France vs. Algeria: The War for Air and Naval Superiority in the Mediterranean

[Foinikas]

Quite informative in the conventional engagement sphere and I would like to add there will also be logistical issues on both ends to land troops. Algeria could attempt a sneaky ground offense but won't be able to do much. Now that being said I do agree with him. He should do Algeria vs Morocco one..

In an Algerian-Moroccan WAR Algeria could force Morocco to retreat from the west sahara and pin them down but won't be able to advance much into proper Morocco due to the atlas mountains serving as logistical nightmare for Algeria and casualities could be high on Algeria's end if they were to over try and attempt to advance right into Moroccan atlas mountains defensive lines.. It would be an Stalemate with Morocco losing it's West Sahara colony but Algeria losing most manpower

Algeria can't militarily defeat Morocco they are militarily around the same with Algeria being the better armed slightly and I do agree that Morocco could be pushed back from the less relevant West Sahara but that is also affordable for Morocco but Algeria will fail in proper land border and proper Morocco locked in a gritty stalemate.. Morocco has also improved alot militarily in the last couple of months closing the little remaining edge Algeria might have had but there is still little more edge to close

It would be extremely interesting to see how they would do in battle. Especially the masses of Algerian T-90s vs Moroccan Abrams and the war in the air. Also how much the Air Defence systems of Algeria would defend the country from Moroccan attacks. Even the war at sea would be interesting. They both have so many important coastal cities so destroying the enemy navy could mean survival or even victory.

 

[Super Falcon]

On paper france can defeat algeria but not that easy france will lose lot of man power and can be hurt financialy
On the oher hand algeria might use all of its military power and can be future colonized by france

 

[Ziri]

Eh? View attachment 769431
I admire your support for Morroco but thats too much bro.

All the Arabs in this thread are pro-Morocco and pro-Israel. They are here supporting they ally Morocco. Algeria can fold up Morocco in a matter of hours,

Why would they want to threaten France?

Just to kick the French arse as pay back.

Can you provide the source.. because that Moroccan video shows the prisoners in 1976

In 1963 Algeria attacked both Morocco ..and Tunisia at point 233!

In January 1976, the Algerian forces attacked the Moroccan Sahara with the aim of occupying the region of Amgala and separating it from Morocco. The Algerian forces suffered a catastrophic failure and a heavy defeat, The Algerian attack was repeated ten days later, forcing the late King Hassan II to send a strongly worded letter to Algerian President Houari Boumediene to warn him of the severity of the Moroccan reaction and the consequences that may result from it.

What was stated in the royal letter, according to several historians, was as follows: “Mr., President of the Algerian Revolution, Houari Boumediene, I am not pleased to address this letter to you, because it does not satisfy us that I am the writer of its text, and because it will inevitably not bring satisfaction and comfort to your souls. Something really astonishing happened.That is, Mr. President, the Royal Armed Forces found themselves on January 29, 1976, facing the Algerian People's National Army in Amgala, which is an integral part of the Moroccan Sahara."

When the late King Hassan II announced in a speech on February 15, 1976 the phrase “I am only waiting for Algeria to declare war on Morocco,” the Algerian Command Council met to issue a statement saying: “There is no war with Morocco for the sake of the Polisario, and no peace with Morocco without the Polisario.” And the Algerian armies which were penetrating inside the Moroccan borders were withdrawn for fear of the strong reaction that might come from the Moroccan side, which might bring woes to Algeria and its people.

This saying has become the doctrine of the Algerian army from that terrible defeat to this day..


Source: "Une Algerie nommee Boumediene" by writer Anja Francius


Facts and relevant information:

In October 1974 the Algerian president supported the territorial demands of the Moroccan Kingdom (the Seventh Arab Summit) ..

On March 13, 1895 the Moroccan-British treaty was signed, which states that no power can claim possession of the territories extending between the Draa Valley and Ras Boujdour, because these territories belong to Morocco in response to Spain’s occupation of the Sahara in 1884

And that the inclusion of the Sahara issue on the agenda of the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization was done in 1964 at the request of Morocco..

Makhzen propaganda. There is no a thing as "Moroccan Sahara". Only in your dreams, boy. lol

 

[Ziri]

On Topic:

A detailed topic and pictures documenting the stages of French nuclear tests in Algeria

https://arabic.sputniknews.com/arab_world/201609011020044054/

17 Nuclear tests in the Algerian desert, including 13 underground and 4 aerial..

France has recognized four experiments in the Reggane area in the state of Bechar and 13 in Ain Akker in the state of Tamanrasset in southern Algeria, but the researcher and professor of physics and nuclear chemistry at the University of Oran Kazem Al-Aboudi (author of the book "Raqane Springs") reported that France conducted 57 nuclear tests in Algeria, and that the distance zero-zone Between one explosion and another was less than 150 km, which made the atmosphere saturated with nuclear radiation.


The head of the Algerian National Authority for the Promotion of Health and Research Development (FORAM), Mustapha Khayati, confirmed that the devastating effects of French nuclear tests in the Algerian desert will remain for thousands of years..

French Chemical and biological experiments continued in B2-NAMOUS base for more than 11 years after "Independence"..The Minister of Defense himself said it; the base operated from 1962 to 1978

What is your point ? The French nuclear program in Algeria seems to make you happy.

Algeria is way better armed than Iran overall conventionally. Iran doesn't really have much to offer Algeria aside for Zulfiqar but you can't sell 700km BM due to some shitty UN rules but it can only happen under the table. It can get much better BMs elsewhere tho with ToT and more longer range

Any of you who are worried about Morocco. Algeria can erase Morocco from the map with a day or two.
Here is the king (Mohamed 6) that the Moroccan soldiers will fight for :

 

[Titanium100]

What is your point ? The French nuclear program in Algeria seems to make you happy.

Any of you who are worried about Morocco. Algeria can erase Morocco from the map with a day or two.
Here is the king (Mohamed 6) that the Moroccan soldiers will fight for :View attachment 776947View attachment 776947

So what if the guy likes to chill out from time to time you are making big deal out of it. All your posts are flame-baiting and troll insulting with no intellectual value. Wanting to only engage in online fist fights. Take it easy on PDF just discuss your opinion and political views but refrain from flame-baiting and all that stuff it is unnecessary at the end of the day

 

[Ziri]

So what if the guy likes to chill out from time to time you are making big deal out of it. All your posts are flame-baiting and troll insulting with no intellectual value. Wanting to only engage in online fist fights. Take it easy on PDF just discuss your opinion and political views but refrain from flame-baiting and all that stuff it is unnecessary at the end of the day

You boys here are Israel lovers - You have an Algeria complex. Go read the news. Your friend Morocco will be receiving the punishment it deserves because it is a poor little country that has violated Algeria's red lines. Now go call your friends to get me banned because only your opinion should be posted in here.

 

[Titanium100]

You boys here are Israel lovers - Algeria haters. Go read the news. Your friend Morocco will be receiving the punishment it deserves because it is a poor little country that has violated Algeria's red lines. Now go call your friends to get me banned.

Nobody is Algerian hater around this blocks nor is anyone Israel lover but you are an irrational poster. All these irrelevant flame-baiting and waiting to enter heated conversations just doesn't fly here with people and also you directly insult breaking the rules again and again. That is why you need to stay calm share your opinions don't make it personal and it doesn't have to be that way

 

[Ziri]

Nobody is Algerian hater around this blocks nor is anyone Israel lover but you are an irrational poster. All these irrelevant flame-baiting and waiting to enter heated conversations just doesn't fly here with people and also you directly insult breaking the rules again and again. That is why you need to stay calm share your opinions don't make it personal and it doesn't have to be that way

What you see as an insult in your culture is completely acceptable in many parts of the world. I've dealt with many different nationalities, no one tried to lecture me like you boys do. It's bullying.

 

[Titanium100]

What you see as an insult in your culture is completely acceptable in many parts of the world. I've dealt with many different nationalities, no one tried to lecture me like you boys do.

I am actully pro-Algeria myself and have visited Algeria many times to see it's beautiful sites and meet it's people but you are making bad promotions for Algeria

 

[Ziri]

I am actully pro-Algeria myself and have visited Algeria many times to see it's beautiful sites and meet it's people but you are making bad promotions for Algeria

''making bad promotions for Algeria" Something you don't get. I've personally discouraged Saudis from visiting Algeria. Many of us consider a continual relation with the "Arab" world to be a disaster for us.

 

[Ziri]

This is a thread about Algeria, but many here mention Morocco. Many Algerians wouldn't mind a war against Morocco, a monarchy similar to the GCC states, that doesn't fit within the North African region, and is an agent for instability of its neighbors Algeria, Tunisia and Libya.

Below: Morocco soldiers being trained by US Marines during June 2021:

 

[White and Green with M/S]

''making bad promotions for Algeria" Something you don't get. I've personally discouraged Saudi business partners with big bucks to go visit Algeria. Many of us consider a continual relation with the "Arab" world to be a disaster for us.

what do you have a logic about you will defeat Morocco in a day or 2?

 

[White and Green with M/S]

This is a thread about Algeria, but many here mention Morocco. Many Algerians wouldn't mind a war against Morocco, a monarchy similar to the GCC states, that doesn't fit within the North African region, and is an agent for instability of its neighbors Algeria, Tunisia and Libya.

Below: Morocco soldiers being trained by US Marines during June 2021:View attachment 776977

This thread is about recent Morocco/ Algeria relations so whats wrong with it if Morocco army train by US marines??

 

[Ziri]

what do you have a logic about you will defeat Morocco in a day or 2?

Lol. We don't think these "happy dudes" (Moroccan Army) being trained by US Marines (June 2021)can sustain the extreme pounding of the Algerian Military Forces for too long.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Algerian Air Force

Aircraft Origin Type Variant In service Notes
Combat Aircraft
MiG-25 Russia interceptor MiG-25S 13
MiG-29 Russia multirole MiG-29S/UB/M/M2 32 / 14[12][13]
Sukhoi Su-24 Russia attack Su-24M2/MR/MR 22[14] modernized to M2 format[15]
Sukhoi Su-30 Russia air superiority Su-30MKA 57 16 on order[14]
Reconnaissance
Beechcraft 1900 United States surveillance 1900D 6[14]
Gulfstream G550 United States ISR 3[16][17]
Tanker
Ilyushin Il-78 Russia aerial refueling Il-78MP 5
Transport
ATR 72 France / Italy VIP transport 600 1[18]
Airbus A340 France VIP transport A340-500 1[19]
Beechcraft 1900 United States transport 1900D 6[14]
C-130 Hercules United States tactical airlift C-130H 14[14]
C-130J Super Hercules United States tactical airlift 4 on order[20]
CASA C-295 Spain transport 5[14]
Ilyushin Il-76 Russia tactical airlift 13[14]
Super King Air United States utility 90/200/350 24[14] 3 aircraft provide maritime patrol
Pilatus PC-6 Switzerland utility 2[14] STOL capable aircraft
Helicopters
Bell 412 United States utility 3[14]
PZL Mi-2 Poland liaison 22[14]
Mil Mi-8 Russia utility / attack Mi-17/171 137[14] 42 Mi-171Sh2[21]
Mil Mi-24 Russia attack 33[14] upgraded by the Paramount Group[22]
Mil Mi-26 Russia heavy transport Mi-26T2[23] 16[24]
Mil Mi-28 Russia attack 12 30 on order[14]
Kamov Ka-27 Russia utility Ka-32 3[14]
Eurocopter AS355 France utility 14[14]
AgustaWestland AW101 United Kingdom / Italy VIP 2[25][26]
AgustaWestland AW139 Italy utility 11[14]
Trainer Aircraft
Aero L-39 Czech Republic trainer 55[14]
PZL W-3 Sokół Poland trainer / utility 8[14]
Yakovlev Yak-130 Russia LIFT / light combat 16[14]
AgustaWestland AW119 Italy rotorcraft trainer 8[14]
UAV
CH-4B China MALE UCAV [27]
CH-3A China surveillance [27]
Denel Seeker South Africa reconnaissance Seeker II 10[28]
Amel[29] Algeria surveillance
Al Fajer L-10[30] Algeria surveillance
Yabhon United 40 UAE / Algeria MALE UCAV produced locally[31]
Meteor/Selex Mirach 100/5[32] Italy reconnaissance
Incidents

mostly old stuff, Moroccan air force is well ahead from you, they will tackle your air force easily in the conflicts

Lol. We don't think these dudes (Moroccan Army) being trained by US Marines (June 2021)can sustain the attacks of the Algerian Military Forces for too long.

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don't changed your opinion and argument, you clearly said on last page, Algeria can erase Moroccan army in a day or two