French police make woman remove burkini on Nice beach

[Zibago]

Because they are unable to adjust themselves there, or if they feel they are getting 'unduly persecuted'.

And then you give lectures on Pandit persecution

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And then you give lectures on Pandit persecution

Never. I have never posted anything about Pandit massacres or rape stories. Crying victim is not my forte. out of topic anyway...

 

[Nicky G]

Tolerating the intolerant is not just stupid, it can be fatal. I guess the French have started realizing this simple fact of life.

The problem however, is that in a democracy, majority rules, well in most cases anyway; so what happens when the religion of peace hits a sufficiently high enough percentage of the population to really begin to influence the laws?

 

[Zibago]

They allowed it for years and got increasing terror activity.

It was invented in 2004 by an Australian Lebenese woman

 

[Arsalan]

1. By you I think you meant Indians. I personally will never set foot in a country ruled by an inch of the Shariah law. It is sad that our country even has religious laws, but this is where I was born into. So, it does not matter to me if you ban alcohol or ban nudism etc. Your country, your people, your choice. Period..

Actually no, i do not mean Indians. It is not necessary that when you see a Pakistani member arguing with someone it is sure to be an Indian. I was talking in general terms.

Anyway, the thing is , just like you are free to make that choice of following or not following a religion or its rules don't you think others have the same choice as well? Furthermore this is clearly off topic, we were not talking religion here. What the discussion is about is simply oppression of basic human right, that freedom of will and speech the west so furiously advocates!

2. Laws are made for the people. Of a land. Laws are locale specific. That is why we have separate laws for separate countries.

So there should be no poking noses and pointing finger toward others when it comes to there laws? Or there should be no pointing finger at the western discrimination, period?

3. You are free to make laws to award or kill murderers or rapists. At most that will reflect your progress as a people (or lack of it). Otherwise, I won't mind. Of course, again, I would not set foot there, but that's what I would choose to do. Those coming in to a place MUST respect local sensibilities. End of story. The local culture CAN'T be expected to always accommodate the 'foreign' practices

True!! local sensibilities!! Inst that what i should you with those pics of nuns? The problem here is the dual standards and if you say that those dual standards are THE RULES of the country and one should accept them as it is, i wont argue with that any further!

 

[SarthakGanguly]

What the discussion is about is simply oppression of basic human right, that freedom of will and speech the west so furiously advocates!

Not really. The French are a little different. They mean the removal of religion from public sphere - and quite aggressively. They DON'T respect religion in public. Which is fine by me.

So there should be no poking noses and pointing finger toward others when it comes to there laws? Or there should be no pointing finger at the western discrimination, period?

I don't point fingers. I know I have no place in the Muslim world, and I don't seek any. I can't speak for the Europeans.

The problem here is the dual standards and if you say that those dual standards are THE RULES of the country and one should accept them as it is, i wont argue with that any further!

The Europeans may have dual standards. But so do all people. It is a human trait. People may not like it. What course of action should they take? Fight France? Or leave? Choices...

 

[Cherokee]

The same people wailing weeping and beating chest over this issue are the ones who support the law to call ahmadis non muslims . " But that is a different issue" . Kyuki ham secularism ka dhol nae peet rahe we can do anything . These bigots are hardcore Islamist in their own countries and suddenly become champions of secularism in west . This disease is not only amongst rabid Islamists but Rabid Hindtvawadees as well . India me right wing and gau mata and west me Trump ko dekh ke aanso bahayenge .

 

[flamer84]

So there should be no poking noses and pointing finger toward others when it comes to there laws? Or there should be no pointing finger at the western discrimination, period?

There is no Western discrimination and there's no comparison with your own religious minorities as Christians and Hindus in Pakistan don't commit terror acts.Muslims in France do and that's why we have this French reaction.Terrorists come from the muslim community so clearly there's a problem there and that problem is to much religion.

 

[Arsalan]

Not really. The French are a little different. They mean the removal of religion from public sphere - and quite aggressively. They DON'T respect religion in public. Which is fine by me.

Fine by YOU!! That my friend is not the absolute requirement or achievement.

I don't point fingers. I know I have no place in the Muslim world, and I don't seek any. I can't speak for the Europeans.

Again by "you" i was not pointing you in person. We, as you can see, are not talking about persons!! If that was the case i personally would have simply walk off that beach!!

The Europeans may have dual standards. But so do all people. It is a human trait. People may not like it. What course of action should they take? Fight France? Or leave? Choices...

Dont you think this is what "extremism" is. Fight or leave? Or is it something you associate only to Islam? For me these extreme choice and the stress on choosing one is extremism.

There is no Western discrimination and there's no comparison with your own religious minorities as Christians and Hindus in Pakistan don't commit terror acts.Muslims in France do and that's why we have this French reaction.Terrorists come from the muslim community so clearly there's a problem there and that problem is to much religion.

The problem you do not understand is that those countries claims the problem is coming from YOU being there!
However i do agree and totally understand that the French are bound to have a strong reaction and also that it is not YOUR or there responsibility to improve the situation with Muslims as the terrorists do chant "Allah o Akbar" before blowing themselves up so it is MY and OUR responsibility to clear the doubts, to explain the things and most importantly to prove by my actions that those people have nothing to do with Islam.

 

[Nicky G]

Actually no, i do not mean Indians. It is not necessary that when you see a Pakistani member arguing with someone it is sure to be an Indian. I was talking in general terms.

Anyway, the thing is , just like you are free to make that choice of following or not following a religion or its rules don't you think others have the same choice as well? Furthermore this is clearly off topic, we were not talking religion here. What the discussion is about is simply oppression of basic human right, that freedom of will and speech the west so furiously advocates!

So there should be no poking noses and pointing finger toward others when it comes to there laws? Or there should be no pointing finger at the western discrimination, period?

True!! local sensibilities!! Inst that what i should you with those pics of nuns? The problem here is the dual standards and if you say that those dual standards are THE RULES of the country and one should accept them as it is, i wont argue with that any further!

'Liberty, equality and freedom for all' are ideals, they are unlikely to be achieved or more importantly perceived to be have been achieved in different laws.

Anyway, all rules / laws are discriminatory to some extent. Its simply a matter of whether you happen to agree with said discrimination. In this case, you do not agree with the apparent discrimination, I'm presume there are discrimination you'd agree with.

As for pointing fingers at the west, go right ahead. I'll sit back and enjoy.

Finally, if this is such a big issue, the lady should approach the courts.

 

[I.R.A]

it's islam's turn now and the process is long overdue.

Bullshit. Its your hatred for Islam and Islam only.

 

[Arsalan]

'Liberty, equality and freedom for all' are ideals, they are unlikely to be achieved or more importantly perceived to be have been achieved in different laws.

Anyway, all rules / laws are discriminatory to some extent. Its simply a matter of whether you happen to agree with said discrimination. In this case, you do not agree with the apparent discrimination, I'm presume there are discrimination you'd agree with.

As for pointing fingers at the west, go right ahead. I'll sit back and enjoy.

Finally, if this is such a big issue, the lady should approach the courts.

Where am i pointing fingers at the west? That was a question and i will appreciate if you can read the posts in the proper context. In fact, I am saying that i do understand the fault and also that the responsibility is on Muslims and on me to clarify the situation.

 

[RAMPAGE]

May be. But that's France. Like it or... leave it.

Laws in France are made for the betterment to the liking of the French. Sounds fair.

So your opinion is that this has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

 

[Zibago]

French official threatens to sue social media users who share burkini ban photos

BY MARCUS GILMER
12 HOURS AGO
An official in Nice, France, is threatening to sue social media users who share photos and videos of police enforcing a new burkini ban, claiming the photos led to defamation and threats against the officers.

SEE ALSO: French mayor bans burkinis from beaches
Christian Estrosi, president of the Regional Council of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (of which Nice is a part), issued a statement, saying, "Already, complaints were filed to prosecute those who spread the photographs of our municipal police officers and those uttering threats against them on social networks."

One incident in particular — which occurred in Nice — has sparked controversy and, it seems, Estrossi's statement. Photos of the incident show police forcing a woman to removed her burkini and then issuing her a fine. The pictures were published in The Daily Mail and circulated widely on social media.

Nice is one of several cities in France that has recently enacted the ban of the burkini, a full-body wetsuit garment for Muslim women, often worn at the beach. The ban carries extra heft in Nice in the wake of the Bastille Day terror attack, which killed 85 people.

Nice's deputy mayor, Rudy Salles, called the ban "a necessity" in light of the terror attack.

But others have criticized the ban. Talking to Mashable earlier this week about the ban, Fiyaz Mughal, founder of Tell Mama UK, a national project which records anti-Muslim incidents in the UK, called the ban "perverse" and added, "[the ban] does not have any evidence behind it and it's simply knee-jerk populism meant to play on the fears of some
http://mashable.com/2016/08/24/nice-burkini-ban/#BD670oAVYgqQ

So your opinion is that this has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

He is one

 

[911]

The same people wailing weeping and beating chest over this issue are the ones who support the law to call ahmadis non muslims . " But that is a different issue" . Kyuki ham secularism ka dhol nae peet rahe we can do anything . These bigots are hardcore Islamist in their own countries and suddenly become champions of secularism in west . This disease is not only amongst rabid Islamists but Rabid Hindtvawadees as well . India me right wing and gau mata and west me Trump ko dekh ke aanso bahayenge .

How does wearing a certain type of clothes make you rabit Islamist. Don't you think the people who restrict them are bigots?

Its actually your double standards, you curse right wings in India but praise right wings of west.