnant and barely growing at 0.5 - 1%. The UK is growing at a respectable average of 2.5% which is very good for a developed country, thanks to their strong pound and financial banking sector.

Brazil economy will shrink by around -1% this year and Russia is expected to shrink -4.7% this year.

There is not serious threat of the UK becoming a Muslim state. Radical Islam is an extreme minority in the UK and is as worthless and useless as English extremism like the BNP or EDL. None have any power to change the countries law or gain power.

In my visits to London I felt safe, probably because it is very multicultural and all these people just want to get on with their lives. But maybe if I went to an all white area I would receive racism.

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

I think the UKs financial problems are much better compared to the rest of Europe, and even some BRIC countries like Brazil and Russia.

When you look at the IMFs forecasts, the Eurozone is stagnant and barely growing at 0.5 - 1%. The UK is growing at a respectable average of 2.5% which is very good for a developed country, thanks to their strong pound and financial banking sector.

Brazil economy will shrink by around -1% this year and Russia is expected to shrink -4.7% this year.

There is not serious threat of the UK becoming a Muslim state. Radical Islam is an extreme minority in the UK and is as worthless and useless as English extremism like the BNP or EDL. None have any power to change the countries law or gain power.

In my visits to London I felt safe, probably because it is very multicultural and all these people just want to get on with their lives. But maybe if I went to an all white area I would receive racism.

U went to London and felt safe ? Are you sure ? Which part if London to went? When I visited london I felt like lost my mind .

I took a bus to London. Once we entered London central I was baffled by large and huge buildings like I saw in Bollywood movies . Then got down and took another bus to West Croydon . As bus traveled slowly I started to see very typical Indian cities kind of feel . pan masala packets all over streets , garbage disposal out in the open , red slit marks ever 2 feets of the pavement . wow whole lots of gansters man . That day an Indian was shot dead just a day before . And my friend said its normal in London LOL. My white gf is was so afraid she insisted me not roam around alone at night.

And in many cities its even worse Some people called Junkies ready to kill Indian students just for cigarette in Glasgow . LOL funny when you said U felt safe in London as if you went inside warzone . Blacks , Pakistanis , Indians and even Srilankan Tamils rules many parts of UK.

On economy : You itself stated UK economic forecast is 2.5 but you got reservations for 7-8% Indian economy ? Our size , population and GDP growth is our plus . Force multiplier . Late populations will move forward as middle-class and middle-class becoming upper middle-class. In just fee years India will overtake UK with ease . Both in economic and military front .

 

[boomslang]

No my friend. What is rich is that hundreds of thousands of Indians have migrated to england and turning it into another India. LOL!!!.......

I LOVE it when 'those countries' try to tell the west how much of a dump we are. FUNNY !! The U.S. has had tons of Indians migrate here, too. They fetch us our donuts a Dunkin Donuts and pump our gas. Way to 'contribute'.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I LOVE it when 'those countries' try to tell the west how much of a dump we are. FUNNY !! The U.S. has had tons of Indians migrate here, too. They fetch us our donuts a Dunkin Donuts and pump our gas. Way to 'contribute'.

welcome back buddy

re topic of the post

I need your response from American point of view
(in case the said claim is true)

• is the reduced NATO spending the main reason for this cooling down of relationship or is it the current government
• there is divided opinion about keeping the UK's trident missile deterrent. how much is that affecting UK/ US relation?
• is the relation not beyond the Britain's military muscle? Britain does offer the diplomatic support as well doesn't it? and then there is the mutual cooperation on economic front as well?
• on the diplomatic side both UK/ US have almost identical world view.

so would you rubbish this claim of cooling down of relations or is there some truth there?

 

[boomslang]

welcome back buddy

Thanks.

re topic of the post

I need your response from American point of view
(in case the said claim is true)

• is the reduced NATO spending the main reason for this cooling down of relationship or is it the current government

No, but they ARE 'violating' a term of NATO's agreement to spend X amount on defence. (along with most other NATO members)

• there is divided opinion about keeping the UK's trident missile deterrent. how much is that affecting UK/ US relation?

I don't know.

• is the relation not beyond the Britain's military muscle? Britain does offer the diplomatic support as well doesn't it? and then there is the mutual cooperation on economic front as well?

Sure. Just our histories are enough to expect a close relationship.

• on the diplomatic side both UK/ US have almost identical world view.

True.
so would you rubbish this claim of cooling down of relations or is there some truth there?

It's ALL bullshit. We're fine.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

It's ALL bullshit. We're fine.

your word counts more than some smooth talking elitist on the TV who lacks the ability of straight answer.
thanks

why I care? well UK is my second home.

 

[Audio]

Am sure it will take another 30 years to turn India into UK standard of living

Stop joking.

 

[Indian Patriot]

I LOVE it when 'those countries' try to tell the west how much of a dump we are. FUNNY !! The U.S. has had tons of Indians migrate here, too. They fetch us our donuts a Dunkin Donuts and pump our gas. Way to 'contribute'.

What is so wrong in criticism? If you "countries in the west" can go halfway round the world to bomb other countries what is wrong in introspection?

And what is so special about USA? A country with every sixth American surviving on food stamps, unemployment on rise, middle class fast becoming extinct, service jobs poached by Indians, ghost cities aka detroit coming up, economy on the slump, homeless population on the rise, crime rates as pathetic as 3rd world countries, gun violence as pathetic as afghanistan, an unprecedented race tension, and a world record debt.

Them Indians fecth you donuts while your white skinned American population survives on food stamps. There are over 20 million ILLEGAL south American migrants in USA and they are eating off the US economy one way or the other. Either they take up American jobs like filling gas stations or they survive on welfare and thus effing up US taxpayers money.

What exactly are you so happy about?

 

[Ceonwulf]

BTW I put Indian Patriot guy on ignore yesterday because he is just a butt hurt Indian and keeps on saying illogical BS that makes no sense.

It's ALL bullshit. We're fine.

I agree. The OP news article is just sensationalist journalism meant to grab readers attention.

Stop joking.

I agree. It will take India more like 300 years before they are as rich as the British.

U went to London and felt safe ? Are you sure ? Which part if London to went? When I visited london I felt like lost my mind .

I took a bus to London. Once we entered London central I was baffled by large and huge buildings like I saw in Bollywood movies . Then got down and took another bus to West Croydon . As bus traveled slowly I started to see very typical Indian cities kind of feel . pan masala packets all over streets , garbage disposal out in the open , red slit marks ever 2 feets of the pavement . wow whole lots of gansters man . That day an Indian was shot dead just a day before . And my friend said its normal in London LOL. My white gf is was so afraid she insisted me not roam around alone at night.

And in many cities its even worse Some people called Junkies ready to kill Indian students just for cigarette in Glasgow . LOL funny when you said U felt safe in London as if you went inside warzone . Blacks , Pakistanis , Indians and even Srilankan Tamils rules many parts of UK.

On economy : You itself stated UK economic forecast is 2.5 but you got reservations for 7-8% Indian economy ? Our size , population and GDP growth is our plus . Force multiplier . Late populations will move forward as middle-class and middle-class becoming upper middle-class. In just fee years India will overtake UK with ease . Both in economic and military front .

I never said Indian growth is bad. I just said it doesn't matter how big a population or landmass is - the first priority is having high-tech infrastructure and a modern efficient workforce. This is why UK economic growth and UK economy is higher than BRIC countries like Brazil or Russia - even though Brazil and Russia have huge populations and landmass.

America has huge population and landmass, yet in 2014 UK economy grew the same average of 2.5% as USA.

Yes, India will overtake UK economy sometime post 2020. But lets also remember that in 2008 people were saying India would overtake UK before 2015... it never happened.

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

BTW I put Indian Patriot guy on ignore yesterday because he is just a butt hurt Indian and keeps on saying illogical BS that makes no sense.



I agree. The OP news article is just sensationalist journalism meant to grab readers attention.


I agree. It will take India more like 300 years before they are as rich as the British.



I never said Indian growth is bad. I just said it doesn't matter how big a population or landmass is - the first priority is having high-tech infrastructure and a modern efficient workforce. This is why UK economic growth and UK economy is higher than BRIC countries like Brazil or Russia - even though Brazil and Russia have huge populations and landmass.

America has huge population and landmass, yet in 2014 UK economy grew the same average of 2.5% as USA.

Yes, India will overtake UK economy sometime post 2020. But lets also remember that in 2008 people were saying India would overtake UK before 2015... it never happened.

UK's infra was developed with many means Luke money u had but as now you need to earn for maintaining the status quo and grow further . here us where current and future GDP growth comes to play . Am sure you are aware of the fact UK is known as boring old country. With wear and tear all over the overall infra .US too facing the same problem of renewing old infras like roads bridges etc. And not saying India is developed to the standard of US or UK. But things are changing in overall infrastructure but too little in interior areas . But it doest have to be less growth of the country .Soon India will over take UK militarily and economically . Where as UK will go thru lots of problem starting from medi care , well paid jobs , new infrastructure development free education etc. Just think man how many UK citizens have decent jobs ? Half of them work part time and get benefits from govt. Once government ran out of its reserves how will these part time jobs help citizens ? That's the point am making here . You are now debating on whether to maintain nuclear sub's or spend it on public use. You are too weak for super powers like US or growing power like India to give up some thing to do business with you . Don't you think Indian PM deliberately avoided UK during his Europe trip ? You got nothing to offer anymore. Your days are long gone and done . India inching closer to close technological gaps and our military is very stronger than UKs . In 10 years it will be like comparing India with South Africa . India will hav more capable infrastructure , money, technology , military than UK .