France to sell Egypt 30 fighter jets in $4.5 bln deal -report

[The SC]

I think the rumor of a lost Rafale was proved to be false.

Egypt bought 30 Rafale F3R and those currently in service will also be upgraded to the F3R standard. The weapon package is unknown as of yet. (But should include meteor?)

All currently produced Rafales are F4.1 ready. (Mostly software upgrade)

The F4.2 standard which will receive all the hardware upgrade of the F4 standard will need the Rafale to come back to the factory for extensive upgrade work.

F4.1 starts in 2022.. and F4.2 in 2027

Means the Egyptian new Rafale are F4.. since they will be delivered between 2024 and 2026..

 

[Vergennes]

F4.1 starts in 2022.. and F4.2 in 2027

Means the Egyptian new Rafale are F4.. since they will be delivered between 2024 and 2026..

It's been confirmed the new Egyptian Rafale are going to be of the F3R standard. The F4 standard will be validated in 2024 but certain functions will be available from 2022.

 

[The SC]

yes, ours. profit sharing, local production and everything (that includes a lot of locally developed electronics as well, sans radar, and a lot of locally developed weapons). what does Saudi and Egypt have to offer in that area, despite being far richer than Pakistan?

The made under license area you mean..

 

[ziaulislam]

What common sense!? When the US with all its potent platforms is looking for a light fighter to add to its inventory..

There were also two visits by Pakistan COAS to Egypt in the last year to discuss defense cooperation..

F16 is a light fighter
My guess is EAF will add 250 medium fighters in form of mig35~100, rafale~100 and typhoon ~50 this along with 250 f16 will cover all needs of EAF making it a formidble(albeit over stretched logistically) force

So i expct further orders on mig35, rafale in 3-5 yrs

 

[The SC]

F16 is a light fighter
My guess is EAF will add 250 medium fighters in form of mig35~100, rafale~100 and typhoon ~50 this along with 250 f16 will cover all needs of EAF making it a formidble(albeit over stretched logistically) force

So i expct further orders on mig35, rafale in 3-5 yrs

Yes true.. but the F-16 is considered a medium fighter.. same category as the Mig-35..

It's been confirmed the new Egyptian Rafale are going to be of the F3R standard. The F4 standard will be validated in 2024 but certain functions will be available from 2022.

Where was it confirmed?

1) From your post ..you say that the F4 will be validated in 2024 which coincides with the start date of delivery to Egypt

2) The ammunition deal is not only from MBDA, but also from Safran .. meaning that the AASM1000 bomb is included..

Therefore this deal is about the F4 standard as it is the only one capable of carrying this bomb..

 

[Gomig-21]

Congratulations to our Egyptian friends! 30 Rafales for a total of 53 Rafale F3s is a very credible fleet of the pre-eminent 4th gen combat fighter. (Given that 1 Egyptian Rafale was lost in April 2019)

@Gomig-21
So I take it this means that the possible deal for Typhoons is now scrapped? This is a lot more sensible. A larger fleet will be easier to maintain logistics wise, easier to train pilots, technicians, etc..plus more sensible from the POV of weapons commonality.

Could you just confirm if the 30 new Rafales are to be the F3R type or is Egypt going to wait till the F4 variant is in production?

Also, is Meteor going to be supplied with these 30?

Thank you, my friend. This came as a bit of a surprise because right before that, the Italian mega deal including the typhoons was 'kinda' announced as in its final stages and everyone was talking about that, then boom, this comes out of the corner. Hard to tell about the Typhoons, really. Not sure if they can pull them out of the deal and make another deal or get them and use them to replace the old Mirage 2000 as a special unit?

In this day and age, unless you see a tweet from one of the military representatives or defense minister give details, that's really the only source to trust.

But like @Vergennes said, the assembly line now should be set up for the F4 variant (if I understood his post correctly) so I would think that's the type for these 30. The rest might just stay as F3R I don't think it would be worth the huge spending on upgrading the 23 or 24. Hard to tell if that was a crash with a K8 and a lost Rafale or if it was saved and repaired or just a close call. So many stories out there and the EAF doesn't announce any accidents unless it's pretty obvious and many people take pics and post them. Even then, they don't say much I think they prefer to be quiet about any of those things, not sure why. Accidents happen all the time lol.

 

[ARMalik]

Buying fighter jets from foreign countries is like buying a computer where you can only do 40% tasks out of a possible 100% by using that computer because you do not have access to the additional features.

 

[Titanium100]

Buying fighter jets from foreign countries is like buying a computer where you can only do 40% tasks out of a possible 100% by using that computer because you do not have access to the additional features.

This is hilarious and BS but funny tho.. A fighter jet is not a computer and doesn't have that many technicality it does specific work take off, stay in air, have ability to move around and dodge rockets, radar systems and pay load. The buyers do full feasibility and they bought it in the first place due to it's build in and you are telling me they will send it over hollow

 

[Wilhelm II]

Buying fighter jets from foreign countries is like buying a computer where you can only do 40% tasks out of a possible 100% by using that computer because you do not have access to the additional features.

Seriously?!!!!!!!!

 

[Gomig-21]

Could be loan from France and that will be paid yearly

It most certainly is. A 10-year loan to be paid by them. Not sure if there has been a deposit (possibly substantial) to decrease the payments and interest. This was officially announced in Frnace.

It's more of an issue of figuring out what Egyptian military-run businesses are doing that our military-run firms aren't. I can't help but feel the Egyptians have learned the art of "delegation" and put business people in charge of their companies, and now they're signing big cheques.

What makes you think that? It's really too bad you feel that way because before any of these purchases happen, and the first one was a MEGA deal with the two mistral LHD/helicopter carriers and FREMM Frigate and 4 Gowinds as well as the first 24 Rafales for a total of approximately $6 billion for all of that. That was negotiated through financing through French Banks. Before any of these deals were made, there is an entire ministry of finance planning that keeps records and have a large team of financial experts that comb through every single available revenues and expenditures and the percentages of a successful ability to make all payments on time and have no issues that would asses any other matters. They even create charts that if war broke out, what would be the effect on these purchases and have a huge list of scenarios that are considered by a large delegation of generals and Sisi and the all get a chance to speak their opinion until it is decided unanimously to either go ahead or not. This isn't child's play, come on, man. The revenues and expenditures and very careful & securely managed by a high level team of financial administrators.

 

[retaxis]

Did the Egyptians ever consider the J-10C? Its a 4++ fighter and significantly cheaper then Eurofighter or rafale

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

You make it seem like it is not a big deal. It is. I honestly don’t know where your confidence is coming from. I am hoping that Egypt finally receives them. Have a look at this article when you get a chance:

France and the Sale of Rafale to Egypt: Sans Meteor - Second Line of Defense

By Pierre Tran Paris – France withheld the sale of the Meteor long-range, air-to-air missile to Egypt in response to a request from Israel, an arms specialist said. That French decision to forego an order for the Meteor missile differed from an initial withholding of the Scalp cruise missile to...

sldinfo.com

Any reasonable person would obviously believe that whatever that military expert is trying to say is BS. In case you have not read or taken notice what he wrote in the article:

" Israel, which is flying the F-35 fighter jet, developed its Derby air-to-air missile in response to an initial US rejection of a sale of the advanced medium-range air-to-air missile (AMRAAM), the second specialist said. There was eventually a policy switch, with Washington agreeing to allow sales of the AMRAAM for the Israeli F-35. "

Well obviously this must be telling you that writer was some how drunk writing the article!!!!??? Well how was Israel flying its warplanes the past several decades if the Israel had to develop the derby in place of the AMRAAM! And the US has never refused Israel the AMRAAM through out its history. This whole articles is obviously BS or he has join gotten conversions from people in social media.

 

[Vergennes]

Yes true.. but the F-16 is considered a medium fighter.. same category as the Mig-35..

Where was it confirmed?

1) From your post ..you say that the F4 will be validated in 2024 which coincides with the start date of delivery to Egypt

It was confirmed by the French MoD. Let's see if some functions of the F4 standard will be integrated or no as I said current Rafales are F4.1 ready as the upgrade is mostly on the software.

 

[The SC]

It was confirmed by the French MoD. Let's see if some functions of the F4 standard will be integrated or no as I said current Rafales are F4.1 ready as the upgrade is mostly on the software.

F4.1 will br ready in 2022 and F4.2 in 2027

Current is the F3r

This is what is found in serious sources..

But if you come up with the MoD source ..that might be believable..

 

[Titanium100]

Did the Egyptians ever consider the J-10C? Its a 4++ fighter and significantly cheaper then Eurofighter or rafale

I think they should go for 25 J10s to test them and add them also to the growing inventory.. The chinese fighter jets are either very underrated rightly so or it is due to bias against them but either way Egypt should try to find out the answer