France turns the screws on Imran Khan, declines upgrade for Mirage, subs and more

[Fawadqasim1]

as far as air defence systems are concerned we are using mistral manpads and crotale missile systems the latter is hopelessly outdated and we have it's chinese analogue which is its modernized form can anyone name other french air defence systems that i don't know of

 

[Tomcats]

Yeah given that the source is an Indian news network it's quite sketchy, but anyways Pakistani Mirages are already upgraded to ROSE standard. I'd be surprised if Dassault still provides supports to such old aircraft.

 

[The Eagle]

as far as air defence systems are concerned we are using mistral manpads and crotale missile systems the latter is hopelessly outdated and we have it's chinese analogue which is its modernized form can anyone name other french air defence systems that i don't know of

This is not about the French System at all..... After 27th Feb, 2019 Indians even tried to move SAAB in a complain and wishing to have some sanctions or whatever. So Indian Media been sanctioning Pakistan everywhere but for Indians only.

 

[Bratva]

The real reason to issue such a piece by HT is that India's fear of Pakistan access to Rafale.

France didn't say so but Indian Media was quick to shout. Furthermore, Augosta upgrade is already done by Turkey let alone the other references & stopping Mirage upgrade kits or whatever these Indians are up-to. Mirages are upgraded at MRF and parts wouldn't be an issue given the service life left for the fleet as well as their superannuation till the time of replacement. PAF Technicians are already trained by DASSAULT.



Eventually, Indian Ambassador was told like to keep calm and believe in this which is almost irrelevant. The beating by Mirage & Pakistan Access to Rafale; is very painful for Modi.

By the way, if that is the case then Indian establishment should also know that SISI has taken the Macron to the cleaners as well on similar issue and not to mention about PAF buying already upgraded Egyptian Mirages mostly for spare support and further addition to the existing fleet. The fleet is going to fly till replacement and neither the so-called Indian Ambassador nor the Hindustan Times can do anything. In-fact, the whole Muslim world has condemned Macron for his provocation & arrogance. I will be waiting for how many nations among those are being sanctioned by France like this allegedly but No.... only Pakistan has to be sanctioned in parallel world because Indian Ambassador visited so.


After such news piece, Indian Media be like:

Ab France sikhaye ga Pakistan ko sabak
Mirage Tayaray reh gaye zameen par (q k pichli dafa unhu mara or India kuch na kar saka)
PAF ura na sakay gi vemaan
Navy reh jaye gi pareshan q k Pakistan ki abdoz rahay gi gar par
Pakistani Navy ab le na sakay gi pani ma sans
and go on man.

@airomerix eluded to Mirage upgrade program last year plus the Mirage purchase from Egypt has been put on hold. Pakistan is buying harnesses from France for JF-17. As per latest report

Pakistan imports from France were of $420.09 million during 2019, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. Pakistan’s imports from France - data, historical chart and statistics – were last updated this month. The key items being imported from France are pharmaceutical products- $ 110.21 million, machinery nuclear reactors, boilers $ 53.04 million, organic chemicals, $ 37.77 million, dairy products, eggs, honey, edible products, $ 28.35 million, aircraft, spacecraft, $ 26.44 million, miscellaneous chemical products $ 18.87 million, electrical, electronic equipment $ 18.61 million, iron and steel $16.82 million, optical, photo, technical, medical apparatus $ 16.80 million and plastic.

GSP+ scheme of EU: Country faces prospect of suspension

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan may reportedly face possible suspension of trade incentives available under Generalized System of Preferences plus (GSP+) scheme of European Union (EU) if any “coercive” action is taken against France, well informed sources told Business Recorder. According to a reported...

defence.pk

Many people don't realize Our MESMA AIP modules are 20+ year old now, Pakistan NAVY is actively looking to replace/upgrade them. If reports of India are to be believed, Pakistan approached Germany and was denied. Next logical choice was OEM i.e. France, now they are refusing to upgrade MESMA as well. It seems logical as upgraded AIP module would be installed in Indian Navy submarines. Although Maintenance and support for Old PN MESMA AIP module will be provided

We don't have to discount every news as fake. remember @PAR 5 thread that was deleted? South Koreans has refused to work with Pakistan Army or entertain their further requests for Military equipment due to them working with Indians?

We have to realize that Pakistan is facing problems in upgrading it's french equipment. The biggest caveat is Pakistan was looking to buy French HMD for JF-17 block-III. That thing went down the drain as well.

Then there is the case of our crown Jewel. EW Aircrafts of French origin which Jammed IAF communications. India will actively try to scuttle the upgrade of these aircrafts and will succeed so as well

 

[The Eagle]

@airomerix eluded to Mirage upgrade program last year plus the Mirage purchase from Egypt has been put on hold. Pakistan is buying harnesses from France for JF-17. As per latest report

Yes those upgrades were discussed back then but who knows what happened already. In harnesses department, I would like to say that a transition has taken place.... towards, self reliance per same standards and equipment is already imported and placed for production. Can't go further. Still, this is just an Indian News.

We have to realize that Pakistan is facing problems in upgrading it's french equipment. The biggest caveat is Pakistan was looking to buy French HMD for JF-17 block-III. That thing went down the drain as well.

French have already denied many a things for Pakistan and that was realized in the beginning. I mean at the time of Block-I.

Many people don't realize Our MESMA AIP modules are 20+ year old now, Pakistan NAVY is actively looking to replace/upgrade them. If reports of India are to be believed, Pakistan approached Germany and was denied. Next logical choice was OEM i.e. France, now they are refusing to upgrade MESMA as well. It seems logical as upgraded AIP module would be installed in Indian Navy submarines. Although Maintenance and support for Old PN MESMA AIP module will be provided

AIP issue was resolved accordingly back then, at the time of starting the upgrade.

 

[Khan vilatey]

@airomerix eluded to Mirage upgrade program last year plus the Mirage purchase from Egypt has been put on hold. Pakistan is buying harnesses from France for JF-17. As per latest report

Pakistan imports from France were of $420.09 million during 2019, according to the United Nations COMTRADE database on international trade. Pakistan’s imports from France - data, historical chart and statistics – were last updated this month. The key items being imported from France are pharmaceutical products- $ 110.21 million, machinery nuclear reactors, boilers $ 53.04 million, organic chemicals, $ 37.77 million, dairy products, eggs, honey, edible products, $ 28.35 million, aircraft, spacecraft, $ 26.44 million, miscellaneous chemical products $ 18.87 million, electrical, electronic equipment $ 18.61 million, iron and steel $16.82 million, optical, photo, technical, medical apparatus $ 16.80 million and plastic.

GSP+ scheme of EU: Country faces prospect of suspension

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan may reportedly face possible suspension of trade incentives available under Generalized System of Preferences plus (GSP+) scheme of European Union (EU) if any “coercive” action is taken against France, well informed sources told Business Recorder. According to a reported...

defence.pk

Many people don't realize Our MESMA AIP modules are 20+ year old now, Pakistan NAVY is actively looking to replace/upgrade them. If reports of India are to be believed, Pakistan approached Germany and was denied. Next logical choice was OEM i.e. France, now they are refusing to upgrade MESMA as well. It seems logical as upgraded AIP module would be installed in Indian Navy submarines. Although Maintenance and support for Old PN MESMA AIP module will be provided

We don't have to discount every news as fake. remember @PAR 5 thread that was deleted? South Koreans has refused to work with Pakistan Army or entertain their further requests for Military equipment due to them working with Indians?

We have to realize that Pakistan is facing problems in upgrading it's french equipment. The biggest caveat is Pakistan was looking to buy French HMD for JF-17 block-III. That thing went down the drain as well.

Then there is the case of our crown Jewel. EW Aircrafts of French origin which Jammed IAF communications. India will actively try to scuttle the upgrade of these aircrafts and will succeed so as well

Sanctions are an awesome thing, when we were sanctioned last we built the jf-17, alkahid tank, various ships in Pakistan. This restrictions by France means way more self reliance and maybe just maybe we may by the 5-6 squadrons of the j-31 as a strike fighter replacement for mirages.

K

 

[khail007]

Just an agony and painful reaction of 'prolapsed' Indian media/government based on lies, nothing true.

 

[Pandora]

LoL What a load of crap

1- Pakistani subs are being upgraded by STM Turkey not France

2- Pakistani Mirages get locally overhauled and spares sourced locally and there are no plans to upgrade them any further. By now Pakistani engineers can probably build them from scratch. Pakistan is actively looking for its replacement which might come in the form of J10 or FC-31.

3- French responded to Pakistani ROI for Naval Helos which was declined in initial review.

Ever since France declined deal for Avionics for JF 17 Pakistan didnt buy a single thing from france so its been almost 15 years with no defense relations. Indians as usual are running their verbal diarrhea.

See, this is what happens when you have a big mouth.

No this is what happens when you are biased and lack knowledge on the topic. You could have done a bit of research before running your mouth on some Indian Propaganda piece.

 

[tman786]

Can Indian media report anything other than fake news?

 

[mudas777]

C'mon guys, this is a Pakistani Defence Forum, at least we should be recognising India pake newj.

- What program is going on to upgrade the Mirages? None. Everything we do to them we do at Kamra, we buy parts from foreign nations by canabilising their spare fleets. I very much doubt Dassult even has a production like for 60's era fighters anymore. We'll be looking to retire these soon, not upgrade them.

- Agosta 90B, the upgrades are currently being done by a Turkish firm.

Even the bit about the Qatari Rafales - it's been news on this forum for years. Half of you guys were taunting the Indians that our pilots had flown the Rafale before theirs had.

It just goes to show what buttons you have to press that makes Pakistani's to be at each other throats. Lets be real here we don't have any programs going on above mentioned articles.

That dipstick have planted the story here and you guys have lost your marbles when will you learn to think rationally.

You guys have forgotten that France refused to sell us gadgets for JF 17 program and we got it from elsewhere and that turned out to be a better option looking at it now. After Agosta 90B submarines when we approached France for scorpion submarines they refused and advised us to buy some other submarine from them that name i can't remember which were not potent enough as scorpions. Decades latter now we are ready to receive Chinese submarines and am hoping that program will be a much better for us in the long term.
Mirage 111/V are here to stay in the PAF inventory and we don't really need any help from the Frog's to keep them flying as its matter of time they will be heading for the retirement soon. 90B submarines are being upgraded by Turkey for us not by again frogs so bro's be less emotional, analyse the news, sleep over it and then comment. What ever we wanted to know about Rafale we already know it, its too late for France to do anything about it.
On the other note France is the country who always tries to sabotage our efforts on Kashmiri struggle in the united nation security council debate. France is doing it from last 2 years and that was much before IK criticised cross dresser Macron so that country is working against our interests from a long time so open your eyes and wise up a bit. Why you think IK said our future is linked with China as there are much bigger games are at play and IK criticism of lesser man is just a storm in a tea cup.

 

[Riz]

See, this is what happens when you have a big mouth.

COWminded Patwari spotted..

 

[M.AsfandYar]

See, this is what happens when you have a big mouth.

We are not dependent on them for upgrades. Empty Threats

 

[IceCold]

See, this is what happens when you have a big mouth.

So disrespecting the Prophet for you is alright and defending him is being Big Mouth? PM Khan did the right thing by calling out French President on its bigotry and Islamophobia comments.
As for military equipment, whether we spoke out or not, the reality is that French are completely in bed with India and nothing tangible would have come out specially in terms of military equipment from them. No wonder our subs were upgraded in Turkey.

 

[SD 10]

LoL What a load of crap

1- Pakistani subs are being upgraded by STM Turkey not France

2- Pakistani Mirages get locally overhauled and spares sourced locally and there are no plans to upgrade them any further. By now Pakistani engineers can probably build them from scratch. Pakistan is actively looking for its replacement which might come in the form of J10 or FC-31.

3- French responded to Pakistani ROI for Naval Helos which was declined in initial review.

Ever since France declined deal for Avionics for JF 17 Pakistan didnt buy a single thing from france so its been almost 15 years with no defense relations. Indians as usual are running their verbal diarrhea.


No this is what happens when you are biased and lack knowledge on the topic. You could have done a bit of research before running your mouth on some Indian Propaganda piece.

If i am not wrong we rejected the proposal by DCN to upgrade agosta 90b and instead gave it to STM turkey??

 

[HalfMoon]

LOL

More bluster and fake news from the Indians.

Pakistan has moved away from France a long time ago.

All our latest purchases are from China and Russia.

Pakistan should strictly boycott all French, kick the their ambassador in Pakistan and close their embassy.