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France transferring submarine technology to India

France transferring submarine technology to India

2011-01-09 15:20:00
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New Delhi, Jan 9 (IANS) India should be able to produce more than one sophisticated submarine every year, thanks to the transfer of high technology from the French leader in naval defence systems.

According to Patrick Boissier, chairman and CEO of DCNS, which is executing India's biggest submarine building programme for six diesel-electric Scorpene submarines, said that India's Mazagon Docks Ltd (MDL) had already 'absorbed the demanding technologies associated with hull fabrication' and that hulls for the first two submarines had been completed.

The delivery of the advanced combat systems for the first submarine would also be complete soon, and it should be launched by 2014.

Boissier, who was in New Delhi as part of French Pressident Nicolas Sarkozy's delegation, was quoted by India Strategic defence magazine (..:: India Strategic ::.. Home Page: The authoritative monthly on Defence and Strategic Affairs.) as saying that the 'construction of hulls for the third and fourth submarines was in progress while the frame to receive the hull of the fifth submarine is under manufacture.'

Boissier observed that Asia would see a staggering growth in the number of submarines in the next 10 years, and various countries in the region could acquire some 100 submarines. There were naval defence opportunities both in South-east Asia and the Arab Gulf region.

DCNS was particularly keen to cooperate with Indian companies, both public and private sector, towards building indigenous capabilities, and also to invest in the defence sector in India for building ships and submarines.

He said that DCNS was looking up to collaborating with India on the next line of six more submarines, as also to supply components for nuclear power plants. France has proposed that its Areva should build several 1650 MW units. Areva has developed technology for the biggest and the most advanced nuclear power plants in the world.

DCNS, Boissier said, could supply some high technology sub-components for these nuclear plants.

Notably, the Scorpene project has been delayed but Boissier said that at present, DCNS was 'conducting genuine transfers of technologies and of know-how at an unprecedented level.'

'We are providing our Indian partners with technical assistance to manufacture equipments through indigenisation programmes.'

It may be recalled that India had bought four HDW submarines from Germany in the 1980s, but due to controversies and allegations, whatever transfer of technology was done was lost, and all those who trained on the contemporary systems of the 1980s, have retired or left MDL.

According to MDL chairman and managing director Vice Admiral H S Mahi, MDL could now make submarine pressure hulls without any foreign collaboration and that the process for the prduction of Scorpenes was now smooth and satisfactory.

Boissier visited MDL and met with Mahi to review the progress of the Scorpene construction. MDL is sourcing some important critical sub-systems from other companies also. Nonetheless, DCNS has offered to modify the Scorpene design and supply Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) systems for the last of the two submarines.

The Indian Navy is terribly short of submarine capability, loaded as it has been with the old Soviet vintage Foxtrot and Kilo class, and four German HDWs. A tender for six more P 75-I more advanced submarines, with AIP capability for longer underwater stay, is likely to be floated in 2011 for simultaneous construction at two or three shipyards to make up for the delay in acquisition.

The underlying theme though is Transfer of Technology and building indigenous capabilities. The value of this project could be twice that of the current Scorpene project, and match or exceed the estimated $ 10 billion-plus cost of 126 Medium Multi Role Aircraft (M-MRCAs) being acquired by the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Boissier said that it should be logical for DCNS to bag this project, as an extension of the ToT that it would have transferred to the Indian shipyard.

'We understand that India wants to build indigenous capabilities, and we are ready to transfer the best of the technologies.'

As for the AIP, the tender for the Scorpenes did not have this requirement, but DCNS had now offered to fit this system on the last of the two submarines under the ongoing project. 'We have made an informal proposal to the Navy for AIP technology in the last two of the Scorpenes that will be built at MDL. Now it is up to the navy to take a call on this proposal. We have held informal discussions in this regard.'

AIP allows a submarine to operate without the need to surface or use a snorkel to access atmospheric oxygen and it usually excludes the use of nuclear power, but is about augmenting or replacing diesel-electric propulsion system of non-nuclear vessels. US, Russia, France, Germany, Spain and Sweden are some of the countries which have the AIP technology on their submarines.

Boissier told India Strategic: Through local partnership arrangements, such as the one we have with MDL, we can offer the Indian Navy the ability to build vessels in India, based on proven designs and incorporating the full range of DCNS technologies. Local partnerships will also facilitate in-service maintenance and through-life support. These are win-win partnerships for greater heights, where all parties enhance their capabilities.'
 
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So we have to wait another four years for scorpene subs in indian navy:cry::cry:
 
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Its gonna be more lethal when it happens.
 
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Its gonna be more lethal when it happens.
Pakistan is acquiring 3 A214 subs which is more superior than our first series of Scorpene. But yeah the better news is we are now capable to work on our own sub.

The second project P75I, would let us to develop our own subs with the best technology in the world.

My only concern is that it would take around 10-12 years to complete this project and by the time it would be completed a next generation sub would be in the market and then there would be one more project for the next line of subs.
 
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Pakistan is acquiring 3 A214 subs which is more superior than our first series of Scorpene. But yeah the better news is we are now capable to work on our own sub.

The second project P75I, would let us to develop our own subs with the best technology in the world.

My only concern is that it would take around 10-12 years to complete this project and by the time it would be completed a next generation sub would be in the market and then there would be one more project for the next line of subs.

acquiring ???? Since when buddy
 
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acquiring ???? Since when buddy

They want to, but the deal was never fixed, lack of funding, ToT issues, waiting for the outcome of the Indian deal, all possible reasons. Anyway, even with their Agosta subs they have an advantage over IN, because they already get AIP.
 
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We should leave France from our aviation deals but to focus on Navy deals.

All deals should be JVs for surface as well as sub marines with full TOT and co designing and production, since French design is the best and even Russia is buying ships from them.. Now we have money and should co produce/co design with them..
 
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They want to, but the deal was never fixed, lack of funding, ToT issues, waiting for the outcome of the Indian deal, all possible reasons. Anyway, even with their Agosta subs they have an advantage over IN, because they already get AIP.

that i know,but now lets ask germany "R they willing to sale U 214 again" ??:lol:
 
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We should leave France from our aviation deals but to focus on Navy deals.

All deals should be JVs for surface as well as sub marines with full TOT and co designing and production, since French design is the best and even Russia is buying ships from them.. Now we have money and should co produce/co design with them..

Why shouldn't we get the same advantages in the aviation deals as well?

- Thales has JV with Samtel for Topsight I HMS and other avionics
- Snecma now has a JV for the Kaveri engine
- French MBDA is developing Maitri SAM and proposed other JV in the weapon fields
- Turbomecca had a JV for the Shakti engine of Dhruv
- France is the 2nd partner of EADS (which holds over 40% of Dassault aviation btw) and they are likely to win the LUH and tanker competitions as well
- The Sepecat Jaguar that HAL already produced under licence is partly developed by French Bréguet, which now is Dassault Aviation
- Dassault Aviation was a consultant in the LCA design

P.S.

- Not to forget all the Cheetah/Cheetal/Chetak helicopter that we produced with French ToT for years


As you can see, there are already numerous of links between both aviation fields, which means a similar deep transfer of technology is likely through these deals in the aviation field as well.


that i know,but now lets ask germany "R they willing to sale U 214 again" ??:lol:

According to some German media reports, the security council of the Gov approved the deal even last year, but still it never was fixed.
The current GoG is very biased towards economy and industry, that's why I do think they would sell them to Pakistan. However, if they see real chances to win the Indian deal, which is twice as big, why should they limit themself to the smaller order too early.
 
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