France not to allow women to wear abayas in schools: Minister

[Foinikas]

95 % of Africans living in the West are Christians/Catholic

There's not just black Africans,there's Arabs,Afghans,Turks,Pakistanis etc.

 

[Indos]

There's not just black Africans,there's Arabs,Afghans,Turks,Pakistanis etc.

Western countries select those people to work for blue color jobs where white European/US/Canadians cannot fulfil those jobs fully.

That is your own decision and related to your economic needs as well.

 

[Foinikas]

Western countries select those people to work for blue color jobs where white European/US/Canadians cannot fulfil those jobs fully.

That is your own decision and related to your economic needs as well.

I'm not part of the West.

 

[Indos]

I'm not part of the West.

Ok fine, every single nation has their own migration policy. Some are relax and some are strict. All of the policies are made based on thorought calculation and with each countries economist own advise.

Every migration policy have its own positive and negative side.

 

[KingMamba]

Does France also ban Sikh Turban? Because one can easily identify a Sikh from his turban.

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Ok fine, every single nation has their own migration policy. Some are relax and some are strict. All of the policies are made based on thorought calculation and with each countries economist own advise.

Every migration policy have its own positive and negative side.

Majority in European countries do not want refugees from Africa, Middle East, and Asia, yet they give them citizenship. That is crazy.

 

[PradoTLC]

All I hear from nagging Gretas like you is "West,West,West".

However,most Muslims love to escape to this West. Even by swimming.

This liberal,decadent,intolerant as you claim,hypocrite West.

And there you are again,nagging about it.

It is more to do with perceived economic opportunities

 

[karmaa]

Exactly. So why would free booters who went in Europe illegally and asked for asylum and were treated well,demand more and more?

Their are white liberal left idiots and few greedy NGO who think if they offer asylum to third world material they will be considered politically correct They think they are encouraging ethnic diversity , inclusiveness.But fools are now realising they have brought disaster for their own society . They should take only civilised and skilled people this can work with strict control of illegal immigrants.

 

[CIA Mole]

Look has Pakistan, Saudi, iran or anybody declared that they are bastions of democracy and freedom of speech, dress, thought and human rights?

Nor do these countries lecture others, bring sanctions and wars for those reasons


The vast majority of migrants to France have been from former French colonies
Same goes for Britain


For the last 70 years these states has espoused democracy
Freedom
Individual choice
Freedom of religion
Sexuality
Privacy
A long list of similar things


So French citizens of Muslim background is wish to use their freedom to practice their faith, raise their children with morals and values in a world where debauchery is being taught as the norm


The French have a bee up their *** about French Muslim women being free to practice their faith and freedom to dress in moral way

And THE STATE Is coming in to determine what citizens should dress like at the SAME time where laws exist to protect various freedoms


Not only is this counterproductive and has in the past led to a backlash with communities doubling down and resisting but it also contradicts all the freedom bullshit these hypocrite states have been banging on about and which have been the basis of countless sanctions and moralism these states have in the past been part of



Whose gone to ask anyone to change
The laws are already there to protect freedom of speech freedom of religion etc

Muslim citizens standing up for their rights is a must

At the same time, if these countries insist on attacking Iraq, Libya, Syria, or supportive apartheid in Israel or government changes in places like Pakistan that will inevitably lead to migration

The disastrous western interventions in Iraq Afghanistan Lybia and Syria have lead to this crisis. They wouldn’t have to leave their homes / families if you kept your bloody knows out of their countries!!!

the fact of the matter is they just dont like us, they dont like seeing our faces or any non white face/culture

u have to realize our religion, something people hold dear with strong conviction, is wrong in their minds

there are much more discriminatory practices in the west than this

u can not remove the primal tribal thinking from humans or any animal


ive always been satisfied with america because it is less discrimination than europe

 

[khansaheeb]

France can show us the way by banning the practice of all religions in their territory.

The gall of the immigrants. They migrate from a country with almost no freedom to a country that treats them nice, and they want to bring ancient customs from their own land to destroy their hosts.

What's wrong with it? Only confounding thing is that Islam is newer than Christinity and it is God's upgrade of Judaism and Christianity.

 

[prashantazazel]

My guess is that this law Is in part to protect Muslim girls who do not want to wear the abaya and are forced to by their family to dress as they prefer.

How a woman dresses is paramount to societal cohesion and moral integri

Conservative dresses are generally forced/coerced upon many (? most) by the family members and other co-religionists.

At least in south Asian countries, a lot of women rebel against this. In fact, many women have a condition before marriage, that the guy shouldn't want them to cover up.

France has done well to identify this problem. These conservative families also restrict their women from dating the liberal native population. There is threat of violence, ostracism.

The conservative migrants, in their country of origin, would use outright violence if their children went against religious and social customs. European cultures force them to act civilized.

 

[kingQamaR]

Conservative dresses are generally forced/coerced upon many (? most) by the family members and other co-religionists.

At least in south Asian countries, a lot of women rebel against this. In fact, many women have a condition before marriage, that the guy shouldn't want them to cover up.

France has done well to identify this problem. These conservative families also restrict their women from dating the liberal native population. There is threat of violence, ostracism.

The conservative migrants, in their country of origin, would use outright violence if their children went against religious and social customs. European cultures force them to act civilized.

This will result in girls not being allowed to go out or to school. It will not result in change in clothing.Great progress.

What has dress got to do with it? Should we ban bikinis as well, because they might offend someone? People should be allowed to wear what they wish, so long as does not offend anyone. An Abaya is certainly not an offensive item of clothing..

No offence you Asians customs are irreverent

Lol what a clown!!! Macron

 

[fitpOsitive]

Not yves saint lauren

You have haters anti islam racist bigots on here depriving a child of what they want to wear to suit there racist agenda .

Now tell me what is wrong with this dress apart from it being expensive and out of the reach of most .

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Anything that covers women is unacceptable.

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French Education Minister Gabriel Attal said that the country is to stop women from wearing abayas in schools as they are violating the strict secular laws of the country, regarding the attire worn by some Muslims as a "religious gesture," as the decision triggered mixed reactions from observers.
Attal told TF1 television: "It will no longer be possible to wear an abaya at school.
He further said that he would give "clear rules at the national level to school heads ahead of the return to classes nationwide from September 4."
According to AFP, the right and far-right had pushed for the ban, which the left argued would encroach on civil liberties.
The decision comes months after a long argument over the wearing of abayas in schools, where women have not been allowed to wear the headscarf.
There have been reports of abayas being increasingly worn in schools and tensions within schools over the issue between teachers and parents.
"Secularism means the freedom to emancipate oneself through school," Attal said, describing the abaya as "a religious gesture, aimed at testing the resistance of the republic toward the secular sanctuary that school must constitute."
He maintained: "You enter a classroom, you must not be able to identify the religion of the students by looking at them."
A law of March 2004 banned "the wearing of signs or outfits by which students ostensibly show a religious affiliation" in schools.
This includes large crosses, Jewish kippas and Islamic headscarves.
Unlike headscarves, abayas — a long, baggy garment worn to comply with Islamic beliefs on a modest dress — occupied a grey area and had faced no outright ban until now.
But the education ministry had already issued a circular on the issue in November last year.
It described the abaya as one of a group of items of clothing whose wearing could be banned if they were "worn in a manner as to openly display a religious affiliation". The circular put bandanas and long skirts in the same category.

Policing of clothing​

Approached by head teachers' unions about the issue, Attal's predecessor as education minister Pap Ndiaye replied that he did not want "to publish endless catalogues to specify the lengths of dresses".
At least one union leader, Bruno Bobkiewicz, welcomed Attal's announcement Sunday.
"The instructions were not clear, now they are and we welcome it," said Bobkiewicz, general secretary of the NPDEN-UNSA, which represents head teachers.
Eric Ciotto, head of the opposition right-wing Republican party, also welcomed the news.
"We called for the ban on abayas in our schools several times," he said.
But Clementine Autain of the left-wing opposition France Unbowed party denounced what she described as the "policing of clothing".
Attal's announcement was "unconstitutional" and against the founding principles of France's secular values, she argued — and symptomatic of the government's "obsessive rejection of Muslims".
Barely back from the summer break, she said, President Emmanuel Macron's administration was already trying to compete with Marine Le Pen's far-right National Rally.
The CFCM, a national body encompassing many Muslim associations, has said items of clothing alone are not "a religious sign".
The announcement is the first major move by the 34-year-old minister since he was promoted this summer to handle the hugely contentious education portfolio.
Along with Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin, 40, he is seen as a rising star who could potentially play an important role after Macron steps down in 2027.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/507119-france-not-to-allow-women-to-wear-abayas-in-schools-minister

Then what's the difference between French and Irani regimes?

 

[Novus ordu seclorum]

Conservative dresses are generally forced/coerced upon many (? most) by the family members and other co-religionists.

Conservative dresses are generally forced/coerced upon many (? most) by the family members and other co-religionists.

At least in south Asian countries, a lot of women rebel against this. In fact, many women have a condition before marriage, that the guy shouldn't want them to cover up.

France has done well to identify this problem. These conservative families also restrict their women from dating the liberal native population. There is threat of violence, ostracism.

The conservative migrants, in their country of origin, would use outright violence if their children went against religious and social customs. European cultures force them to act civilized.

least in south Asian countries, a lot of women rebel against this. In fact, many women have a condition before marriage, that the guy shouldn't want them to cover up.

Ironical statement. Who appointed you and France dad of other families? Nobody wants you interfering in their family matter.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

1. Your laws aren't hard-coded. They're legislated by your politicians who, repeatedly, have shown that they pick winners and losers based on their personal interests. You're just deluded enough to think there's principle behind the policy, but there isn't. Your societies say they're free and liberal for the benefits, but when it pays off, they abandon their principles for profit. I imagine if Islamists had funneled enough money into your political systems, we wouldn't be talking about hijab or abaya bans.

2. Muslim countries are a joke. We're run by dictators and dynastic families who shuttle the public's wealth to the West and, as a result of their reliance on the West (to launder money, keep properties, etc.) serve Western interests. But like some Western countries, the Muslim countries have a habit of saying they're one thing (e.g., Islam), but turn around and do the opposite (e.g., support Western invasions into other Muslim lands, engage in corruption, enforce nationalistic policies that restrict the mobility of different racial and ethnic groups, etc).

Unlike you, I and most others here condemn such things, repeatedly. You're not listening because you're not about principles, you're just masking your racism and xenophobia behind freedom, secularism, liberalism, etc. Every Pakistani here is ready to overhaul Pakistan, from top-to-bottom.

You are certainly showing your xenophobia and racism quite openly.