France sees huge rise in number of times police resort to using their guns

[Vergennes]

Figures made public for the first time have revealed a huge rise in the number of times police in France resort to opening fire with their service weapon. Some 14 people have been killed by police fire in the last year and around 100 injured.

The figures, which have never before been made public, were released by the General Inspectorate of the French police (IGPN) dubbed "the police of the police" in a move to appear more transparent.

They revealed that between July 2017 and May 2018 14 people have been killed and around 100 injured by bullets fired from police weapons.

Those killed include terrorists who had staged attacks such as the jihadist who killed who students at Marseille train station and the jihadist who went on a knife rampage in the Opera area of Paris in May before being shot dead by police.

According to the IGPN the number of times police use their service weapons rose by 54 percent in 2017.

In all, police firearms were used 394 times between 2016 and 2017.

Most cases were police officers firing their hand guns that they carry on them at all times, and many cases were linked to drivers refusing to comply with a police stop.

Among France's gendarmes, military police who mainly patrol rural areas around France, the rise in the use of fire arms was 15 percent.

The figures have been revealed during a climate that has seen police protest against the rising violence they face on the ground whilst officers have also come under scrutiny for violence towards suspects, several incidents of which were caught on camera and posted online, creating yet further anger.

The IGPN revealed that the number of investigations opened against police officers accused of violence rose to 574 in 2017 compared to 543 in 2016.

Marie-France Monéger-Guyomarc'h from the IGPN said each case where a policeman has opened fire was followed by an internal investigation.

In February 2017 the previous French government passed a law that widened the definition of "legitimate defense" which effectively made it easier for police officers to use their guns without being punished.

The move was designed to help police respond more effectively to terror attacks.

The spate of terror attacks in 2015 also saw police forces in rural towns across France move to arm themselves. Municipal police forces which police small towns had been able to decide for themselves whether or not to carry arms, but were positively encouraged to do so after the November 2015 attack in Paris.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20180627/french-police-resort-to-using-their-guns-more-than-ever-before

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Some 14 people have been killed by police

In UK the average is just over 2 a year.

 

[The SC]

In the US, these statistics are for less than a day..

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

In the US, these statistics are for less than a day..

Lol not 14 people a day more like 2.5.

 

[The SC]

Lol not 14 people a day more like 2.5.

It depends on the day, the week and the season..
2.5 is very conservative..

 

[Vergennes]

In UK the average is just over 2 a year.

The figure is a bit misleading as were counted in the 14,four people who have committed suicide or died while escaping during a police intervention without police actually directly involved in those death. 2 other deaths were terrorists killed.

I don't know if the figure actually includes the persons killed by Gendarmes or only by national police officers.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

It depends on the day, the week and the season..
2.5 is very conservative..

You only see it as conservative because the media hypes things so people think it’s worse than it truly is.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...police-shot-killed-987-people-2017-WPost.html
2017
987/365 = 2.7 people

 

[The SC]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...police-shot-killed-987-people-2017-WPost.html
2017
987/365 = 2.7 people

I am laughing about that .7 of a guy
Seriously it used to be much higher.. I think it is better now.. I am talking from knowledge in some criminology courses I took before.. the gang world was too bloody.. even the official Mafia looked like a kids play in comparison..

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I am laughing about that .7 of a guy
Seriously it used to be much higher.. I think it is better now.. I am talking from knowledge in some criminology courses I took before.. the gang world was too bloody.. even the official Mafia looked like a kids play in comparison..

I don’t have the numbers but I’m guessing that when they took police nightsticks away due to cries of Police brutality the number of shooting deaths probably went way up. Now that the demographics of the country is more older I think the shootings are either going down or leveling off.

 

[The SC]

I don’t have the numbers but I’m guessing that when they took police nightsticks away due to cries of Police brutality the number of shooting deaths probably went way up. Now that the demographics of the country is more older I think the shootings are either going down or leveling off.

Actually the Gang wars had nothing to do with the demographics of the US.. it was a huge problem on its own..still going on with rappers being murdered.. it is just quieter now that they have managed _through violence_ to split the criminal markets(drugs, prostitution...etc) between them.. just like the Mafia did..Police have no choice in the cases where weapons are in view, be it a knife or a gun.. but murder crimes go beyond this.. that is why I find those statistics very conservative.. still high though.. but they don't reflect reality.. There is much more violence out there in the US..

 

[Indus Pakistan]

demographics of the country

This is PDF so we can be politically incorrect. The real reason why US has such high number of shooting is the 10% Africans you have in your country. The fact is your average Afro is significantly larger/stronger then the median. This means police rely more on guns to counter the greater danger of physical harm.

Few weeks ago my brother who is a copper got a call at 4am of a Black man trying to break through the rear door of a house with a crow bar. The owner of the house had made a 999 call as she was looking down from her bedroom window. As my brother and his partner raced to the address he told me both were worried. As they parked the car and walked toward the rear garden he told me the fear struck every step they moved forward. A big Black guy with crow bar in the dark and cornered could end badly. My brother partner took out his taser and my brother readied his truncheon as they cornered the house. Thankfully the intruder had left probably knowing police was on the way.

Had this event unfolded in US it might have ended with guns being used.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Actually the Gang wars had nothing to do with the demographics of the US.. it was a huge problem on its own..still going on with rappers being murdered.. it is just quieter now that they have managed _through violence_ to split the criminal markets(drugs, prostitution...etc) between them.. just like the Mafia did..Police have no choice in the cases where weapons are in view, be it a knife or a gun.. but murder crimes go beyond this.. that is why I find those statistics very conservative.. still high though.. but they don't reflect reality.. There is much more violence out there in the US..

Well this is about police shootings not rappers being shot by gang members.

Here is how the nightstick met its end back in 1991...
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-rodney-king-baton-20160303-story.html

How the Rodney King beating 'banished' the baton from the LAPD

This is PDF so we can be politically incorrect. The real reason why US has such high number of shooting is the 10% Africans you have in your country. The fact is your average Afro is significantly larger/stronger then the median. This means police rely more on guns to counter the greater danger of physical harm.

Few weeks ago my brother who is a copper got a call at 4am of a Black man trying to break through the rear door of a house with a crow bar. The owner of the house had made a 999 call as she was looking down from her bedroom window. As my brother and his partner raced to the address he told me both were worried. As they parked the car and walked toward the rear garden he told me the fear struck every step they moved forward. A big Black guy with crow bar in the dark and cornered could end badly. My brother partner took out his taser and my brother readied his truncheon as they cornered the house. Thankfully the intruder had left probably knowing police was on the way.

Had this event unfolded in US it might have ended with guns being used.

You bet. If that guy started swinging or refused to put it down and walked towards them he’d be a goner.

 

[The SC]

Well this is about police shootings not rappers being shot by gang members.

Here is how the nightstick met its end back in 1991...
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-rodney-king-baton-20160303-story.html

How the Rodney King beating 'banished' the baton from the LAPD



You bet. If that guy started swinging or refused to put it down and walked towards them he’d be a goner.

I know but it is related to.. police use of their service weapons..when you go looking for criminals (and I do not expect you to know this police work).. you hold a meeting and discuss those criminals files..than plan your work according to the danger level..When you know that the guy you are after is armed and dangerous.. you are already thinking of using your gun..It can also be after a spontaneous call that "someone" is stabbing people on a street , or that gun shots were fired in some place..

@Kaptaan

Not all black guys are big and scary some small white, latino and blacks can be more dangerous.. that is just a perception.. ask your brother what he thinks if that guy was 6'4 250lb white man..doing the same thing!?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

ask your brother what he thinks if that guy was 6'4 250lb white man..doing the same thing!?

True. But certain profiles have higher frequency amongst differant demographics. So if that guy had been a 6'4 250 pounder Chinese he would still have felt the same but let's be honest. Who has higher then average numbers of 6'4 pumped up muscular types? Yep Blacks. It's not a coincidence that US, Canadian, UK etc sports requiring strength/speed are dominated by Blacks. Like my brother says "all between the shoulders but at the expense of between the ears".

And do check out the gun killings in London. While UK is in lockdown because of supposed Islamist threat more people are shot in " Black on Black" killings then all other deaths combined. In fact London gun crime would shrink to 20% of what it is now was it not for Blacks but media will avoid covering tis because of the "slavery guilt complex".

 

[The SC]

True. But certain profiles have higher frequency amongst differant demographics. So if that guy had been a 6'4 250 pounder Chinese he would still have felt the same but let's be honest. Who has higher then average numbers of 6'4 pumped up muscular types? Yep Blacks. It's not a coincidence that US, Canadian, UK etc sports requiring strength/speed are dominated by Blacks. Like my brother says "all between the shoulders but at the expense of between the ears".

We have big hockey players.. mostly whites.. Police here are big in average..It is still true that there are big black guys, I saw that mostly in the US.. but much less in Canada and Europe..I tink that a historical origin in slavery in the US where only the fittest survived the Atlantic crossing, and then the best of them survived in the harsh climates of the South..plus modern days relative comfort, to eat well and practice sports.. I've seen all kinds of people from different origins getting much taller and bigger than let's say their parents who arrived as immigrants..and all of it thanks to well balanced food and a lot of sports.. it is just amazing..be it small Asians with big and tall kids or other rather small people from different parts of the world.. this is a bit out the genes predisposition theory.. because it does not take into account the potential of those genes..

We have big hockey players.. mostly whites.. Police here are big in average..It is still true that there are big black guys, I saw that mostly in the US.. but much less in Canada and Europe..I tink that a historical origin in slavery in the US where only the fittest survived the Atlantic crossing, and then the best of them survived in the harsh climates of the South..plus modern days relative comfort, to eat well and practice sports.. I've seen all kinds of people from different origins getting much taller and bigger than let's say their parents who arrived as immigrants..and all of it thanks to well balanced food and a lot of sports.. it is just amazing..be it small Asians with big and tall kids or other rather small people from different parts of the world.. this is a bit out the genes predisposition theory.. because it does not take into account the potential of those genes..

That balack-black killing is also true in the gang wars here in North America.. but then you have the latino-latino one too ..which is relatively new.. but then there was the Italian-Italian murders previously.. this is all related to the underground world.. apart from the terrorism phenomena in Europe.. which is not apparently related to the Mafia or drug world in general.. but that is only how it appears.. deeper studies revealed undeniable links !!!