France starts ban on full-face veil

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You think wearing that is all voluntarily based???

Do think its all forced? the protests in france r being done my men?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You still do not understand it.

European countries are founded by Christian faith. Even though they are subtle on this issue with all of those human rights craps, the fundamental message is that they do not like that type of clothing and they view it a symbol of repressing women.

You are an outsider and your religion is an outsider. French people are the first to tell you that they do not like that crap and they set up the law to ask you to take it off. You refuse? Then go to prison enjoying the life there.

I bet more western countries will follow that as well. Well, wearing it does not hurt me physically. However, it does hurt me by giving me much insecurity when I am around people with such crap.

As I have stated clearly: you do not like it, get out of France and go home. Or see whether French cares when you never go there.

Those ppl have made france their home they r as french as u r american........... U ordering them wat to do is as big as an arab french guy telling u to get out of USA coz u wear chinese clothes or burn insense on ur sacred days.

Also tell me wat will u do if US govt asks ur sis or wife to wear a bikini? will u get out of USA or lodge a protest?

P.S=Dnt represent nobdy except urself.

 

[huzihaidao12]

You think wearing that is all voluntarily based???

That by their decision, but not mandatory decision by the French, or French to enact legislation to protect the people freedom of choice, but not forced to use another law to replace.

 

[ephone]

Well, I believe a lot of them, not all, are being forced.

About those protests by women, well, let me give you example.

When communists took over China and make it illegal to be a prostitute and foot-binding, there were also many women protesting those as well.

They also said why they could not do whatever they want to their own body???

Do think its all forced? the protests in france r being done my men?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Well, I believe a lot of them, not all, are being forced.

About those protests by women, well, let me give you example.

When communists took over China and make it illegal to be a prostitute and foot-binding, there were also many women protesting those as well.

They also said why they could not do whatever they want to their own body???

Retarded examples......... n now ur representing muslim women too...

Dnt talk abt stuff u dnt know abt.

 

[ephone]

when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Clearly many muslims have no intention to integrate into the host countries and have caused great distrust against them. Before crying a river about unfair, ask yourself what you have done to earn the trust of host countries.

Those ppl have made france their home they r as french as u r american........... U ordering them wat to do is as big as an arab french guy telling u to get out of USA coz u wear chinese clothes or burn insense on ur sacred days.

Also tell me wat will u do if US govt asks ur sis or wife to wear a bikini? will u get out of USA or lodge a protest?

P.S=Dnt represent nobdy except urself.

 

[ephone]

Retarded examples......... n now ur representing muslim women too...

Dnt talk abt stuff u dnt know abt.

I have no interest to represent them, just show my sympathy towards them.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

when in Rome, do as the Romans do.

Clearly many muslims have no intention to integrate into the host countries and have caused great distrust against them. Before crying a river about unfair, ask yourself what you have done to earn the trust of host countries.

Hatred has no cure.
God bless u.

 

[Meengla]

I don't think I agree with the 'when in Rome...' argument: It would make a dull,uni-dimensional world. Look at how the immigrants contribute toward their host countries' culture. The world is richer because of that.

Having said that, I must say that there are lines to be drawn. There is no such thing as 'absolute freedom'. When we live in a society we, implicitly, agree to their social norms. Just like the sight of women in skirt disgusts people in Saudi Arabia (sounds strange, doesn't it?) the burqah-clad women must grate on the nerves of so many in western countries. Especially if the burqah can be used to hide one's identity.

 

[Hindustani]

Good for France

I heard somewhere that the turban won't be banned.. can anyone clarify that?

 

[Meengla]

Good for France

I heard somewhere that the turban won't be banned.. can anyone clarify that?

Nor should turbans be banned. Similarly, hard scarves like they do in Iran or Turkey should not be banned either. Show your face. Don't hide your identity when required. You are okay. Let's be sensitive to the security and the local majority population's sensitivities and fears. That should apply world-wide. Remember: There is no absolute freedom. Adapt or live elsewhere. The world is too dangerous and too immature for some ideals.

I am suspicious of Sarkozy's motives behind this ban. I have heard that there are only about 2000 women in all of France who don the burqah. And that Sarkozy is eying some political gains by appeasing far-right in this country. If true then it is unfortunate.

 

[Hindustani]

Nor should turbans be banned. Similarly, hard scarves like they do in Iran or Turkey should not be banned either. Show your face. Don't hide your identity when required. You are okay. Let's be sensitive to the security and the local majority population's sensitivities and fears. That should apply world-wide. Remember: There is no absolute freedom. Adapt or live elsewhere. The world is too dangerous and too immature for some ideals.

I am suspicious of Sarkozy's motives behind this ban. I have heard that there are only about 2000 women in all of France who don the burqah. And that Sarkozy is eying some political gains by appeasing far-right in this country. If true then it is unfortunate.

Absolutely agree with the bolded it's all about "identity" and security. And for the red part do you mean 2000 Muslim women?

 

[Bilal Akhtar]

france was the first country to repel incest laws... that explains much about their values..thankyou france...

 

[Meengla]

Absolutely agree with the bolded it's all about "identity" and security. And for the red part do you mean 2000 Muslim women?

Muslim. Yes, of course. I think I saw an article somewhere that implied a 'political connection' to the ban. Heck, it may be only 200 Muslim women in a population of Muslims approaching 10% or more in France. A real tiny number.

But I want to get to an important point about this Forum and that in hope that the Moderators and Members would pay attention:
I have read various arguments between @Ephone and others. It pains me to see that that guy is made to prove his nationality just because he differs from some majority opinion. I have been in the same boat a few times here. So I know. Yesterday, a particularly shallow and obnoxious Pakistani member called me a ' dear covert Indian'. If that attack had come from some mature members then I would have noticed. But this was just some kid. I ignored him. But in this topic there is a lot of back and forth between @Ephone and others about Chinese language to prove who is the real Chinese or otherwise. It was all too childish. I started skipping messages.
As I see it, most Indians would not like me for supporting Pakistan on Kashmir. I really believe in that cause. It is not just some 'Muslim' cause. I can start believing some Baluch cause if there is enough critical mass, for example. Also, I did not mind Christian E. Timor or South Sudan breaking away from respective Muslim countries. It was the will of the majority. Similarly, most Israelis would not like me supporting the Palestinians. They would automatically think, being a Pakistani, it is some 'Muslim' cause, even though support for Palestinians is found almost universally outside of America and Israel....

Who knows the depth of human nature, really? We can't really be sure of some other person. There are stereotypes--with some merits--but only to some extent.

Let's not put each other to prove our national loyalties. We can be rabid this or that but disproving one's nationality does not serve any purpose here.

 

[Birruna]

Turkey is not being allowed to be part of the EU. It is very obvious that EU members will fight tooth and nail to keep their christian identity intact. They are without doubt threatened by minarets and burqa. I can't see any other way around this problem. The european muslims must find a way to blend without losing their islamic identity. The first significant step in this direction could be to accept the burqa ban. Also in my view in a capitalistic society to advance the economic well being of the muslim family and community as a whole voluntaily efforts must be made to remove impediments that prevent participation of women in the workforce.