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NEW DELHI: France agreed to a 25% discount on its earlier offer to clinch the deal for an off the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Paris last month. This will be the base on which further negotiations will take place on Wednesday.

The ballpark cost per aircraft as per Dassault's winning bid for the 126 MMRCA programme — the old, nowscrapped, Rafale deal — came to about $300 million, taking into account the estimates of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). Sources told ET that the objective was to bring this down to a little over $200 million apiece.

The overall cost is not expected to cross $8 billion for the entire 36-aircraft fleet, French sources said. MMRCA stands for medium multi-role combat aircraft.

price per aircraft is not just the acquisition cost of the platform, but also includes maintenance facilities, training of pilots and technicians, armaments and spares. In comparison, Dassault signed a deal with Qatar on Monday to sell 24 Rafale fighters for $7 billion, which would put the per-aircraft cost at just over $290 million. India is set to get a better deal because of the larger number being ordered. It may be noted that the rival Eurofighter that was also in contention for the contract had offered India a 20% price cut after the new government took over.

Besides the discount, France has agreed to undertake a longer maintenance schedule. The delivery of the first aircraft, according to the broad understanding reached at Paris, would take place in the next two-three years. France is believed to have pushed for a much larger off-the-shelf purchase with better concessions but New Delhi was wary of the impact this would have on the PM's own Make in India initiative. The number, 36, was France's bottom line in the negotiations. Before the visit, France had put its entire diplomatic weight behind striking a deal, which had got caught up in complications that would have translated into a cost escalation. This would have meant it would get reopened, further delaying the programme.

Fresh negotiations began only after India made clear that the old deal was dead. This happened because the cost of the programme had swelled beyond all estimates owing to differences between Dassault and state-owned HAL on the manpower required to produce the aircraft. HAL had estimated that India would require 2.7 times the man hours that France uses for constructing the aircraft, putting the cost beyond negotiation.


France offers 25% discount to India on purchase of 36 Rafale jets - The Economic Times
 
We are now in the home stretch of this long story

The really interesting question left is HOW many more planes to be acquired
and who will make them
 
Instead of kickback going to corrupts its coming as discount. .

We are now in the home stretch of this long story

The really interesting question left is HOW many more planes to be acquired
and who will make them



Let it begin first... First step is important. 36 plane delivery will take some time.
 
Price cut is done maybe it doesn't involve TOT. Why India is only buying 36 when she have huge requirement? Is she going for two category planes comprising of LCA and MKIs? What about medium role crafts?
 
36 x 4 = 144

8 x 4 = 32 billion $

And this is after 25% discount .

Imagine how much the original MMRCA would have cost :o::o::o: 40 billion $ ?

Price cut is done maybe it doesn't involve TOT. Why India is only buying 36 when she have huge requirement? Is she going for two category planes comprising of LCA and MKIs? What about medium role crafts?

There is a new procedure going on ..
Which involves directed offset policy, that needs to be seen
 
Baniya Modi doing a good job of price negotiation as expected of him :cheers:

BTW $300 x 126 = $37.8 billion. Holy Crap - Thank God they scrapped the deal
 
200 million dollars,i hope its better than F 35,french must be happy
 
NEW DELHI: France agreed to a 25% discount on its earlier offer to clinch the deal for an off the-shelf purchase of 36 Rafale aircraft during Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to Paris last month. This will be the base on which further negotiations will take place on Wednesday.

The ballpark cost per aircraft as per Dassault's winning bid for the 126 MMRCA programme — the old, nowscrapped, Rafale deal — came to about $300 million, taking into account the estimates of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). Sources told ET that the objective was to bring this down to a little over $200 million apiece.

The overall cost is not expected to cross $8 billion for the entire 36-aircraft fleet, French sources said. MMRCA stands for medium multi-role combat aircraft.

price per aircraft is not just the acquisition cost of the platform, but also includes maintenance facilities, training of pilots and technicians, armaments and spares. In comparison, Dassault signed a deal with Qatar on Monday to sell 24 Rafale fighters for $7 billion, which would put the per-aircraft cost at just over $290 million. India is set to get a better deal because of the larger number being ordered. It may be noted that the rival Eurofighter that was also in contention for the contract had offered India a 20% price cut after the new government took over.

Besides the discount, France has agreed to undertake a longer maintenance schedule. The delivery of the first aircraft, according to the broad understanding reached at Paris, would take place in the next two-three years. France is believed to have pushed for a much larger off-the-shelf purchase with better concessions but New Delhi was wary of the impact this would have on the PM's own Make in India initiative. The number, 36, was France's bottom line in the negotiations. Before the visit, France had put its entire diplomatic weight behind striking a deal, which had got caught up in complications that would have translated into a cost escalation. This would have meant it would get reopened, further delaying the programme.

Fresh negotiations began only after India made clear that the old deal was dead. This happened because the cost of the programme had swelled beyond all estimates owing to differences between Dassault and state-owned HAL on the manpower required to produce the aircraft. HAL had estimated that India would require 2.7 times the man hours that France uses for constructing the aircraft, putting the cost beyond negotiation.


France offers 25% discount to India on purchase of 36 Rafale jets - The Economic Times
is this part of ongoing Amazon App Sales ;)
 
price per aircraft is not just the acquisition cost of the platform, but also includes maintenance facilities, training of pilots and technicians, armaments and spares.

Can Someone say if everything is converted to R100 then whats the percentage share of that denomination between the platform cost, armament, maintenance, training, spares etc

This will make it clear to everyone the true cost of MMRCA something which all folks forget that armaments and many other things were suppose to be part of a separate deal. Interestingly, i believe cost of platform acqusition wont be more than R55-60. Perhaps it tells the story of the overall cost (which was never escalated rather never understood properly and hence the word used by most folks)

Since its in a flyaway condition so lets not harp on any substantial TOT as its not practically feasible for just 36 orders.
 

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