Freedom of speech: Twitter suspends accounts from China suspected of undermining protests in Hong Ko

[gambit]

Private or government ownership doesn't matter as it comes to right to freedom of speech. The freedom is not defined by Twitter company. It is absolute. Twitter suspending accounts amount to censorship.

As highlighted -- wrong.

On the abstract plane, then yes, it is absolute. But we do not live on that plane, do we? It is just like you being in my house as a guest. If I wanted to, I can restrict your movements to only the guest greeting area, you cannot even go to the bathroom. So does that equals to imprisonment? In a similar vein, as you are in my house, you have the freedom to call my daughter a slut? It does not matter if she does bed around or not, you are claiming your freedom of speech and calls my daughter a slut, are you not?

Rights and freedoms do not conflict in the abstract but only when they are APPLIED, and when they are applied, one right/freedom will have to give way to another right/freedom depending on the situation. You are in my house, so even common decency already constrains your freedom of speech. Basic respect makes you keep your mouth shut about my daughter even if she is a slut in real life.

The point here is that twitter must lay out its terms and conditions unambiguously and be liable to answer questions about their actions of censorship. Twitter saying that its supports free speech but doing opposite is an act if betrayal.

Twitter's failure to array what it allows in its house is a reasonable criticism, but it does not trumps the basic understanding that you are in its house, therefore, what it wants -- goes. The best we can do is criticize and exposes its failure and refuse to do business with it until it changes its ways.

Twitter is saying that the freedom of speech of the HK protesters is more important than the freedom of speech from the Chinese government. This is its house so Twitter is free to prioritize one side over the other or even at the expense of the other. Refusal to do business with Twitter violates no one's rights and freedoms.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

As highlighted -- wrong.

On the abstract plane, then yes, it is absolute. But we do not live on that plane, do we? It is just like you being in my house as a guest. If I wanted to, I can restrict your movements to only the guest greeting area, you cannot even go to the bathroom. So does that equals to imprisonment? In a similar vein, as you are in my house, you have the freedom to call my daughter a slut? It does not matter if she does bed around or not, you are claiming your freedom of speech and calls my daughter a slut, are you not?

Rights and freedoms do not conflict in the abstract but only when they are APPLIED, and when they are applied, one right/freedom will have to give way to another right/freedom depending on the situation. You are in my house, so even common decency already constrains your freedom of speech. Basic respect makes you keep your mouth shut about my daughter even if she is a slut in real life.


Twitter's failure to array what it allows in its house is a reasonable criticism, but it does not trumps the basic understanding that you are in its house, therefore, what it wants -- goes. The best we can do is criticize and exposes its failure and refuse to do business with it until it changes its ways.

Twitter is saying that the freedom of speech of the HK protesters is more important than the freedom of speech from the Chinese government. This is its house so Twitter is free to prioritize one side over the other or even at the expense of the other. Refusal to do business with Twitter violates no one's rights and freedoms.

It is not Twitter's property. The platform may be Twitter's, but the people have their own freedom. When a guest comes to your house by your invitation, you can't simply boot him out just because you don't like the colour of his dress.

Similarly, Twitter's internal policy can be its own but when it is dealing with other people, it has to have fair policy which are devoid of discretionary whims. Twitter gets customers because of its claims that it allows free speech and allows people to send news and views. After saying this, it can't simply suspend accounts based on discretion. It has to follow up on its words

 

[gambit]

It is not Twitter's property. The platform may be Twitter's, but the people have their own freedom.

It is just like this forum where you are here at someone else's discretion.

When a guest comes to your house by your invitation, you can't simply boot him out just because you don't like the colour of his dress.

Yes, I can. If he comes nude, even at my invitation, I have to let him stay? That make no sense.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

It is just like this forum where you are here at someone else's discretion.


Yes, I can. If he comes nude, even at my invitation, I have to let him stay? That make no sense.

I can't ask you to go back if I have allowed other nudists to come to my home. I have to be equitable. Similarly, Twitter has to be equitable. Otherwise, it must clearly state that it is a political website and tht it has political bias.

This PDF openly states that it is Pakistani. So, there is nothing hidden about its political affiliation. Twitter too, must clearly state itself as adopting western ideology of Christian Renaissance instead of talking about free speech.

 

[gambit]

I can't ask you to go back if I have allowed other nudists to come to my home. I have to be equitable. Similarly, Twitter has to be equitable. Otherwise, it must clearly state that it is a political website and tht it has political bias.

This PDF openly states that it is Pakistani. So, there is nothing hidden about its political affiliation. Twitter too, must clearly state itself as adopting western ideology of Christian Renaissance instead of talking about free speech.

Am sure you have heard of the term 'sock puppet', no?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-twitter-block-of-fake-accounts-idUSKCN1VA0RQ

Twitter Inc said on Monday it suspended 936 accounts and the operations appeared to be a coordinated state-backed effort originating in China.

Facebook Inc said it had removed accounts and pages from a small network after a tip from Twitter. Facebook said its investigation found links to individuals associated with the Chinese government.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinio...lame-twitter-meddling-hong-kong/#.XWPRCHVKjOE

At the same time, China’s premier propaganda outlets have struggled to acquire online audiences abroad and so have resorted to paying for them. Last year, The New York Times documented how a Xinhua editor paid for hundreds of thousands of Twitter followers and retweets.

I will allow you into my house, but will not allow those who fraudulently claims to be your relatives. Likewise with any government's sock puppets.

 

[Sheepistanis]

lol you're not "exposing" anyone. They're tools to spread soft image or to distort others soft image. That's already known, it's not a hypocritical thing. Like the OP has made it out to be.

Everyone, including China, does that.

For their predisposition to disinformation they have been turning heads for a while and this isn't the only instance. With their selective filtering, Twitter and Facebook are doing a bang up job at exposing themselves. Period
Chinese platforms in contrast are for the domestic consumption and they don't aim to manipulate opinions in one direction while exploiting their global reach and " We stand for freedom of speech" bogus claims.

 

[thewayoftheworld]

Twitter, Facebook, and Google are pretty zionist owned backed by American elites. All three are Jewish. All three support zionist policies. Any country that allows them to operate with impunity will have its own reckoning and color revolution if they step out of line.

The sad part is India with a billion people can't leverage its own people to create a these social network companies in order to control their destiny like China. Now they dominates India tech. Google may be lead by an Indian CEO, Zionist are pulling the strings in the background.

 

[Itachi]

For their predisposition to disinformation they have been turning heads for a while and this isn't the only instance. With their selective filtering, Twitter and Facebook are doing a bang up job at exposing themselves. Period
Chinese platforms in contrast are for the domestic consumption and they don't aim to manipulate opinions in one direction while exploiting their global reach and " We stand for freedom of speech" bogus claims.

LOL.....Chinese censors anything that goes against its wishes.

You haven't heard of the "Great Firewall Of China"??

Even PDF is banned in China!

You truly are a "Sheepistani".....go wash your face with cold water.

China might give you some $$$ and build some roads/help your economy but it's doing all that to help itself first. Not you.

You ever heard of Chinese facial recognition?? They use it to moniter every single Chinese and catalog his/her activities. They also use it to deny services to those Chinese that the govt. feels are "bad".

What do you think "social credit" stands for in China??

Why do you think HK'er (Hong Kongers) destroyed multiple Facial Recognition towers in their protests??

You can't even protest in China?? Did you know that?

What kind of govt. is that?? A truly dictatorship with draconian laws!

 

[fisher1]

This is EPIC!

Giving China a taste of their own medicine and look at the Chinese crying foul.

Doesn't get any better than this.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It is just like this forum where you are here at someone else's discretion.


Yes, I can. If he comes nude, even at my invitation, I have to let him stay? That make no sense.

I don’t see what the argument is here about “Freedom of Speech”. I guess we have a bunch of clueless people on here who don’t understand what it relates to.

Twitter is the same as PDF. PDF can ban anybody for whatever reason they want - even for no reason. It isn’t subject to any US government “Freedom of Speech” rules/laws/etiquette. Just don’t piss off the guy who owns PDF...you can cry all you want to the US or Pakistani government but nobody can do anything as he has the final say.

 

[gambit]

Even PDF is banned in China!

If that is true, that is hilarious and ironic: The Chinese forum members have to VPN their ways out of China so they can tell the world how much they support state censorship in China.

 

[PeaceGen]

Another smart Alec comment. First of all, China require them to comply with China censorship which they failed to do so under the freedom of speeches principle..

Secondly, China is not a hyprocrite like twitter promoting under the banner of freedom of speeches but practice selective speeches. China stance is clear and consistent unlike some who cannot never be trusted and acting like double headed snake that is ready to go back on words when promise to others.

China is a complete hypocrite for trying to use a free speech platform for organized information manipulation purposes, and at the same time allowing near to no actual free speech in their home country.

And so are you China fanboys here. Complete hypocrites, or severely delusional. Take your pick.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Freedom of speech: Twitter suspends accounts from China suspected of undermining protests in Hong Kong

I hope Pakistan and China ban Twitter completely.

China is a complete hypocrite for trying to use a free speech platform for organized information manipulation purposes, and at the same time allowing near to no actual free speech in their home country.

And so are you China fanboys here. Complete hypocrites, or severely delusional. Take your pick.

Look at this hypocrite. He lectures us about Amazon in another thread whilst the Western countries destroyed the planet/climate. Here he is handing out Twitter lecture.

Pakistan and China should at all cost ban this selective propaganda platform in their countries. Their country their rules. Don't like to be banned? Reverse the selective propaganda.

 

[PeaceGen]

Look at this hypocrite. He lectures us about Amazon in another thread whilst the Western countries destroyed the planet/climate. Here he is handing out Twitter lecture.

Pakistan and China should at all cost ban this selective propaganda platform in their countries. Their country their rules. Don't like to be banned? Reverse the selective propaganda.

what is selective propaganda about twitter and facebook? they're used for personal and business communications mostly.

 

[maximuswarrior]

what is selective propaganda about twitter and facebook? they're used for personal and business communications mostly.

LOL did you get that info from Fox News?

Stop being a baby and admit the truth. Such social media platforms are hypocrites who allow certain propaganda yet ban others from speaking the truth. Case in point Kashmiri atrocities by Indian forces in occupied Kashmir. Twitter is censoring the truth.

Pakistan and China should ban any social media platform that allows instability and allows propaganda. No ifs and buts.