Frontier Corps News & Discussions

[ghazi52]

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[ghazi52]

Frontier Corps (FC) Balochistan (South) under the Command of, IGFC Major General Ayman Bilal Safdar.

 

[Moon]

Sooooo, any idea when FC will be given drones and MRAPs?

 

[iLION12345_1]

Sooooo, any idea when FC will be given drones and MRAPs?

We can’t just “give” them drones and MRAPs. They have to buy them.
There’s a reason people i get annoyed when others blame Bajwa for the incompetence of the politicians that control the FC. (I don’t think he’s perfect or anything, but people bark up the wrong tree in this regard sadly)
Bajwa or the army doesn’t decide what the FC gets, his army already has Hundreds of MRAPs, drones and gunships.

FC is under the MOI, they have to clear funds and make purchases for the FC, much like they’d do for police. Even the IGFC can only ask or recommend the purchases. MOI has not put out a tender or a request to any company for these things. It’s a massive bottleneck When there’s politicians sitting on top of security forces. That’s why I always ask people not to complain about Bajwa but about the politicians who don’t give a damn about FC soldiers dying everyday. It’s always FC soldiers getting ambushed or dying by IEDs recently because the army has MRAPs and gunships.

 

[Great Janjua]

We can’t just “give” them drones and MRAPs. They have to buy them.
There’s a reason people i get annoyed when others blame Bajwa for the incompetence of the politicians that control the FC. (I don’t think he’s perfect or anything, but people bark up the wrong tree in this regard sadly)
Bajwa or the army doesn’t decide what the FC gets, his army already has Hundreds of MRAPs, drones and gunships.

FC is under the MOI, they have to clear funds and make purchases for the FC, much like they’d do for police. Even the IGFC can only ask or recommend the purchases. MOI has not put out a tender or a request to any company for these things. It’s a massive bottleneck When politicians are sitting on top of security forces. That’s why I always ask people not to complain about Bajwa but about the politicians who don’t give a damn about FC soldiers dying every day. It’s always FC soldiers getting ambushed or dying by IEDs recently because the army has MRAPs and gunships.

Mate, I strongly disagree with you on that part. yes, the army has mraps but are they deployed in hot zones? I don't think so. Take Waziristan for example army is largely present there alongside Frontier Corp but what we see during ambushes is a lack of Mraps. It's the same story throughout the whole country. Even when we did use mraps *mind you that was a long time ago* under operation Zarb e Azb they were used like sentry posts equipped with 12.7 HMG and used from a standoff distance.

Currently, we have little to no mraps deployed in hot zones. The last time I saw any, was deployed in Gwadar on-base protection, again used as a sentry post.

Yes, FC Balochistan alongside many other paramilitaries does come under MOI. But it is up to the commanding officer to least put forward a request to MOI for such procurement.

Lastly, if anyone thinks our paramilitaries procurement plans aren't under the army then he must be a jester. All strings are pulled by the army central command.

All in all, it comes down to the will of the leadership to implement such procurements and to deal with the needs accordingly but by the looks of it, everyone is sleeping from top to bottom.

General Tariq had the guts, the will, and vision to transform FC. All we need is someone with a similar perception.

 

[Moon]

We can’t just “give” them drones and MRAPs. They have to buy them.
There’s a reason people i get annoyed when others blame Bajwa for the incompetence of the politicians that control the FC. (I don’t think he’s perfect or anything, but people bark up the wrong tree in this regard sadly)
Bajwa or the army doesn’t decide what the FC gets, his army already has Hundreds of MRAPs, drones and gunships.

FC is under the MOI, they have to clear funds and make purchases for the FC, much like they’d do for police. Even the IGFC can only ask or recommend the purchases. MOI has not put out a tender or a request to any company for these things. It’s a massive bottleneck When there’s politicians sitting on top of security forces. That’s why I always ask people not to complain about Bajwa but about the politicians who don’t give a damn about FC soldiers dying everyday. It’s always FC soldiers getting ambushed or dying by IEDs recently because the army has MRAPs and gunships.

I disagree, FC is headed by a General, the authorities which issue tenders for vehicle procurement are done by Army officers, their families are supported by the Fauji Foundation and not the MoI, many army troops are there in FC.
So tell me, how on God's green earth, is the MoI responsible for procurement? Clearly money isn't an issue if you're loosing tens of thousands of dollars worth of pickup trucks a month.
Secondly, Army too doesn't operate MRAPs on a wide scale,.recent IED attacks have all happened on pickup trucks. They're mostly at border crossings doing absolutely nothing, or inside airbases for defense.
As for politicians not caring, it's because they never did. Zarb-e-Azb didn't happen because a politician suddenly started to care, it happened because GRS mobilised the military to do it.

It's shameful that we don't run out of excuses to justify our failures.

 

[Great Janjua]

I disagree, FC is headed by a General, the authorities which issue tenders for vehicle procurement are done by Army officers, their families are supported by the Fauji Foundation and not the MoI, many army troops are there in FC.
So tell me, how on God's green earth, is the MoI responsible for procurement? Clearly money isn't an issue if you're loosing tens of thousands of dollars worth of pickup trucks a month.
Secondly, Army too doesn't operate MRAPs on a wide scale,.recent IED attacks have all happened on pickup trucks. They're mostly at border crossings doing absolutely nothing, or inside airbases for defense.
As for politicians not caring, it's because they never did. Zarb-e-Azb didn't happen because a politician suddenly started to care, it happened because GRS mobilised the military to do it.

It's shameful that we don't run out of excuses to justify our failures.

Yeh airforce base par in mraps ka konsa Sa kam hain bhai! Waha tho Toyota pickups honay chahiye fast be or light be. Par nahin ye tho HEAVY Mraps hi rakhe ge. Yeh hain thinking hamare generals ki.

 

[Moon]

Yeh airforce base par in mraps ka konsa Sa kam hain bhai! Waha tho Toyota pickups honay chahiye fast be or light be. Par nahin ye tho HEAVY Mraps hi rakhe ge. Yeh hain thinking hamare generals ki.

Absolutely no idea. But God forbid FC gets it's hands on them. Can't have that.

 

[Signalian]

Mate, I strongly disagree with you on that part. yes, the army has mraps but are they deployed in hot zones? I don't think so. Take Waziristan for example army is largely present there alongside Frontier Corp but what we see during ambushes is a lack of Mraps. It's the same story throughout the whole country. Even when we did use mraps *mind you that was a long time ago* under operation Zarb e Azb they were used like sentry posts equipped with 12.7 HMG and used from a standoff distance.

Currently, we have little to no mraps deployed in hot zones. The last time I saw any, was deployed in Gwadar on-base protection, again used as a sentry post.

Yes, FC Balochistan alongside many other paramilitaries does come under MOI. But it is up to the commanding officer to least put forward a request to MOI for such procurement.

Lastly, if anyone thinks our paramilitaries procurement plans aren't under the army then he must be a jester. All strings are pulled by the army central command.

All in all, it comes down to the will of the leadership to implement such procurements and to deal with the needs accordingly but by the looks of it, everyone is sleeping from top to bottom.

General Tariq had the guts, the will, and vision to transform FC. All we need is someone with a similar perception.

I disagree, FC is headed by a General, the authorities which issue tenders for vehicle procurement are done by Army officers, their families are supported by the Fauji Foundation and not the MoI, many army troops are there in FC.
So tell me, how on God's green earth, is the MoI responsible for procurement? Clearly money isn't an issue if you're loosing tens of thousands of dollars worth of pickup trucks a month.
Secondly, Army too doesn't operate MRAPs on a wide scale,.recent IED attacks have all happened on pickup trucks. They're mostly at border crossings doing absolutely nothing, or inside airbases for defense.
As for politicians not caring, it's because they never did. Zarb-e-Azb didn't happen because a politician suddenly started to care, it happened because GRS mobilised the military to do it.

It's shameful that we don't run out of excuses to justify our failures.

 

[Moon]

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Yeah I posted this a month ago. In English.
You can read who's tendered these things, and it ain't a MoI babu.

 

[Great Janjua]

Yeah I posted this a month ago. In English.
You can read who's tendered these things, and it ain't a MoI babu.

Exactly. Even then it's a make-believe tender nothing solid comes after it.

 

[Signalian]

Yeah I posted this a month ago. In English.
You can read who's tendered these things, and it ain't a MoI babu.

Things are in process, then why whinge all over the forum ?
MOI babus are least bothered about FC.

Exactly. Even then it's a make-believe tender nothing solid comes after it.

and one would wonder why that happens.

 

[Moon]

Things are in process, then why whinge all over the forum ?
MOI babus are least bothered about FC.

The only reason we're buying armour plating is because we aren't buying MRAPs. Secondly, armour plates don't stop IEDs. You'll only end up losing an armour plated vehicle instead.

 

[Signalian]

The only reason we're buying armour plating is because we aren't buying MRAPs. Secondly, armour plates don't stop IEDs. You'll only end up losing an armour plated vehicle instead.

MRAPs don't stop attacks, causalities will come down from 6 to 2 or 1 maybe but attacks will still occur and causalities will incur. Your approach is very narrow minded sorry to say. The attacks have to stop, you can hand over thousands of MRAPs to FC but the terrorists will change strategy and attack through new tactics. FC war isn't against IED but your narrow vision approach makes FC + MRAP Vs IED. Try looking at the bigger picture. MRAPs are required no doubt but then attacks will occur on static posts, even forts, in civilian areas and other FC installations. Getting stingy after MRAPs isn't going to solve the problem for FC, its a comforting feeling. The issue to get after is destroying militant hideouts, sending FC after terrorists supplies and sympathizers, cutting down infiltration on borders, finding traitors within ranks and awarding severe punishments to them to make examples, providing basic facilities to Baluch people and bringing sardars/influential persons on negotiating table.

When an attack on FC occurs, its not just FC, its on a Pakistani citizen and a soldier so instead of creating threads about the enemies of Pakistan and yelling about support for war that Pakistan faces today, the "PDF MRAP brigade" comes in action and starts yelling MRAP MRAP on top of their lungs. Use some common sense.

The amount of data through information available on PDF is enough to make a strong case to write to IGFC, MOI and other concerned departments about FC and the problems in Baluchistan on email or through pen to make your voice heard. That would be a practical step instead of screaming for MRAPs as if MRAPs are a magic wand for clearing all woes that FC and other LEAs are facing in Baluchistan. Have you seen other tenders that are circulated by IG's office ? They are about obtaining critical equipment of all types for FC personnel and different FC installations. So get out of your narrow vision, MRAPs are not the answer to everything that FC Baluchistan face.

 

[Moon]

MRAPs don't stop attacks, causalities will come down from 6 to 2 or 1 maybe but attacks will still occur and causalities will incur

That's good enough. Do you know the ISIS commander in Egypt's Sinai surrendered 1-2 weeks back? Do you know why? Because he wasn't able to kill any Egyptian soldiers, because in the last 3 years the were deploying MRAPs, drones and other surveillance assets in their war against ISIS. When a soldier is killed, his death is rejoiced by the enemy, who is then further emboldened by it. It's like the fire triangle, just replace oxygen, heat and fuel with casualties, funding and political backing.

Try looking at the bigger picture. MRAPs are required no doubt but then attacks will occur on static posts, even forts, in civilian areas and other FC installations. Getting stingy after MRAPs isn't going to solve the problem for FC, its a comforting feeling. The issue to get after is destroying militant hideouts, sending FC after terrorists supplies and sympathizers, cutting down infiltration on borders, finding traitors within ranks and awarding severe punishments to them to make examples, providing basic facilities to Baluch people and bringing sardars/influential persons on negotiating table.

For that you need drones and other reconnaissance assets, which you refuse to buy or use.
You need better surveillance capabilities which you haven't bought.
The Balochistan insurgency as of today is oxymoronic, where developmental projects are being destroyed and then the same people complain of no development. The highest per capita is spent in Balochistan, which contributes the lowest to the GDP.

When an attack on FC occurs, its not just FC, its on a Pakistani citizen and a soldier so instead of creating threads about the enemies of Pakistan and yelling about support for war that Pakistan faces today, the "PDF MRAP brigade" comes in action and starts yelling MRAP MRAP on top of their lungs. Use some common sense.

It's not as simple as you've made it. The frustration is due to lack of willingness to adopt new technologies and equipment (even cheaper ones) since the last 20 years. You can't blame a soldier for that. The blame entirely falls on the top brass. Which is mind you, well aware of it.