Four Iran border guards killed in clash on Pakistan frontier

[AmirPatriot]

Explain those pictures they posted:
https://www.google.co.il/search?q=F313+Qaher&biw=1680&bih=905&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOmqm6pOvNAhXKDxoKHYD3CkMQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=OMYYwY31gDAswM:
https://www.google.co.il/search?q=F313+Qaher&biw=1680&bih=905&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOmqm6pOvNAhXKDxoKHYD3CkMQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=F313+airfield&imgrc=-KGsY1oHloKZRM:

https://www.google.co.il/search?q=F313+Qaher&biw=1680&bih=905&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOmqm6pOvNAhXKDxoKHYD3CkMQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=F313+airfield&imgrc=qNQ49O76nm_htM:

Sorry, but your OWN government said that this jet was REAL, they only showed us the part of the jet flying, and not on the ground
This design is a FAILURE.

The first picture you posted isn't even from Iran, its from a modelling site called fantastic-plastic.com

The second image is of the mockup being towed to a different location. Even the aviationist, which is a website very skeptical of Iranian military programs, says so. Prove to me that the photo is photoshopped other than the annoying watermark imposed by the photographer. Moreover, this is not a government sponsored photo.

The last photo is for sure photoshopped, but can you give me a proof that the Iranian government says it is real?

And lastly, as I have already said a million times, the government said that the footage of the flight was of a scale model. Maybe you should have paid more attention to my previous post, or do you have reading difficulties?

 

[Beny Karachun]

The first picture you posted isn't even from Iran, its from a modelling site called fantastic-plastic.com

The second image is of the mockup being towed to a different location. Even the aviationist, which is a website very skeptical of Iranian military programs, says so. Prove to me that the photo is photoshopped other than the annoying watermark imposed by the photographer. Moreover, this is not a government sponsored photo.

The last photo is for sure photoshopped, but can you give me a proof that the Iranian government says it is real?

And lastly, as I have already said a million times, the government said that the footage of the flight was of a scale model. Maybe you should have paid more attention to my previous post, or do you have reading difficulties?

This actual picture I got from this site, this was a mistake anyways, I was about to send the third picture and I forgot to remove it. I don't say that the second photo is photoshopped! I say its them trying to say its real!

Just read this:
https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/...is-not-a-mock-up-irans-defense-minister-says/

 

[AmirPatriot]

This actual picture I got from this site, this was a mistake anyways, I was about to send the third picture and I forgot to remove it. I don't say that the second photo is photoshopped! I say its them trying to say its real!

Just read this:
https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/...is-not-a-mock-up-irans-defense-minister-says/

It isn't there. That was a short article with few lines translated from a 6 minute video, which was not shown. I found the video of the interview here:

In it he explained how all fighter aircraft go through several stages and that the Qaher-313 is at the stage of testing scale RC models. At no point did he say there is currently a full scale flying prototype, nor did he deny that the aircraft displayed was a mockup. He merely dismissed the propaganda that the project was a hoax.

 

[Beny Karachun]

It isn't there. That was a short article with few lines translated from a 6 minute video, which was not shown. I found the video of the interview here:

In it he explained how all fighter aircraft go through several stages and that the Qaher-313 is at the stage of testing scale RC models. At no point did he say there is currently a full scale flying prototype, nor did he deny that the aircraft displayed was a mockup. He merely dismissed the propaganda that the project was a hoax.

It doesn't matter! your own government, and according to you except him, said that this exact same plane that was shown is real and is able to fly!

 

[AmirPatriot]

It doesn't matter! your own government, and according to you except him, said that this exact same plane that was shown is real and is able to fly!

Prove it or go home! I just showed you an interview with the Defence Minister of Iran at the time, refuting the BS you are spreading. Defence Minister not official enough for you?

Face it, you're desperate, you have no proof. All you have is your own pig-headedness and jingoism.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Prove it or go home! I just showed you an interview with the Defence Minister of Iran at the time, refuting the BS you are spreading. Defence Minister not official enough for you?

Face it, you're desperate, you have no proof. All you have is your own pig-headedness and jingoism.

Already sent you!
https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/...is-not-a-mock-up-irans-defense-minister-says/
You showed me this interview IN PERSIAN, I have no idea what it says and I have no intention to believe y ou!
https://warisboring.com/irans-faux-...ing-second-appearance-5026447fd2fa#.d4co2pea5

 

[war&peace]

That is pathetic. One prisoner, captured in very shady circumstances, carrying mysterious passports and id, with a windy tale feeding every Pakistani superstition about the reasons why the great state of Pakistan has failed to achieve true greatness, and everything that you dreaded finding under your bed at night suddenly becomes true?

If this is the best you have, you might as well go back to preaching about the 16, 18 or 20 Indian consulates in Afghanistan that brutalise Pakistan as a full-time activity. After all, people have had their fill of laughing at that set of claims.

Perhaps your are quantity guy sir, but let's focus on quality first. We have got quite a high ranking monkey rather unprecedented. Your govt has admitted that he is an Indian officer the only difference between your govt and Kul bashan Yadav claims is about whether he is in-service or not, the latter puts his retirement year to be 2022.
Sir jee, What do you mean Shady circumstances...all spies and terror-masterminds operate under damn shady conditions...Do you think he will walk through airport with his original id and passport and be allowed to do whatever he wants. No sir, such monkeys or rats hide and come out only in darkness under different identities....Furthermore on his info a lot more have been apprehended and will only made public if desired so otherwise it is easier for PA to dispatch them to hell without any outcry at national or international level since India will not admit of sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan.

The video is there and info he has provided is correct but Indians are in denial mode as usual and terming it conspiracy theories.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Perhaps your are quantity guy sir, but let's focus on quality first. We have got quite a high ranking monkey rather unprecedented. Your govt has admitted that he is an Indian officer the only difference between your govt and Kul bashan Yadav claims is about whether he is in-service or not, the latter puts his retirement year to be 2022.
Sir jee, What do you mean Shady circumstances...all spies and terror-masterminds operate under damn shady conditions...Do you think he will walk through airport with his original id and passport and be allowed to do whatever he wants. No sir, such monkeys or rats hide and come out only in darkness under different identities....Furthermore on his info a lot more have been apprehended and will only made public if desired so otherwise it is easier for PA to dispatch them to hell without any outcry at national or international level since India will not admit of sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan.

The video is there and info he has provided is correct but Indians are in denial mode as usual and terming it conspiracy theories.

As you like.

@jbgt90

I was thinking of Silchar. Does anybody really need to go physically into opposition territory any more? And click the secret war-plans using a micro-camera?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Already sent you!
https://theaviationist.com/2013/02/...is-not-a-mock-up-irans-defense-minister-says/
You showed me this interview IN PERSIAN, I have no idea what it says and I have no intention to believe y ou!
https://warisboring.com/irans-faux-...ing-second-appearance-5026447fd2fa#.d4co2pea5

OK sure. Go ahead and believe a western website notorious for being biased towards the west. A website that has a "rogue states" section. In the end that's all you can do - deny the truth and the proof, instead preferring to live in your own fantasies. This is after all the guy who uses Wikipedia as a definitive source for finding information.

 

[Beny Karachun]

OK sure. Go ahead and believe a western website notorious for being biased towards the west. A website that has a "rogue states" section. In the end that's all you can do - deny the truth and the proof, instead preferring to live in your own fantasies. This is after all the guy who uses Wikipedia as a definitive source for finding information.

THEY QUOTE YOUR OWN MINISTERS!
I'll tell you that, mock up or not, you will NEVER be able to make a successful jet, neither a stealth one.

 

[AmirPatriot]

you will NEVER be able to make a successful jet

Yeah, ok. 30 years ago Israelis probably would said we couldn't make ballistic missiles, or cruise missiles, or surface to air missiles, or ATGMs, or radars, or warships etc. Now you say Iran can't make fighter aircraft and you too will be made to eat your words like shit.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Yeah, ok. 30 years ago Israelis probably would said we couldn't make ballistic missiles, or cruise missiles, or surface to air missiles, or ATGMs, or radars, or warships etc. Now you say Iran can't make fighter aircraft and you too will be made to eat your words like shit.

30 years ago we already knew you have these. Not to tell that 30 years ago we still were allies, until Islam came into the rule.

Anyways, your ballistic missiles are useless against our Arrow system, and they are uncomparable with our ICBMs, your cruise missiles are useless against our Barak 8 and David's Sling, your ATGMs are useless against our trophy system, your radar is useless against jamming pods and in December against our first stealth jets, your warships are useless against our warships equipped with Barak 8, your cruise missiles are useless, ours are not.

the HESA Saeqeh is a copy of the F-5 jet, just with one more tail wing.
This fighter jet is slow (Maximum speed of mach 1.4)
Rate of climb is low (175 m/s)
Can only take 3,200kg of payload.
Range is decent- 3000km

Our (unfortunately) cancelled project is much better.
the Lavi-
Maximum speed of Mach 1.6
Rate of climb of 254 m/s
can take 7,260 kg of payload
and had a range of 3700km

Want me to remind you at what time both of these jets were developed?
Lavi's first flight was in 31 December 1986
Saeqeh's was in July 2004.
Sorry, but our technology in the 80s is still better than your's now.

 

[AmirPatriot]

30 years ago we already knew you have these

We had them, but we didn't make them. Now we manufacture them on an industrial scale.

30 years ago we still were allies

Some allies... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Flower

ballistic missiles are useless against our Arrow system

Yeah sure I'm sure you have proof of that don't you.

uncomparable with our ICBMs

No shit... MRBMs are no ICBMs, hence you don't compare them...

Maybe you should look at this...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/iran/irislv-x-space-icbm.htm

cruise missiles are useless against our Barak 8 and David's Sling

Yep, Iran is just going to send one of these, one at a time:

But don't worry, those probably aren't even meant for Israel.

ATGMs are useless against our trophy system

Yeah maybe a single Toophan coming at a Trophy could be intercepted. But it ain't that simple is it?

your radar is useless against jamming pods and in December against our first stealth jets

Hahaha... maybe we have a little trick up our sleeve...

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matla-ul-fajr

your cruise missiles are useless...
your warships are useless against our warships

Believe it or not, Israel isn't our only enemy. I don't even need to counter this, Iran and Israel's warships will never meet.

This fighter jet is slow

Its not a fighter jet genius. Its a trainer and light CAS. Hence the twin seats.

 

[Beny Karachun]

We had them, but we didn't make them. Now we manufacture them on an industrial scale.



Some allies... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Flower



Yeah sure I'm sure you have proof of that don't you.



No shit... MRBMs are no ICBMs, hence you don't compare them...

Maybe you should look at this...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/iran/irislv-x-space-icbm.htm



Yep, Iran is just going to send one of these, one at a time:

But don't worry, those probably aren't even meant for Israel.



Yeah maybe a single Toophan coming at a Trophy could be intercepted. But it ain't that simple is it?



Hahaha... maybe we have a little trick up our sleeve...

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analysis.html

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matla-ul-fajr



Believe it or not, Israel isn't our only enemy. I don't even need to counter this, Iran and Israel's warships will never meet.



Its not a fighter jet genius. Its a trainer and light CAS. Hence the twin seats.

1. Not like you manufacture anything more advanced than you had.

2. It was after the Islamic revolution

3. You want proof of that?

Against our Sparrow air launched ballistic missile

4. Not to compare them? why not? What I mean by that, is that we have better missiles and better everything.
What am I supposed to look at, some prints? Sorry, but those are CONCEPTS.

5. Then well send the Barak 8 and David's Sling one at a time. we are capable of doing it. later well send a bit of those http://sistemasdearmas.com.br/pgm/popeyeturbo1.jpg with nuclear warheads, just for you.

6. Toophans are useless, launch as many as you want.

7. Good luck finding a F-35 with that, and even if you do, it will have onboard jammers to make all of your missiles useless.

8. Maybe not Israeli warships, but Israeli submarines are a whole other story, because they are already in the Gulf.

9. Now you say your "advanced" fighter jet is a CAS or a trainer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh
Role: FIGHTER
If you think that design is a CAS aircraft, you are just so stupid.

 

[AmirPatriot]

1. Not like you manufacture anything more advanced than you had.

2. It was after the Islamic revolution

3. You want proof of that?

Against our Sparrow air launched ballistic missile

4. Not to compare them? why not? What I mean by that, is that we have better missiles and better everything.
What am I supposed to look at, some prints? Sorry, but those are CONCEPTS.

5. Then well send the Barak 8 and David's Sling one at a time. we are capable of doing it. later well send a bit of those http://sistemasdearmas.com.br/pgm/popeyeturbo1.jpg with nuclear warheads, just for you.

6. Toophans are useless, launch as many as you want.

7. Good luck finding a F-35 with that, and even if you do, it will have onboard jammers to make all of your missiles useless.

8. Maybe not Israeli warships, but Israeli submarines are a whole other story, because they are already in the Gulf.

9. Now you say your "advanced" fighter jet is a CAS or a trainer?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh
Role: FIGHTER
If you think that design is a CAS aircraft, you are just so stupid.

1. OK you keep believing that. Anyone with a brain knows that almost all Iranian weapons are leaps and bounds more capable than what we had 30 years ago.

2. Lies. The project started in 1977 and the Israeli plan was deception from the start, even if the shah was still in charge.

3. "The 27.5 (8.39 mw) long missile weighs over three tons and is designed to simulate Shihab 3 class missiles (Iranian ballistic missiles with 1,500-2,000 km range)."

http://defense-update.com/20130903_silver_sparrow_shihab-3_target_tested.html

You're only just finding out how to intercept Iranian missiles designed 2 decades ago? The Shahab 3 was test fired in 1998.

There are new kids on the block.

Sejjil 2, 2500 km range, top speed of Mach 13. Nearly twice the speed of the Shahab 3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejjil

Emad, maneuverable warhead for evasive maneuvers, very high accuracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_(missile)

4. Because comparing two things "just cause" when they don't counter each other is a pointless exercise. You might as well say Israel makes better toasters than Iran, idgaf

5. Idiot I was being sarcastic. Iran will send hundreds of ballistic and cruise missiles towards Israel to overwhelm defences.

And why do you want to nuke me? Talk properly, anyway if Israel nuked Iran, it would be the last thing it ever did.

6. According to you Toophans will just bounce off an M113 and Kornets have a phobia of the Merkava. Wake up, tanks aren't invincible, far from it.

7. We don't need luck.

8. Send as many subs as you want, any war between us will not be dictated by naval battles.

9. "Wikipedia said its a fighter so it must be true".

Its a trainer first and foremost but can carry rockets missiles and bombs, just like a Yak-130. Hence why I said "light" CAS, implying its a secondary role.

Are you going to shut up any time soon? Its clear we don't agree on anything. Might as well stop wasting my time.