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Four killed, others hurt in terror attack at Jerusalem synagogue

That's exactly right.

And the Islamic world in the aggregate has vast amounts of geopolitical power.

But that power is not turned against Israel, due to the influence of the global hegemon.

I would prefer the pendulum to swing the other way where unilateral extrajudicial executions are not allowed by any side.

PS. The concept of an Islamic world is little more than a fantasy.
 
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Demographic shift happened thnx to Jewish migration.

The demographic shift was imposed by colonial rulers upon Palestinians without their consent.

Thats nonsense. When I bought my house no one asked me my nation or religion.

I am not saying every single house in Israel is built that way. I am saying there are court rulings which impose such restrictions, especially in Jerusalem.
 
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Zidan Sayaf, 5th victim of terror attack died from his wounds.

Druze officer who entered first and saved many people. True hero.

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The demographic shift was imposed by colonial rulers upon Palestinians without their consent.
Same happened in Singapore.

BTW. Arabs themselves came to Palestine as colonist invaders. And you are living in colony on land of genocided people.

I am not saying every single house in Israel is built that way. I am saying there are court rulings which impose such restrictions, especially in Jerusalem.
No there is no such thing.
 
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Unjustifiable horror
The obscenity of what transpired Tuesday morning in Har Nof’s Kehilat Yaakov Synagogue cannot be explained away by glib terms like “despair” or “occupation.”
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What motivates two cousins from Jerusalem’s Jabel Mukaber neighborhood to enter a synagogue armed with meat cleavers, hatchets, and a hand gun and commence stabbing, hacking, and shooting at men draped in prayer shawls and engrossed in prayer while shouting Allahu Akbar?

Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri claimed this massacre was a response to the death of Arab Egged bus driver, Yussuf al-Ramuni, who was found hanged Monday at an Egged depot in Jerusalem.

No matter that an autopsy performed by an Arab coroner found that Ramuni had committed suicide.

Palestinian news media and political leadership insisted “settlers” had “assassinated” the driver. Arab Egged bus drivers went on strike in a show of solidarity with Ramuni, who was referred to as a “martyr” by WAFA, the Palestinian Authority’s official news station.

Another justification for the hideous murders in Har Nof, according to Zuhri, was a “series of crimes by the occupier at al-Aksa.” He was referring to attempts by Israeli Jews to visit the Temple Mount, known as Haram al-Sharif by Muslims. He was also referring to the ensuing clashes between Palestinian rioters protesting Jewish visits and police officers, who have at times entered the Aksa Mosque in an attempt to control the rioting and to confiscate rocks, fireworks, and weapons stored there and used against police and Jewish worshipers at the Western Wall.

In short, Zuhri wants us to believe that the death of an Arab bus driver – at the very least under mysterious circumstances – or the demand by a small group of Jews to visit the Temple Mount, somehow justifies the insidious murder of a group of Jewish worshipers who are connected with neither Ramuni’s death nor the Temple Mount.

Apparently, large swathes of Palestinian society are indeed convinced that these are reason enough. Remember, Hamas is one of the two most popular political movements in Palestinian society. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who heads Fatah, the other most popular Palestinian party, gave a lukewarm condemnation of “killings on both sides” in response to the Har Nof attack, and this only under international pressure. He attempted to minimize the damage to his popularity among Palestinians by adding a call to end “invasions of al-Aksa Mosque, the provocations of settlers, and incitement of certain Israeli ministers.”

Experience tells us that mainstream Palestinian organizations like the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine, to which the two Palestinian murderers reportedly belonged, hardly need a pretext for killing Jews. Official Palestinian Authority media outlets and politicians regularly incite against Israeli Jews and glorify those who murder them.

Ever since Israel’s founding the pretext for killing Jews is Jewish sovereignty on land deemed to belong to Muslims, no matter what the borders. Even the ultra-Orthodox Jews of Har Nof and who have traditionally opposed political Zionism are legitimate targets for Palestinian murderers. Haredi spiritual leaders such as Chief Sephardi Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef have even implored Jews not to go up on the Temple Mount so as not to enrage Muslims.

Though Palestinian nationalist movements have always been murderously violent, the most depressing and wretched spectacle of the last decade has been the degeneration of Palestinian nationalism into a theocratic, death-worshiping radical Islamism. Even assassins from the ostensibly secular PFLP, founded by the nominally Christian Palestinian George Habash, now shout Allahu Akbar so that no mistake can be made about the source of their murderous inspiration.

The obscenity of what transpired Tuesday morning in Har Nof’s Kehilat Yaakov Synagogue cannot be explained away by glib terms like “despair” or “occupation.” There are millions of people living between the Mediterranean and the Jordan – Jewish, Muslim, and Christian – who may fall into despair without resorting to heinous crimes like the one perpetrated in Har Nof.

Nor does the murder of innocent civilians advance the Palestinian cause. Religious Jews wrapped in prayer shawls and phylacteries lying in pools of their own blood on the floor of a synagogue is an instantly recognizable image – not just for Jews. It conjures up centuries of violent anti-Semitism and places the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in the context of just another example of irrational – and therefore incurable – Jew hatred. It seems to prove to Jewish Israelis that there is really nothing to talk about with the Palestinians, let alone a peace agreement that must of necessity rest on mutual trust.
 
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Murdered, Because They Were Jews
by Tarek Fatah
The Toronto Sun
November 18, 2014



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A cartoon posted on the Facebook page of Hamas MP Mushir Al-Masri shows the attackers, dressed as orthodox Jews, exclaiming "Where are they?"



Four rabbis in an act of worship, in their house of God, slaughtered in the name of Allah.

And if the savagery of the act was not enough of a shock, one response from a Muslim on Twitter was equally gruesome.

Responding to my tweet about the Jerusalem slaughter, he welcomed the mass murder by writing a single word, "Bravo".

Elsewhere on social media, Palestinians in Gaza circulated cartoons using the image of the meat cleaver and knife used in the attacks, to mock the Jews.

As a Muslim who has spoken all my life for the rights of the Palestinians to a state of their own, I was left holding my head in despair and shame.

Just an hour earlier, I had read news of my co-religionists killing four Christians in random acts of revenge in the Kenyan city of Mombasa.

What have we become, I asked myself?

The irony is the Jews murdered were from a sect that poses no threat to Muslims or Palestinians.

They are against the very idea of Jews ascending the Temple Mount to pray, an issue that has become a bone of contention in recent weeks between Jerusalem's Muslims and Jews.

The Ultra Orthodox Jewish population of Israel is exempt from Israel Defense Force (IDF) service so they can spend their days studying Torah.

These were simply men of religion, killed not for what they did, but for who they were — Jews.

So it wasn't as if these four rabbis were in IDF uniforms, from one of the Israeli settlements inside the West Bank, that the Palestinians protest is a provocation to them.

No, these were simply men of religion, killed not for what they did, but for who they were — Jews.

As for the reaction of many Muslims in the West, who woke up to see another atrocity committed in the name of Islam, expect their voices to be channelled through the standard script of many Islamic groups, who will come forward with cliché-ridden denunciations of the act and condemnation of terrorism.

However, few will admit the atrocities we now see every few weeks are part of the Islamic tradition of jihad and intrinsic to the belief of how Jews should be punished if they are engaged in warfare with Muslims.

Few will, or have, renounced the doctrine of armed jihad as inapplicable in the era of nation states and international law.

The biography of Prophet Muhammad, "the Sira" is considered the authentic story of his life and is part of the Islamic faith, together with the Qur'an and Hadith.

According to the Sira, in the year 627CE, after a Jewish tribe surrendered to the Islamic army in the city of Medina, Prophet Muhammad personally beheaded 600 to 800 Jewish adult male prisoners of war, thus laying the template of dealing with Jews caught in battle for all times.

In my book, The Jew is Not My Enemy, my research suggests the story is a creation of later Muslim kings, 200 years after the incident.

These were men who crafted a backdated precedent to justify their own murderous acts.

But my view is almost universally rejected.

If Islamic leaders are unwilling to critically examine and question the authenticity of the texts they hold sacred, they had better be prepared to see the world react with contempt, if not an unpleasant backlash.

Tarek Fatah is a founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress, a columnist at the Toronto Sun, host of a Sunday afternoon talk show on Toronto's NewsTalk1010 AM Radio, and a Robert J. and Abby B. Levine Fellow at the Middle East Forum. He is the author of two award-winning books: Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State and The Jew is Not My Enemy: Unveiling the Myths that Fuel Muslim Anti-Semitism.
 
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ISRAEL
NOVEMBER 18, 2014
Politics Can't Explain the Israeli Synagogue Attack. Only Hatred Can.
By Yishai Schwartz

They came with meat cleavers and pistols. A little after 7 a.m. on Tuesday, as Jewish worshippers were completing the silent Amidah prayer in a Jerusalem synagogue, two men began shooting and hacking at those trapped inside. Four of the worshippers—all rabbis, three of whom were American and one English—are dead. One of the police respondents, a member of Israel’s Arab Druze community, is in critical condition. Images of the immediate aftermath show sacred books, prayers shawls, and the straps of tefillin strewn among bodies and blood.

The citizenship and piety of the victims is largely immaterial—this was simply brutal, ideological murder. But the choice of victims does tell us something about where these murders come from, and what they mean politically.

In recent weeks, the usual hum of low-grade Palestinian incitement has been raised to a fever pitch. There have been allegations of murder and paranoid rumors of Israeli plans to dismantle Muslim sanctuaries. Lone-wolf terrorists have rammed their cars into crowds and stabbed young commuters at bus stops. The Israeli security forces, expert in disrupting networks and intercepting infiltrations, have found themselves helpless to stop it. How do you predict an attack by a single local resident armed only with a car and a kitchen knife?

There is irony in the latest attack. The synagogue was in Har Nof, an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood in West Jerusalem. The worshippers lived in internationally recognized Israel and almost certainly never served in the army. They would never approach the Temple Mount, the holy site where recent visits by Jews have supposedly triggered the latest wave of Palestinian violence, because they believe that God’s law forbids it. In other words, these worshippers should be among the least offensive to Palestinians.

This is not to say that, for instance, last week’s murder of 26-year-old Dalia Lemkus was less obscene because it happened near a West Bank settlement. But the senselessness and brutality of the synagogue assault, and the otherworldliness of the victims, lays bare the inadequacy of rational political explanations for terror. No doubt the murderers had their grievances (and some perhaps were reasonable), but the butchery in Har Nof shows that any sense of strategy has been overwhelmed by hate. The murder of non-Zionist Torah scholars is an attack on Jews more than Israel, and explaining it requires an understanding of hatred, not of politics. Perhaps the currentcelebrations throughout the West Bank and Gaza—replete with songs of praise on mosque loudspeakers and the festival-like delivery of sweets to children—goes at least part of the way to providing that.

Rarely has it been clearer: these men were killed simply because they were Jews living in the land of Israel. That they were rabbis killed at prayer is a potent symbol of the attack's senselessess, but their orthodoxy also serves as evidence of how utterly self-defeating Palestinian terrorism is.

The ultra-Orthodox, after all, are some of the most pragmatic and powerful players in Israeli politics. For the last two decades, the ultra-Orthodox parties have been kingmakers, key to the governments of both right and left due to their flexibility on negotiations with the Palestinians. It was the largest of these parties, Shas, that offered Yitzchak Rabin the crucial coalition support he needed to proceed to the Oslo accords. Together, the two main ultra-Orthodox parties hold 18 seats in Israel’s 120-seat, famously fractious parliament. Any conceivable left-leaning coalition would rely on their votes.

But in recent years, the ultra-Orthodox shifted strongly in the direction of the hawks. This shift, and its reasons, has mirrored the rest of Israeli society, and it has very little to with revisionist or expansionist ideology. The ultra-Orthodox, dismissive of Israel’s secular establishment and content to wait for the messiah, continue to be among those least ideologically committed to Jewish sovereignty over the land. But their confidence in the Palestinians and their leadership, in their willingness or ability to stop incitement and curb terrorism, has diminished dramatically.

To many Israelis today, it no longer matters that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’s security forces work well with Israel or that he is clearly preferable to Hamas. (Abbas condemned today’s attack while blaming it on Israeli incitement; Hamas simply welcomed the murders.) But preferable does not mean acceptable. And when Abbas's calls for a “holy war” against Jewish “contamination” of the Temple Mount is answered with butcher knives in a synagogue, the preferable does not seem acceptable at all. So the same pragmatism that convinced ultra-Orthodox leadership to back the peace process will continue to turn their rank-and-file against the Israeli Left. Even Aryeh Deri, the wiliest and most dovish among ultra-Orthodoxy’s political leaders will find himself inexorably pulled rightward.

Zionism has always required a balance between the aspirational and the pragmatic. Israel’s most deft leaders threaded the needle between the desire for the resurrection of ancient Jewish sovereignty and the compromises necessary for peace. For years, the pragmatists, those who could put in perspective the starry-eyed yearning for expansive Jewish sovereignty, were the champions of negotiation. But now it’s those pragmatic negotiators who seem starry-eyed, and to the residents of Har Nof, more walls and checkpoints will seem the safer bet.
 
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Zidan Sayaf, 5th victim of terror attack died from his wounds.
Druze officer who entered first and saved many people. True hero.
hehe , well actually he was Not a hero .

there is almost ZERO number of civilians in the occupied palestine , they are all occupiers and 70% of them are armed terrorists .

may he rest in peace , but i'm not sure he will .

after all you're eating the fruits of the same tree that u planted decades ago .

terrorize them , get terrorized back . tit for tat .
 
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bad move . now the refugees will suffer

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In the face of unspeakable depravity, the British respond with impeccable even-handedness. After pious expressions of horror over the carnage in Jerusalem this morning, where four rabbis were slaughtered during morning prayers and several others badly injured by Arabs screaming “Allahu akhbar”, Britain’s Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond and his Labour shadow Douglas Alexander called on “both sides” to “de-escalate” tensions.

“Both sides”, eh. How exactly do those who are being targeted for mass murder in a never-ending terror war “de-escalate”? The inescapable suggestion is that the Israelis have escalated these tensions in an equivalent manner to the Arabs.

This morning’s BBC reports of the atrocity went one stage further, blaming it on the “old dispute” over who gets to pray on Temple Mount and the recent tensions arising from the renewed Jewish campaign to do so. So the slaughter of Jews was all the Jews’ fault.

This was a grotesque, indeed obscene distortion. There was never the slightest chance of this forlorn campaign to allow Jews to pray on Temple Mount getting anywhere with the Israeli government. Israel didn’t escalate anything at all. On the contrary, the violence was initiated by the Arabs as they lit the petrol trail of lies and incitement.

This process was kicked off by Mahmoud Abbas when, at the UN a couple of months ago, he promulgated the demonstrable and ludicrous falsehood that Israel was committing genocide against the Palestinians. Last month, he fanned the flames of conflagration by claiming entirely falsely that Jewish “settlers” were planning to desecrate the al Aqsa mosque, and calling for them to be prevented.

Falsely he claimed that there were “many attacks on al Aqsa repulsed by religious leaders”. But there were no such Israeli attacks. Instead, Arabs lured the Israeli police into the complex by throwing rocks and shooting fireworks towards police officers stationed near the entrance to the Temple Mount area from the Western Wall plaza. The police chased the rioters who ran inside al Aqsa, which had been turned into an ammunition store. From there, pitched battles were fought with Israeli police, firing small rockets at them and hurling stones and other projectiles.

But the BBC didn’t mention any of this today. Instead, it blamed the victims and thus excused their attackers.

What the BBC has never told its audience – and nor have the rest of the media ever reported – is the even more explicit incitement to violence by Abbas’s henchmen. In a chilling precursor to today’s slaughter, an official of Abbas's Fatah said on PA TV on November 7: “Jerusalem needs blood to purify itself of Jews”. On November 14, an official of the PA religious affairs ministry said Jerusalem needed “sacrifices and blood”.

Moreover, in an interview on November 5, Abbas's adviser Mahmoud al Habbash not only stated that the PA leadership supported the riots and terror attacks but confirmed that Abbas and the PA were “inciting the people in Jerusalem to perform ribat’.

PA supports terror in Jerusalem - PMW Bulletins

“Ribat” is a very significant term in this context, since it signifies a religious duty to defend or reconquer land defined as Islamic. In other words, Abbas and his PA are inciting Islamic holy war in Jerusalem.

Quite how the Israel Shin Bet intelligence chief Yuval Cohen can reportedly claim that Abbas doesn’t mean to incite violence is therefore beyond comprehension.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/security-chief-says-palestinian-leaders-not-stoking-violence/

Maybe the explanation is that Cohen, who a few days ago was involved in an unedifying verbal brawl with Israel’s defence minister “Boogie” Ya’alon, is attempting to deflect the blame for a murderous terror campaign that has been allowed to escalate for weeks on his watch, culminating in today’s atrocity.

More to the point, this psychotic incitement against Jews pours out of the “moderate” PA as well as Hamas day after day. PA officials and PA TV repeatedly call Jews a “disease’, “worse than smallpox”, claim that Jews living in Jerusalem are a “cancer”; and so on and sickeningly on.

Go to the Palestinian Media Watch website and scroll down through the countless examples of dehumanisation and demonization of Jews and Israelis. You’ll see that these are Nazi-style, diabolical images and paranoid incitement.

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=760

Some of these images follow below, depicting the Jew as a scorpion, the Jew as a global disease, the Jew eating the Dome of the Rock, the Jew harming the weak Arab world, the Jew as the mass murderer of Gazans –and, published on Fatah’s Facebook page on October 19, a cartoon depicting the Israelis as wolves surrounding al Aqsa with the accompanying text demanding: “Arabs, the wolves surround your al Aqsa! What are you going to do about it?”

None of this is reported by the western media, which itself incites against Israel through its relentless selective, distorted or false reporting, double standards and blaming the victim.

None of it is acknowledged by the EU, which funds the people purveying this racist incitement.

None of it is acknowledged by those 274 British MPS who voted to recognise “Palestine”. The agenda those British MPs are in fact supporting is the one represented by these diabolical images and deranged ravings.

Today’s atrocity has stripped away the fantasy to which these and so many others in the west subscribe, that the Middle East conflict is about the division of land and can thus be resolved through negotiation. It is not, and cannot. Abbas (let alone Hamas) is calling for a holy war. It was not without the most horrific significance that one of today’s victims at the Jerusalem synagogue where he was praying reportedly had his arm hacked off with a meat cleaver – an arm still wrapped in his phylacteries.

It is Tzipi Livni, of all people, who put her finger on it earlier today when she said she had long feared this was becoming a religious war – “and a religious war can’t be solved”.

Indeed. It’s a question instead of who wins this war: them or us; barbarism or civilisation; a death cult or those who love life. And at present, much of the western political, media and intellectual classes are on the wrong side.

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@Irfan Baloch, I'm asking you for something very very difficult: to be brave and stand for the Jews. Don't tell me it isn't a matter of bravery. I know the flash in Pakistani eyes when I bring this up, I know what it is. Since anti-Zionists do this to their friends there isn't much reason they won't do this to you.

I suppose you might prefer to wait until the wolf is at the door; then you can invoke the last courage, that of desperation. Regardless of your choice, this idea that the Jews of Israel are somehow responsible for oppression - rather than the Muslims and Arabs who rejected the lawful and humane return of Jews to Zion - is a form of denial that weakens you in the battle against evil. You can do better.
 
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RIP to the victims.
Enough with the pathetic politicizing and hate mongering. Both sides are at fault. End of story.
 
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RIP to the victims.
Enough with the pathetic politicizing and hate mongering. Both sides are at fault. End of story.
That's the difficult part for you: accepting that only one side - the Palestinian Arab/Muslim rejectionists - are at fault. That's the nut you have to crack, not just for the good of Jews but for yourself as well. Otherwise you accept the principle that murder for religious reasons is not a crime. If slaying these Jews isn't criminal, neither are attacks by Taliban against "Zionist" Pakistani Army and Navy bases, right?

I'll add a bit more: you should remember that two Ottoman Caliphs supported the establishment of Palestine as the Jewish National Home. One of them even said that if the Empire fell the Jews could take Palestine without payment. For neither of them believed that without the Ottoman leash the Jews of the middle east would be safe, nor that the middle east rightfully belonged to Arabs alone, to the exclusion of all others. (Please don't believe me blindly; you can do your own research to confirm what I've written here.)
 
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That's the difficult part for you: accepting that only one side - the Palestinian Arab/Muslim rejectionists - are at fault. That's the nut you have to crack, not just for the good of Jews but for yourself as well. Otherwise you accept the principle that murder for religious reasons is not a crime. If slaying these Jews isn't criminal, neither are attacks by Taliban against "Zionist" Pakistani Army and Navy bases, right?
You are delusional.
There is no way you can call the people you invaded and pushed out of their own homes 'at fault'.

Otherwise you accept the principle that murder for religious reasons is not a crime.
You are blinded by your pure hatred for Muslims.
If slaying these Jews isn't criminal
BUT IT IS GOD DAMN CRIMINAL!. Do not put words in my mouth. I condemn the attack, just like I condemn the Israeli attacks that kill Palestinians.

You on the other hand will constantly justify anything Jews do. Even murdering children.

That's the difficult part for you: accepting that the brainwash you have been fed since the cradle is wrong. Accepting that Jews (or anybody for that matter) do not have the right to expel millions of people from their lands just because of some Biblical ancient roots they have to that land. Accepting that 1.7 Billion Muslims in the world are not all evil people created solely to harm you Jews.

Wake up.
 
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You are delusional.
There is no way you can call the people you invaded and pushed out of their own homes 'at fault'.
The "delusion" is characterizing the Jews as "invaders" when they had sanction in international law to return, paid extremely high prices for privately owned real estate, and were granted state lands by the Ottomans and British.

However, Jews - in contravention to international law - were expelled from Arab lands outside Palestine. Do you expect that the Jews were at fault for this or the Arabs? Do you tell Arabs they should allow the Jews to come back and give these Jews every expectation of safety? No you don't. So you know, TankMan, to your own satisfaction, that not only is your history flawed but what you advocate is unjust and absurd.

You are blinded by your pure hatred for Muslims.
Or is it that you are blinded by pure hatred for Jews and seek to put the onus on me instead? After all, it's Israel which has a 20%+ minority Arab population, whereas Pakistan long ago drove its Jews out - and continues to support persecuting those who re-settled in Israel.

BUT IT IS GOD DAMN CRIMINAL!. Do not put words in my mouth. I condemn the attack, just like I condemn the Israeli attacks that kill Palestinians.
It's a condemnation that criminalizes and slanders Jews without criminalizing and rejecting Palestinian Arabs who seek to murder Jews.

You on the other hand will constantly justify anything Jews do. Even murdering children.
I think you're perfectly aware that Arab children killed in Israeli military operations are not killed for being Arabs - and that Israeli soldiers are subject to a military justice system that prosecutes and convicts deviants.

You're just angry, that's all. You don't want to change and you don't want to admit that everything you believed about "the Palestinian cause" are evil lies.

That's the difficult part for you: accepting that the brainwash you have been fed since the cradle is wrong.
Nobody does that. Just look at the Jewish minority that is anti-Zionist. Questioning authority - even parents, even the Torah - is fundamental Jews have the freedom to make our own choices and even switch to living in communities that share the same opinions. That's why what I'm asking of you is a bravery that I can't muster as I live in a country and community where I don't have to worry about getting my throat slit for saying the wrong thing.

It wasn't always that way. Two thousand years ago extremist Jews roamed the streets of Jerusalem, slitting throats and sowing disorder. It ended when the Romans conquered cities held by terrorists. The majority of Jews were expelled from the Middle East - just see the Titus' column in Rome for the artistic details - and it took our Rabbis 1200 years to figure out that pluralism was what was needed to make society work. You don't think you're lucky for getting all this counsel free and without the suffering of a hundred generations?

Accepting that Jews (or anybody for that matter) do not have the right to expel millions of people from their lands just because of some Biblical ancient roots -
There is no need to invoke some sort of "biblical ancient roots". Resettlement by fair purchase and land grant stands on its own.

Accepting that 1.7 Billion Muslims in the world are not all evil people created solely to harm you Jews.
I have. If I didn't I wouldn't bother writing at PDF, would I?
 
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that not only is your history flawed but what you advocate is unjust and absurd.
The truth is never as one-sided as what you believe it to be. So, if anything, you are proving to me that it is not my history that is 'flawed', it is yours.
So now advocating freedom and independence for people is suddenly 'absurd and unjust', while advocating the oppression of a few million people is perfectly fine. Pathetic.

The "delusion" is characterizing the Jews as "invaders" when they had sanction in international law to return, paid extremely high prices for privately owned real estate, and were granted state lands by the Ottomans and British.
There you go. You answered your own argument. They were never granted any lands by the Palestinians - only by colonial empires. Every other nation got a chance at freedom from these empires. So why not Palestine? Why is Palestine still bound by the decisions made by colonial empires of the past? Why does it not have the right to make its own decisions?

'International Law'? International Law that gives 60% of the land to 20% of the Population? Why is it that for hypocrites like you, International Law is only applicable to Palestinians? Israel has violated countless UN resolutions and countless parts of this sacred International law you speak of. If you are going to be a total hypocrite, at least make some effort to conceal it.
Israeli Violations of U.N. Security Council Resolutions

Or is it that you are blinded by pure hatred for Jews and seek to put the onus on me instead? After all, it's Israel which has a 20%+ minority Arab population, whereas Pakistan long ago drove its Jews out - and continues to support persecuting those who re-settled in Israel.
Is my name 'Pakistan'? Am I an elected representative of the Pakistani state or responsible for Pakistan's policies and politics in any way? Is Pakistan responsible or involved in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Then why does my nationality matter in this? You are dragging in my nationality here, it has nothing to do with this argument so refrain from doing it.

who seek to murder Jews.
Not all Palestinian Arabs seek to murder Jews. Criminalizing an entire race is called racism.

not killed for being Arabs
They are killed for being born in the wrong place (i.e Palestine). That's about just as bad.

You don't want to change and you don't want to admit that everything you believed about "the Palestinian cause" are evil lies.
Yeah right. Everyone else has to 'change' and 'admit' except you. Cut that self righteous, 'holier than thou' crap. I'm not buying it.


That's why what I'm asking of you is a bravery that I can't muster as I live in a country and community where I don't have to worry about getting my throat slit for saying the wrong thing.
I don't either. It won't be 'bravery' to support an apartheid regime, it'd be stupidity. Get that delusion out of your mind.

Resettlement by fair purchase and land grant stands on its own.
It's not fair when a couple of million people lose their homes because of it.
 
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