France says it cannot deliver Mistral warship to Russia over Ukraine

[Aepsilons]

IMO F-3 is too small to replace F-15. It's only JF-17 sized plus only has two 11,000 lb engines.

The size of fighter does not equate to air combat capability.

In WWII, the Mitsubishi A6M Zero was considered small compared to the British, American, Dutch variants, but it dominated the skies in the Asia Pacific for the first 3 years of the war. Speed and maneuverability gave the Japanese Zero the fighting edge, as proven when the Imperial Air Force eradicated all Dutch air units in the Battle of Java, as well as crushing American Air Power during the Conquest of the Philippines in 1942. It was much later in the war when the Americans introduced the Chance Vought F4U Corsair, that it changed the tide of naval aviation warfare.

mehhhhhhhh
can't wait til we move our factories out of China

LOL, hold your horses cowboy. It will be a gradual shift, not an acute one.

 

[C130]

The size of fighter does not equate to air combat capability.

In WWII, the Mitsubishi A6M Zero was considered small compared to the British, American, Dutch variants, but it dominated the skies in the Asia Pacific for the first 3 years of the war. Speed and maneuverability gave the Japanese Zero the fighting edge, as proven when the Imperial Air Force eradicated all Dutch air units in the Battle of Java, as well as crushing American Air Power during the Conquest of the Philippines in 1942. It was much later in the war when the Americans introduced the Chance Vought F4U Corsair, that it changed the tide of naval aviation warfare.



LOL, hold your horses cowboy. It will be a gradual shift, not an acute one.

don't forget the Grumman Hellcat as well

 

[mike2000]

The pendulum swung in favor of the Americans after Churchill and Roosevelt signed the Lend and Lease Act, in fact, the specifics of the Act practically doomed the British Empire's foreign possessions. The Yanks got preferential treatment in trade , as well as intellectual intel that allowed their armed forces to rule. Brittania was left with no choice, as it was under heel of the Wermacht.

Yanks helped Britain for a price,.... global supremacy.

You seem quite well versed in many subjects Nihonji.
Yes you are absolutely correct,i red about that as well. The lend and lease act was what doomed our empire. But its understandable, since we had fought/was just coming out from a long tiring war, which had worn out our resources/energy/wealth and destroyed our country. So it was untenable for us to hold on so much colonies/land abroad. We had to make some consessions to the U.S who emerged the strongest and untouched by the war. We would have still lost our empire/possesions/colonies anyway with time.The Lend and Lease Act with the U.S just precipitated it, and gave space for the U.S to emerge as a world superpower with global reach/bases

 

[Aepsilons]

don't forget the Grumman Hellcat as well

I think the Corsair was the revolutionary fighter that would dominate naval aviation for the next 15 years. The Corsairs were used also extensively during the Korean War.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

LOL, hold your horses cowboy. It will be a gradual shift, not an acute one.

The ecosystem of our manufacturing base is now untouchable, and you can take a try to move it out.

 

[mike2000]

The answer to this is the 'Genius Visa' aka H1B

Agree, and many of them will be Chinese, Indians and Russians.

 

[Aepsilons]

You seem quite well versed in many subjects Nihonji.
Yes you are absolutely correct,i red about that as well. The lend and lease act was what doomed our empire. But its understandable, since we had fought/was just coming out from a long tiring war, which had worn out our resources/energy/wealth and destroyed our country. So it was untenable for us to hold on so much colonies/land abroad. We had to make some consessions to the U.S who emerged the strongest and untouched by the war. We would have still lost our empire/possesions/colonies anyway with time.The Lend and Lease Act with the U.S just precipitated it, and gave space for the U.S to emerge as a world superpower with global reach/bases

The Americans are , indeed, strategic. Beyond a doubt. In defense of the British Empire tho, I will say that it executed its ability to fight the war and utilized all subjects throughout the Empire is rather impressive. Ive read military journals in the Battle of El Alemein in Africa in which British forces deployed Australians, Canadians, Sikh Rifles, Gurkha Rifles, Malays. It was if the entire Empire fought for its collective existence.

"For King and Empire..."

 

[C130]

I think the Corsair was the revolutionary fighter that would dominate naval aviation for the next 15 years. The Corsairs were sued also extensively during the Korean War.

Corsair might of been the better aircraft, but Hellcat pulled it's weight and more against Imperial Japan

U.S. Navy and Marine F6F pilots flew 66,530 combat sorties and claimed 5,163 kills (56% of all U.S. Navy/Marine air victories of the war) at a recorded cost of 270 Hellcats in aerial combat (an overall kill-to-loss ratio of 19:1 based on claimed but not confirmed kills).[41] The aircraft performed well against the best Japanese opponents with a claimed 13:1 kill ratio against the A6M Zero, 9.5:1 against the Nakajima Ki-84, and 3.7:1 against the Mitsubishi J2M during the last year of the war.[42]The F6F became the prime ace-maker aircraft in the American inventory, with 305 Hellcat aces. The U.S. successes were not only attributed to superior aircraft, but also from 1942 onwards, they faced increasingly inexperienced Japanese aviators as well as having the advantage of increasing numerical superiority.[N 6] In the ground attack role, Hellcats dropped 6,503 tons (5,899 tonnes) of bombs.[41]

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The ships have been paid for , and therefore must be sent to Russia

Russia does not even needs this they make Aircraft carriers !!!

 

[Aepsilons]

Corsair might of been the better aircraft, but Hellcat pulled it's weight and more against Imperial Japan

Yes, the Hellcat did contribute to American naval aviation success, in fact they proved their worth during the Battle of Midway, and during the Mariana Islands' Great Turkey shoot. One of the reasons of its success was its heavy armor, as compared to the lightly armored A6M Zero, which sacrificed armor for agility, nimbleness and speed. I remember talking to one Imperial Air Force pilot who survived the war (he was a friend of my grandfather-- who served in the Imperial Navy) and he shared to me how he was in a dog fight with an American hell cat during the Battle of Guadalcanal -- as much as he fired on the plane, it would not go down. It took a while before he was able to take out the American aviator. America had the Hellcat and the Corsair, which allowed them to dominate the skies.

Its been a pleasure to discuss with you @C130 !

 

[al-Hasani]

Great decision by the French. As partially French I support this decision 100%.

Putin-controlled Russia is a rogue state. I see no serious intentions of them wanting trustworthy ties with Europe. They still think that their short-lived and failed USSR is intact and them being allowed to bully former USSR territories and their sphere of influence.

If Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Baltic states and other former Warsaw Pact countries were not part of the EU and NATO they would create problems for them too.

Russia creating trouble in the Arab world and supporting a mass-murderer in Al-Assad before groups like ISIS even appeared does not help my opinion of them either.

Anyway they will probably get delivered despite this news or France will return the Russian payment somehow. Despite ties between the West/EU and Russia being the worst since the Cold War.

La France suspend la livraison du premier Mistral à la Russie

@Gabriel92

 

[C130]

The ships have been paid for , and therefore must be sent to Russia

Russia does not even needs this they make Aircraft carriers !!!

lol, r u serious

 

[mike2000]

mehhhhhhhh
can't wait til we move our factories out of China

Lool dont overeact bro. The west/U.S wont be moving factories out of China, not anytime soon. We still make billions from our business operation there. Moving out will only allow local chinese companies to dominate their own market and enjoy even more economic of scale due to their sheer size, which will give them enough revenue to invest in more R&D to improve their products and start competing globally. The problem for us with China is that its not Japan, nor the U.S.S.R. Its internal market alone is enough to make any of their companies sucessful and as big as their american counterpart if not more. So if anything, we should remain there for our own good.
The time to move out is long gone, since they have already learned/acquired the capabilities to produce almost all what they need. Anyway our companies wont be moving out as long as they make money there. This is globalization/capitalism. Capitalists/businessmen dont give a shit about politics/rivalry etc, they are just after the best ROI. If democracy/allies etc really matter that much for us then why arent we investing in the 'worlds largest democracy' India the way we do in say China and Vietnam which are all authocracies? Business is business and politics is politics.

 

[Aepsilons]

Lool dont overeact bro. The west/U.S wont be moving factories out of China, not anytime soon. We still make billions from our business operation there. Moving out will only allow local chinese companies to dominate their own market and enjoy even more economic of scale due to their sheer size, which will give them enough revenue to invest in more R&D to improve their products and start competing globally. The problem for us with China is that its not Japan, nor the U.S.S.R. Its internal market alone is enough to make any of their companies sucessful and as big as their american counterpart if not more. So if anything, we should remain there for our own good.
The time to move out is long gone, since they have already learned/acquired the capabilities to produce almost all what they need. Anyway our companies wont be moving out as long as they make money there. This is globaklization/capitalism. Capitalists/businessmen dont give a shit about politics/rivalry etc, they are just after the best ROI. If democracy/allies etc really matter that much for us then why arent we investing in the 'worlds largest democracy' India the way we do in say China and Vietnam which are all authocracies? Business is business and politics is politics.

Excellent analysis, Michael. I am in agreement with this. Selective movement of some manufacturing arms can be moved to cheaper markets say in ASEAN (Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam), India, Bangladesh, Pakistan; but key high tech areas should remain in China. You know much about this -- i'm beginning to think you're a spy. ha ha ha ha! joke joke...

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lool dont overeact bro. The west/U.S wont be moving factories out of China, not anytime soon. We still make billions from our business operation there. Moving out will only allow local chinese companies to dominate their own market and enjoy even more economic of scale due to their sheer size, which will give them enough revenue to invest in more R&D to improve their products and start competing globally. The problem for us with China is that its not Japan, nor the U.S.S.R. Its internal market alone is enough to make any of their companies sucessful and as big as their american counterpart if not more. So if anything, we should remain there for our own good.
The time to move out is long gone, since they have already learned/acquired the capabilities to produce almost all what they need. Anyway our companies wont be moving out as long as they make money there. This is globalization/capitalism. Capitalists/businessmen dont give a shit about politics/rivalry etc, they are just after the best ROI. If democracy/allies etc really matter that much for us then why arent we investing in the 'worlds largest democracy' India the way we do in say China and Vietnam which are all authocracies? Business is business and politics is politics.

But we are going to run the BRICS Bank with Russia, so you better to get ready with that.