Frustration over delay in CSF reimbursements

[equiliz3r]

Joint or not, at least Pakistan cooperated with USA right?Furthermore if that is not enough for you, there are many threads especially on Pakistan war, in which Pakistan captured other military commanders.


Think again, do you think the money we recieved during the Musharraf regime was more or equivalent to 35B USD?NO! It wasn't.And even so, it is still not related to the fact that WoT has caused major damage to Pakistan economy






How many suicide attacks do you see in Jordan than in Pakistan. Who suffered the most?How badly affected was Jordan economy because of Al Qaeda?


True, Pakistan is helping herself, and helping USA at the same time, by preventing the use of the Mountain areas as safe havens, so please, if you think Pakistan hasn't done enough think again.

whats if Pakistan dont fight???
will surely fall.
whats if america dont fight, America will not faall but will b haviing attacks etc.

so who iss at risk.

Shouldnt Pakistan be thankful to USA for helping her???
Take as much US is given...............now this is no longer America's war, Its Pakistan's war for servival

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I agree we , we have killed all Talibans in Pakistan so we need to move into Afghanistan to finish the job , a 10 billion dollar aid , 80 helicopters and weapons are needed to her curb the taliban and bring Afghanistan under Pakistan rule...

US can save 800 billion / year it wastes in Afghanistan if it just let us take care of business ...we know the terrain ...

REAL SUPPORT

Just provide us the 80 or so helicopters attack ones, and proper financial support and taliaban will be history

I mean really here is what we need

2 Of these for troops , 1 extra for supplies


20 of these

80 of these

10 of these

100 of these


10 of these

- 10 Billion dollar for our Army to be used for our National defence needs
- Access to Patriot Missile defence system

And we will go in wipe out Talibans in 2 month operation "CLEANUP BAD TALIBAN"



After Successfull completion you give us

30/60 of these , as these are already surplus to US needs
and ideally with this dark black camo

and

40 Cruseder Class Howitzers (New Ones) not the obsolete ones from ww2
with an option to order 40 more

This is called a proper way to FINISH OFF TALIBANS not red tape shananigans

 

[ameer219]

whats if Pakistan dont fight???
will surely fall.
whats if america dont fight, America will not faall but will b haviing attacks etc.

so who iss at risk.

Shouldnt Pakistan be thankful to USA for helping her???
Take as much US is given...............now this is no longer America's war, Its Pakistan's war for servival

What are you talking about, which statement are you rebutting?


War of survival?You are speaking as if the Taliban has the capacity to take over the whole Pakistan, just like the media stated of the takeover of Pakistan's nuclear assets. Its totally absurd to say something like this sir.

I dont mean to deviate from the topic, but for example, the Maoist is in India, which has reportedly occupied 1/3 of India, isn't it India's war on survival too sir?Well this is just a question of thought.

The question is not whether Pakistan will fight or not fight, its already a fact Pakistan is already fighting the Taliban, and you can see now how serious Pakistan is on taking back its territories from the Taliban.To state that Pakistan was never serious in taking action is totally false, as Pakistan has sacrificed so much already.


Oh really? So if USA is really helping Pakistan, why does it need helps with NATO trucks moving to Afghanistan. Why does it keep persisting Pakistan to go after Afghan Taliban? Please sir, both help each other, that is why most media are using the word "cooperate" instead of of "helping".

 

[Spring Onion]

CSF reimbursements

Dawn Editorial
Thursday, 04 Mar, 2010

Pakistan’s efforts to fight terrorism are running into financial troubles on account of a trust deficit between Islamabad and Washington. The US has refused to reimburse fully the claim made by Pakistan from the Coalition Support Fund for 2008.

Under an agreement between the two governments the US is required to repay Pakistan “legitimate expenditure” incurred in support of its military operations. But over the years this process has not only slowed down, it has also become complex leading to delays and shortfalls.

For 2008, Pakistan has received only $897m for its claim of $1.4bn. What one can make out from the report of the General Accountability Office is that the US Defence Department has tightened its guidelines to validate the reimbursement claims emanating from Islamabad. Comments such as “inadequate substantiation” and “compensation for collateral damage not reimbursable” pepper the report.

The question is: why? It seems that on several occasions Pakistan has failed to provide proper documentation and receipts while in other cases it has pressed for claims that are, at best, only very distantly related to the programme in question. And yet the fact of the matter is that the sums involved are a mere rounding error for the US: what after all is half a billion for a country that spends hundreds of billions of dollars yearly on its defence?

It is telling that the rate of rejection of claims has risen to 35 per cent for 2008 compared to a mere two per cent for January 2004 to August 2006. What appears to be behind the get-tough approach, then, is more than good accounting standards.

The CSF appears to have become another lever for the Americans to press the Pakistanis in a difficult relationship fraught with mutual suspicion. The impact, though, should not be exaggerated: cooperation between the two countries is continuing on many other fronts and fiscally the IMF is still taking a benign view of Pakistan’s escalating budget deficit. And yet it is totally unnecessary: Pakistanis using delay tactics over visas; Americans choking CSF flows — both sides need to stop needling the other on peripheral issues.

 

[Cityboy]

Us can never be a trusted ally..they alwayz see their interest first and can left any ally at any time

 

[All-Green]

But Sir, Pakistan has already done its part by arresting the 2nd commander of Taliban,and many other leaders. is'nt that something too?

wasnt that a joint operation??



Pakistan's hands are full, because of the Afghan war, many Taliban have translocated themselves to the mountains of Pakistan, and its unfair to say Pakistan is not doing its job, because its already trying to eliminate the Taliban from its soil using the mountains as a safe heaven.

well Jordon is also fighting with Al aeada at its land.
They are not making such demands for money etc.
Also it is responsiblity of country to prevent its area to be used for unlawful terror activities.
So whats new Pakistan is doing.................Trying to gain back its lost area .......................Pakistan is helping herself

You also have to understand Pakistan's battered economy. We were happily on our own as the 2nd fastest growing economy, until all this happened, and resulted in loss of35 billion USD in economy.

Whoes fault is this???
There was a Interview of General Musharraf in which he said army used money of US to build arsenal against neighbouring country

This ignorance amazes me since we on this forum have clarified time and again what Musharraf said, i hope this was not deliberate on your part and that you have commented without seeing the interview firsthand.

If i buy bulletproof vests, NVG, assault rifles etc. for my strike divisions and then they are eventually rotated out to the eastern border shall i ask them to leave the equipment alone?
Musharraf said what anyone with sense would say, the armament was used to equip our soldiers fighting to protect Pakistan against terrorists but if we are at war with India ofcourse it shall be used for defense of Pakistan against India because guess what...we have the same set of soldiers to defend us!

Do not compare Jordan with Pakistan, the threat faced by Pakistan is much more dangerous and of an entirely different scale, the Afghan War has left many hundreds of thousands trained in the art of war, with unfilled bellies and many other factors there are many mercenaries and guns for hire in this region...an entirely different level of warfare altogether which demands a lot of sacrifice and colossal effort.

No doubt countries should strive to eliminate terrorism and be responsible, however is it a one day effort and should be taken in isolation of all events which led to advent of terrorism?
Can you prevent unlawful terror activities in India under your very noses?
Naxalite movement ring a bell, are they wiped out or have the surrendered?
Surely they are not hitting anyone else except India now but things could change...then what?

 

[All-Green]

In recent past US is acknowledging the efforts of Pakistan and has shown understanding of the difficulties some transitions have posed for Pakistan and the delay associated with such.
Also the presentation given by Gen Kayani to NATO commanders was very well appreciated...there are many indicators that USA is changing its perception about Pakistan.

There is a reason for the CSF aid and reason for the establishment of this fund is genuine.
Pakistan has not stopped the logistical support and actually with the kind of attacks all across Pakistan in the very recent past it has been a most difficult year for Pakistan as a coalition partner.
However on top of logistical support Pakistan launched a massive operation on the terrorists which is of significant value to the coalition as a whole...this has also put a huge strain on us.

Pakistan would not be facing such an organized front had it not been for US invasion and Pakistan's partnership with US.
It was our choice and ofcourse this partnership came with assurances so as to ensure that Pakistan was compensated for this partnership both in terms of short term direct compensation of the services/support rendered and long term aid packages not related to services/support but for stabilizing the economy etc. which is a long term necessity if we want a peaceful neighborhood.

It is not about what US is doing to Pakistan deliberately, it is about how Al Qaeda have managed to recruit people because they have a different angle to motivate and brainwash the loose cannons in these areas and use them as pawns.
There is definitely a huge impact of the WOT on Pakistan in terms of the inertia imparted upon the militant organizations which though extremely dangerous, would have not had such a keen edge about them if not for the heavy propaganda that they managed to generate in post US attack period, the US presence in effect acted as a cohesive force and managed to forge a new beast altogether which we all are fighting, a hydra with many heads.

Despite the challenges the logistical support is intact and we have launched operations of considerable value to the coalition.
It is something we need reimbursement for, it is not charity but direct compensation as member of coalition under an agreement between Pakistan and USA as coalition partners.
True it is subject to audit, but the real important thing here is that in case of tremendous additional pressure on Pakistan due to economic crisis prevalent in the country, it is best that this scrutiny not stand in the way of our final mutual goals which is the reconstruction and stabilization of this region.

US and Pakistan relationship is under massive reconstruction so i expect that these things shall be sorted out over some time and hurdles shall be removed.
However i want to clarify that this is a fund which was established in realization of the direct impact this WOT would have on Pakistan and what it shall have to do as a coalition partner...to deny this fact and consider it simply as a charitable act is not in the spirit of our partnership nor is it in line with the reality.

Let us remove the obstacles...