France's Mistral Warship Deal With Russia Is Off

[mike2000]

There is no way the two situations can be compared.

Sure , but also depends on how things unfold in future, we never know what situation/conflicts awaits us in future.

 

[atatwolf]

In WW1 and WW2 it was MASTER and SLAVES. My friend what happened to the Automan Empire after WW1 though you were on the wining side. Today wars are different and yes except for the invasion of Afghanistan Turkey did not approve to be part of USA.

Well, even in WW2 we didn't join since we valued our own interests and put our own agenda first. Thanks for bringing that up. In WW2 India also didn't have their own agenda. They only followed the orders of the UK. IMHO it was indeed master / slave relationship.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

In WW1 and WW2 it was MASTER and SLAVES. My friend what happened to the Automan Empire after WW1 though you were on the wining side. Today wars are different and yes except for the invasion of Afghanistan Turkey did not approve to be part of USA.

The Ottoman Empire was on the losing side, together with Germany and Austria.
While mainland Turkey was not affected, the Ottoman Empire lost control over a very large part
of its territories..

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@atatwolf

Sir you have been ranting for far too long

My suggestion is that Turkey should come out of NATO and and then see
where it stands

 

[mike2000]

IMHO I think you are wrong. US wanted Turkey to join invasion of Iraq in 2003. We disagreed. With the fight against ISIS. We rejected them again since we value our own interests too. We have our own agenda. India doesn't have these capabilities. When UK said we are going to invade the middle-east in WW1. They took a sh1tload of Indian young men and send them to the front lines as cannonfodder. IMHO there is a difference between making your own choices and others making the choices for you.

I agree with your points. However, i was just pointing out that Turkey is not an equal to the U.S as you said earlier. As for Iraq, yes Turkey did rightly(im with turkey on this onw) refused to join the silly war against Iraq, since it will have brought more trouble for Turkey itself. Though Edorgan should have done the same with Syria by keeping out of the war/conflict instead of choosing sides(and the wrong one for that matter), now im afraid Turkey will have to live with this mistake for a long time to come and feel the effects of it later. Nobody said India was going to invade any country in the middle east or whatever bro. India doesnt obviously have that capabilities, they can invade/fight a war on in south asia neighbourhood like Bengladesh, Nepal, Sri lanka, and maybe Pakistan(thoguh this one will be a tough one) and most of all majority of their arms comes from abroad through Russia, Israel, West/U.S. So this limits their capabilities greatly. So i dont see why you bring India into making choices in the middle east. It has no decions to make in the region, its the U.S//west and to some extent Russia that have decisions to make in the middle east.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Sure , but also depends on how things unfold in future, we never know what situation/conflicts awaits us in future.

India is never going to be in a direct conflict with the EU or France- their respective spheres of interest to not intersect so there is little to be gleaned in comparing the Mistral deal of Russia to the Rafale/Scorpene deal for India.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

The Ottoman Empire was on the losing side, together with Germany and Austria.
While mainland Turkey was not affected, the Ottoman Empire lost control over a very large part
of its territories..

Technically WW1 was won by both sides due to Armistice.

An armistice is a formal agreement of warring parties to stop fighting. It is not necessarily the end of a war, since it might be just a cessation of hostilities while an attempt is made to negotiate a lasting peace. It is derived from the Latinarma, meaning weapons and statium, meaning a stopping.

Ottoman Empire down fall was for other reasons. That would be off topic.

 

[mike2000]

India is never going to be in a direct conflict with the EU or France- their respective spheres of interest to not intersect so there is little to be gleaned in comparing the Mistral deal of Russia to the Rafale/Scorpene deal for India.

lool Bro as i said earlier NEVER SAY NEVER in geo politics/life. Everything is possible.
I myself never would have imagined we will be sanctioning Russia anytime soon, since i didnt really see anything that bad which would make us get to this point. Things sometimes happen quite fast, unlike what we had planned. In politics you have to ALWAYS be prepared for any events.

 

[mike2000]

Technically WW1 was won by both sides due to Armistice.

An armistice is a formal agreement of warring parties to stop fighting. It is not necessarily the end of a war, since it might be just a cessation of hostilities while an attempt is made to negotiate a lasting peace. It is derived from the Latinarma, meaning weapons and statium, meaning a stopping.

Ottoman Empire down fall was for other reasons. That would be off topic.

lol Bro, just like my friend Atawolf said the Turkey was on the losing side of the war just like Germany and Austria. Everybody knows this. This was the main reason which led to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Just like we lost our empire even after 'winning' the second world war. It was indeed this war which brought an abrupt end to our mighty Empire.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

There is no way the two situations can be compared.

Post 15 gives you the answer

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

lol Bro, just like my friend Atawolf said the Turkey was on the losing side of the war just like Germany and Austria. Everybody knows this. This was the main reason which led to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. Just like we lost our empire even after 'winning' the second world war. It was indeed this war which brought an abrupt end to our mighty Empire.

Bro, WW1 ended without a winner but still Allied forces addressed League of Nations as open for winners only.

WW2 was won by Allied forces. If that would not be the case then a second war would not have taken place as both wanted to become powerful. Yes WW2 ended the slogan Sun never sets in Great Britain. Still I remember when my International Relations teacher started crying in front of the whole class and said Today we are United Kingdom only.

It is really interesting who Law of Treaties work.

 

[Nexus]

India should buy them and transfer them to RN

 

[Nexus]

Still I remember when my International Relations teacher started crying in front of the whole class and said Today we are United Kingdom only [/QUOTE]
0.o ???

 

[Nexus]

Still I remember when my International Relations teacher started crying in front of the whole class and said Today we are United Kingdom only [/QUOTE]
0.o ???

 

[he-man]

Post 15 gives you the answer

Its not an objective mathematical problem that ur formula will offer the solution

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Still I remember when my International Relations teacher started crying in front of the whole class and said Today we are United Kingdom only

0.o ???[/QUOTE]
No more Great Britain but United Kingdom