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[fatman17]

Haqqani is a known Pakistan army hater and he being the moderator did not make sense to me but then it was the Hudson institute. Cohen in his earlier works on the Pakistan army was a fair critique but lately has lost that also. Shuja nawaz has written 2 books now on Pakistan and I find him to be balanced in his approach. I knew him personally in his earlier years when he was my senior at St. Marys in pindi, and he also had a career as a English newscaster for the government run PTV in those days. ran into him at Karachi airport a few years back, he didn't recognise me till I jogged his memory. We had a few laughs and he introduced me to his wife and daughter who is now working for CNN. Quite a family indeed. okay enough of my rant for the day. stay safe people.

thanks, there were a lot of things that deserved to be addressed more precisely and clarification but were hostage in the hands of Haqqani although Shuja did well at some places.

i would agree with panelists upon the two militaries being caught in British era mind set. Stephen Cohen words "great nations fight wars" and the details he gave later was worth listening and was a lesson for the two of our nations to think about.

after 70 years we are still in infancy and yes nations built upon centuries when they shed their fear, inferiority complex, slave minds and we have a lot more to get rid of besides.

 

[araz]

I don't know why they do; it was factual. I remember the demonstrations, with people herding sheep and goats to as close to the Chinese Embassy as they were allowed, with various cheekily worded placards around the animals' necks.

Glad you saw the video. I don't entirely agree with it, but it has tremendous insight. I am waiting to read the book, which a Pakistani friend sent me.

Jo.
Were you one of the people who asked questions after the debate moderated by Hussain Haqqani?
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[Joe Shearer]

thanks, there were a lot of things that deserved to be addressed more precisely and clarification but were hostage in the hands of Haqqani although Shuja did well at some places.

i would agree with panelists upon the two militaries being caught in British era mind set. Stephen Cohen words "great nations fight wars" and the details he gave later was worth listening and was a lesson for the two of our nations to think about.

after 70 years we are still in infancy and yes nations built upon centuries when they shed their fear, inferiority complex, slave minds and we have a lot more to get rid of besides.

Couldn't add a word to your analysis. Or subtract one.

Jo.
Were you one of the people who asked questions after the debate moderated by Hussain Haqqani?
A

Sadly, no. There was an Inderjit Singh, but he was probably a Sardar. I would like to hear Shuja Nawaz again; he has it down pat on so many things.

Haqqani is a known Pakistan army hater and he being the moderator did not make sense to me but then it was the Hudson institute. Cohen in his earlier works on the Pakistan army was a fair critique but lately has lost that also. Shuja nawaz has written 2 books now on Pakistan and I find him to be balanced in his approach. I knew him personally in his earlier years when he was my senior at St. Marys in pindi, and he also had a career as a English newscaster for the government run PTV in those days. ran into him at Karachi airport a few years back, he didn't recognise me till I jogged his memory. We had a few laughs and he introduced me to his wife and daughter who is now working for CNN. Quite a family indeed. okay enough of my rant for the day. stay safe people.

People know about Haqqani and discount his views (moderately; there are a number of people who have deep-seated fears about the Pakistan Army); his biases are known and hence harmless. I don't have the stature to comment on Cohen. I found Jack Wilson (is that the name?) fascinating, although he was obviously picking and choosing his words very carefully. It was nice to read about your encounter with Shuja Nawaz; you are much younger, Sir, than I had imagined, and good for you for that.

 

[fatman17]

this is c1956. 5th Punjab regt. my father 3rd from left next to Gen Ayub khan, next to him Col Niazi, later Gen Niazi of East Pakistan fame or shame, depending on your pov. back row extreme left Gohar Ayub, son of Gen Ayub khan, later a parliamentarian, 3rd from left, Asif Nawaz, later army chief who sadly passed away in mysterious circumstances.

 

[Ghessan]

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this is c1956. 5th Punjab regt. my father 3rd from left next to Gen Ayub khan, next to him Col Niazi, later Gen Niazi of East Pakistan fame or shame, depending on your pov. back row extreme left Gohar Ayub, son of Gen Ayub khan, later a parliamentarian, 3rd from left, Asif Nawaz, later army chief who sadly passed away in mysterious circumstances.

what a gem of a photo you have shared, thanks.

 

[fatman17]

This was Republic day parade, Lahore

what a gem of a photo you have shared, thanks.

 

[Signalian]

Col Staff of an Armored Division

Div Col staff usually make it to Maj Gen unless they mess up as Brig.
COS in Corps HQ are envisioned future Gens

 

[PanzerKiel]

Div Col staff usually make it to Maj Gen unless they mess up as Brig.
COS in Corps HQ are envisioned future Gens

Some days are long gone...
nowadays, if u do bad in your AFWC / NSWC, you go as Col Staff of a division.

COS of a Corps, yes, that is one of the top appointments.

 

[fatman17]

11th Sept-1948. that fateful day in our short history when the Quaid-e-Azam passed away. officers wearing black arm bands on that day. Staff College, Quetta. my father, last row 2nd from left was DS teaching infantry tactics. story has it that the army did not have money for daily expenses so the staff would pool their meagre resources to buy pencils, pads, chalk, ink to run the courses.!

 

[TsAr]

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11th Sept-1948. that fateful day in our short history when the Quaid-e-Azam passed away. officers wearing black arm bands on that day. Staff College, Quetta. my father, last row 2nd from left was DS teaching infantry tactics. story has it that the army did not have money for daily expenses so the staff would pool their meagre resources to buy pencils, pads, chalk, ink to run the courses.!

thank you sharing historic pics with us, mind sharing you fathers name?

 

[fatman17]

Col. MMA BEG. retd after 71 war after 30 years of military service with British Indian army 42 - 47, 48 - 71 Pakistan army VCO / SSC.

thank you sharing historic pics with us, mind sharing you fathers name?

 

[truthseeker2010]

Some days are long gone...
nowadays, if u do bad in your AFWC / NSWC, you go as Col Staff of a division.

COS of a Corps, yes, that is one of the top appointments.

I hope you make it to the stars! although you are already one but still sword on your shoulder won't look bad at all!

 

[PanzerKiel]

I hope you make it to the stars! although you are already one but still sword on your shoulder won't look bad at all!

Am aiming for something a lot higher than swords on shoulders....

.... InshaAllah...

 

[HRK]

Am aiming for something a lot higher than swords on shoulders....

.... InshaAllah...

bhai mere Aziz humwatoono wala na ban jana .... baki khai hai ....

 

[TsAr]

bhai mere Aziz humwatoono wala na ban jana .... baki khai hai ....

Hahahaaaaa, this is what also came in my mind when I read @PanzerKiel statement...