France starts ban on full-face veil

[Dubious]

I don't see how anything you said corresponds to the laws that these countries are passing or have passed, my question to Argus was how effective would opposing this French law in EU court be? when many European countries are in the process of banning it or are thinking on those lines.

Seven in 10 back burka ban - Politics News - Austrian Independent Online News - English Newspaper

@illusion8 did YOU read the article? They are not sure of ANYTHING...

 

[illusion8]

thats ur logic?
just like germany,italy,spain and japan were wrong in world war 2

???? that's your logic? correlating internal laws with international disputes and wars?

 

[Dubious]

Saudi Arabia is a dictatorship/monarchy. It is certainly not a democracy.

Iran is a controlled democracy. So the actions of their government have some legitimacy. Whether we agree with those actions or not is onto us. They on their part are not wrong in any domestic legislation as long as it does not violate a previous commitment/treaty.

@Contrarian didnt you say their country their laws? Well, why differentiate now?

 

[Contrarian]

@Contrarian didnt you say their country their laws? Well, why differentiate now?

The choices made by the people.

Did i not make that clear?
A democracy is free to legislate - whatever that legislation may be.

Saudi Arabia is not a democracy. France is.

 

[Vinod2070]

@Vinod2070 Athaan is banned, we said fine, praying in the open is banned we said fine, now they want to go a step further...All I am saying is this should stop...Under the freedom hood they are banning EVERYTHING....

Either they openly accept they are intolerant people incapable of giving equal rights or they give equal rights....there is no half way...

what culture?

I don't think that Muslims are not given religious rights in France or Europe.

In fact, they get more rights than in almost any Islamic country. Most Islamic countries suppress the non dominant sects, not the secular countries.

 

[Alpha1]

???? that's your logic? correlating internal laws with international disputes and wars?

I JUST PROVED TO U THAT "SEVERAL" COUNTRIES CAN BE WRONG AT THE SAME TIME

 

[Pboy]

Just to say it,

I dont like or agree with many of RSAs laws.

I dont agree with many laws here in Norway either.

 

[Dubious]

The choices made by the people.

Did i not make that clear?
A democracy is free to legislate - whatever that legislation may be.

Saudi Arabia is not a democracy. France is.

@Contrarian I am talking about how you eagerly agreed their country their laws....why the double standard now?

 

[anonymus]

The french, Belgians and dutch are not banning burka because they hate it or are concerned about handful of their citizens not integrating or because burka is a security threat.Irrespective of what reason they give,the reason that they are banning burka is because it is a symbol.

It is a symbol of segregation but that issue is secondary as nobody cares if someone decides to segregates himself.Criminals and mental patients are forced to segregate and this concern of dis-segregation does not arise in their case.

The act of burka banning is directly related to supremacism and nose thumping done by the likes of anjem chaudhary and rioters of Marseilles and Paris.The supremacist ideology of radicals entice in its opponent emotions ranging from fear-hatred-disgust.A burka clad women in this scenario is subconsciously constructed as an enemy combatant,an active agent of civil disobedience which needs to be nullified.

It is an counter assertion of power by Europeans in face of propaganda and nose thumping by Islamic radicals and their insecurities and disgust at being outnumbered (because of propaganda being more shrill).The excuse whether of Secularism or equality or democracy are just excuses and are thrown to explain something whose explanation is more baser.

It is the reason that france has problem with just 200 burka clad women and why argument of any party does not makes complete sense.
@Vinod2070 @Contrarian @Talon @ZYXW

 

[ZYXW]

@Talon I have not followed this thread so please forgive me if this question has been answered before.

If certain countries can ban bikinis for women, then why can't other countries ban facial veils for women too?

The answer is that they can't ban either. No government should ever be given that right. It should not be the government's job to decide any of those things!!

 

[Dubious]

I don't think that Muslims are not given religious rights in France or Europe.

In fact, they get more rights than in almost any Islamic country. Most Islamic countries suppress the non dominant sects, not the secular countries.

@Vinod2070 what rights? we cant have open athaan nor can we pray openly....but church bells in UK, Italy, Spain some other parts of central and south Europe and some of the other countries can ring in to bring more tourists? Empty churches are rented by Muslims for their prayers otherwise the buildings would have needed to break their historical structures....

What rights? the basic right to pray, call to prayer is taken, now basic right to dress is being challenged under the word FREEDOM !

The answer is that they can't ban either. No government should ever be given that right. It should not be the government's job to decide any of those things!!

@ZYXW EXACTLY....after calling themselves Secular they malign the word!!

THAT is all I am against!! Not against them banning face veil for security reasons...but against them corrupting or having double standards!!

 

[Contrarian]

@Contrarian I am talking about how you eagerly agreed their country their laws....why the double standard now?

The sole reason why i eagerly agree to their laws is that they are a democracy. If they are passing a law, it means the majority of the people of that country want this law.

But I disagree with laws in other countries like Saudi Arabia - is because they are NOT a democracy. They are foisting laws on their country that their citizens may or may not like or want.
Quite the same with Pakistan - horrible laws like the hudood ordinances were brought about by a dictator.
Thus i disagree with them.

 

[Alpha1]

The sole reason why i eagerly agree to their laws is that they are a democracy. If they are passing a law, it means the majority of the people of that country want this law.

But I disagree with laws in other countries like Saudi Arabia - is because they are NOT a democracy. They are foisting laws on their country that their citizens may or may not like or want.
Quite the same with Pakistan - horrible laws like the hudood ordinances were brought about by a dictator.
Thus i disagree with them.

even IF they are better and more free than made my democracy

 

[Vinod2070]

@Vinod2070 what rights? we cant have open athaan nor can we pray openly....but church bells in UK, Italy, Spain some other parts of central and south Europe and some of the other countries can ring in to bring more tourists? Empty churches are rented by Muslims for their prayers otherwise the buildings would have needed to break their historical structures....

Why do you need to pray openly?

Praying in mosques and homes is not good enough?

They are Judo-Christian countries. Church bells go with that.

What rights? the basic right to pray, call to prayer is taken, now basic right to dress is being challenged under the word FREEDOM !

Aren't you exaggerating? There are so many mosques everywhere in Europe. No one is stopping you.

Just that you seem to want ever more.

Did you (and other Muslims) ever complain about how it is in Islamic countries where the rights of non Muslims and even other Muslim sects are non existent for the most part?

 

[Dubious]

The sole reason why i eagerly agree to their laws is that they are a democracy. If they are passing a law, it means the majority of the people of that country want this law.

But I disagree with laws in other countries like Saudi Arabia - is because they are NOT a democracy. They are foisting laws on their country that their citizens may or may not like or want.
Quite the same with Pakistan - horrible laws like the hudood ordinances were brought about by a dictator.
Thus i disagree with them.

@Contrarian well, then Saudis should declare they are democrats as they are clearly doing what democrats in EU are doing