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The natives in Southern China were Hmong and Tai-Kadai folks, and they were not related to Austroasiatic.
Fossil teeth place humans in Asia '20,000 years early'
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The natives in Southern China were Hmong and Tai-Kadai folks, and they were not related to Austroasiatic.
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All I know is that many Vietnamese wanna be Northeast Asians.
I mean the real Northeast Asians like the Sino-Tibetan, not the fake ones AKA Japanese and Koreans.
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So that all you know? Real north east asian is true sino tibetan and japanese is fake? What school did you go to idiot, that school must be full of idiots. Or you never go to school at all. Is hard to tell me what school did you go to?
Yes $80k proves my Superiorthan those chinese washing dishes in Chinese buffets. and hundreds millions chinese like you in mainland and million wuman who made less than 10k, 1/8 of my salary. Dont you want to make 80k as well? Or you happy with your 7k or washing dishes?
When i ate buffet your chinese wash dishes for me. I usually give them 10 bucks for tips. When im not happy i give them no tips. Cant blame because their brain is locked and full of propaganda so they cant make high salary .
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The Japanese are heavily mixed with the Pacific islanders, and how they can be the pure Northeast Asian like the Proto-Sino-Tibetan?
Yes, we are the only true Northeast Asian.
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Plenty, bro. You can find 3-5 thousand year old tools from the Jomon Jidai in any anthropological museum in Japan:
(Mind you, thousands of years before the birth of Qin Shi Huangdi)
6,000 year old shell vase , built by Jomon folks, bro.
Very interesting indeed. Look at the high rate of denisova allele frequency in Japanese, quite similar to South Asia. I suppose it correlates to the D2 haplotype found in most Japanese men (mitochondrial inheritence trait).
Complete bullsh*t as usual. Japan has no Bronze Age. Wikipedia puts Japan outside of the Bronze Age along with Africa. Read it for yourself LOL.
Bronze Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Now onto Chinese history.
China's dominance of East Asia can be attributed to the fact that China was the first major Bronze Age civilization in East Asia. In fact, an argument can be made that the Shang Dynasty was the most advanced Bronze Age civilization in the world during that time period. The Houmuwu Ding remains the largest Bronze Age bronze-ware artifact to survive from anywhere in the ancient world.
Houmuwu ding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And from that proficiency in bronze-making comes the ability to mass produce bronze weapons.
Bronze Spears
Bronze Spear Shang Dynasty Period 商代 Shaanxi History Museum 陕西历史博物馆
Bronze Dagger Axes
Bronze Dagger Axe Shang Dynasty Period 商代 Shaanxi History Museum 陕西历史博物馆
Bronze Battle Axes
File:CMOC Treasures of Ancient China exhibit - bronze battle axe.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
Bronze Arrowheads
File:Arrow Head LACMA AC1998.251.39.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
Now with military power like that, is there any surprise that China eventually dominated all of East Asia? How do a bunch of cavemen with bone and stone weapons defeat a highly advanced Chinese army with bronze weapons?
You don't.
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The First Humans Moved From Africa to China — Not Europe
María Martinón-Torres & José María Bermúdez de Castro
10/15/15 3:30am
It’s hard not to feel slightly superior when you belong to the only human species on the planet. Behind us there is a long track of extinct relatives that did not make it to our days. The Neanderthals in Europe went extinct some 40,000 years ago, just as we got there – leading us to believe we forced them out by being so much more advanced.
But science often teaches us to be humble. We have discovered 47 human teeth in China that are between 80,000 and 120,000 years old, suggesting it took early humans at least twice as long to enter Europe than they did to expand throughout Asia. The result, published in the journal Nature, challenges our current understanding of how humans evolved and spread – especially how we ended up replacing the Neanderthals.
Clear evidence
Researchers believe that our species evolved in East Africa around 190,000 to 160,000 years ago. After this, human fossils from the archaeological sites of Es Skhül and Jabel Qafzen, in Israel, suggest they spread there between 80,000 and 120,000 years ago. However, these samples preserve some archaic features that place them “on verge of modernity” but not fully modern yet. They have therefore been thought of as the result of a failed dispersal out of Africa that barely managed to reach beyond the borders of the African continent. So that means that modern humans were at the gates of Europe, but it took them another 50,000 years to be able to enter the land of the Neanderthal.
Genetic studies have indicated that the earliest successful “out of Africa” migration was around 60,000 years ago. But the newly discovered teeth, first found by a team of researchers at the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology of Beijing in the Fuyan (Daoxian) cave in southern China, are truly modern. The team dated the sample to be more than 80,000 years old, indicating that our species was present in Asia considerably earlier than had previously been suspected. In fact, it implied that fully modern anatomical humans lived in Asia 30,000 to 70,000 years earlier than in Europe and the eastern Mediterranean.
The team’s estimation that the teeth could be as old as 120,000 years was hard to believe at first. That was a big claim to make. So when they invited us to come and visit the site, we were eager to go. In this case, the challenge was not to prove the species the teeth belonged to, but to be sure about the context and the dating of the teeth.
When we first arrived in China we did not have any doubt about the teeth belonging to our own species, Homo sapiens. After a few weeks studying and comparing the teeth with our colleagues in Beijing we took a plane to cross the more than 2,000km distance between Beijing and the Daoxian County, followed by a long trip by car full of excitement and expectations. Was it really possible to find such a modern member of our own species so far in the east?
When we reached the small village of Daoxian and visited the cave we were speechless. The rock and sediment layers in the cave were simple and easy to understand. There were four clear horizontal layers that were easily tracked across the more than 300 square meters of excavation.
The teeth were found in a layer that was sealed by a continuous calcite floor, like an enormous gravestone that would have made it impossible for any soil or more recent fossils to accumulate below. There was a small stalagmite, an upward-growing pillar of mineral deposits from water dripping in, on top of this flowstone that experts from China and US have dated to be around 80,000 years old. As the stalagmite was formed after the calcite floor sealed the layer with the fossils, everything below had to be older than that.
The human teeth were consistently mixed with mammalian remains, including extinct hyenas, pandas and elephants that helped to infer a maximum age of 120,000 for the human fossils. The context was clear and we spent hours inside the cave concluding that there were no doubt that the evidence were consistently pointing towards the beginning of the Late Pleistocene age.
From that moment, we remember the rest of our trip in China with the dizziness of the excitement and the shock. But also the warm welcome of the local people from Fuyan who celebrated our visit with all sort of luxury food and drinks. However, it was us who should pay the honour of having visited the earliest known site in the world with fully modern humans outside Africa.
Human origins puzzle
Our flight back was filled with unforgettable buzz and brainstorming about the possible origin and fate of the first H. sapiens outside Africa. Could it be that some of the present-day populations are descendants of that very early expansion? Or are all of us descendants of a later wave?
We also thought it was time to restore the honour of the Neanderthal species, or at least to leave open a door about the advantages that one would have had over the other. We have long looked at Neanderthals as a species that became extinct because it could not cope with the invasion of a species that was allegedly culturally and biologically superior.
But why then was it so much easier for modern humans to move into Asia, where there were no Neanderthals? This species was after all able to master a land of harsh and sub-freezing winters that was too hard for a tropical species like H. sapiens to cope with, which it may be why it took us so long to get there. Maybe after hundreds of thousands of years isolated and punished by merciless winters, Neanderthals started to fade. It may be that was only then when H. sapiens saw the opportunity to take over their empire for hundreds of thousands years.
María Martinón-Torres, Lecturer Anthropology, UCL and José María Bermúdez de Castro, Honorary Professor , UCL
This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.
Image by S. Xing and X-J. Wu.
María Martinón-Torres & José María Bermúdez de Castro
10/15/15 3:30am
It’s hard not to feel slightly superior when you belong to the only human species on the planet. Behind us there is a long track of extinct relatives that did not make it to our days. The Neanderthals in Europe went extinct some 40,000 years ago, just as we got there – leading us to believe we forced them out by being so much more advanced.
But science often teaches us to be humble. We have discovered 47 human teeth in China that are between 80,000 and 120,000 years old, suggesting it took early humans at least twice as long to enter Europe than they did to expand throughout Asia. The result, published in the journal Nature, challenges our current understanding of how humans evolved and spread – especially how we ended up replacing the Neanderthals.
Clear evidence
Researchers believe that our species evolved in East Africa around 190,000 to 160,000 years ago. After this, human fossils from the archaeological sites of Es Skhül and Jabel Qafzen, in Israel, suggest they spread there between 80,000 and 120,000 years ago. However, these samples preserve some archaic features that place them “on verge of modernity” but not fully modern yet. They have therefore been thought of as the result of a failed dispersal out of Africa that barely managed to reach beyond the borders of the African continent. So that means that modern humans were at the gates of Europe, but it took them another 50,000 years to be able to enter the land of the Neanderthal.
Genetic studies have indicated that the earliest successful “out of Africa” migration was around 60,000 years ago. But the newly discovered teeth, first found by a team of researchers at the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology of Beijing in the Fuyan (Daoxian) cave in southern China, are truly modern. The team dated the sample to be more than 80,000 years old, indicating that our species was present in Asia considerably earlier than had previously been suspected. In fact, it implied that fully modern anatomical humans lived in Asia 30,000 to 70,000 years earlier than in Europe and the eastern Mediterranean.
The team’s estimation that the teeth could be as old as 120,000 years was hard to believe at first. That was a big claim to make. So when they invited us to come and visit the site, we were eager to go. In this case, the challenge was not to prove the species the teeth belonged to, but to be sure about the context and the dating of the teeth.
When we first arrived in China we did not have any doubt about the teeth belonging to our own species, Homo sapiens. After a few weeks studying and comparing the teeth with our colleagues in Beijing we took a plane to cross the more than 2,000km distance between Beijing and the Daoxian County, followed by a long trip by car full of excitement and expectations. Was it really possible to find such a modern member of our own species so far in the east?
When we reached the small village of Daoxian and visited the cave we were speechless. The rock and sediment layers in the cave were simple and easy to understand. There were four clear horizontal layers that were easily tracked across the more than 300 square meters of excavation.
The teeth were found in a layer that was sealed by a continuous calcite floor, like an enormous gravestone that would have made it impossible for any soil or more recent fossils to accumulate below. There was a small stalagmite, an upward-growing pillar of mineral deposits from water dripping in, on top of this flowstone that experts from China and US have dated to be around 80,000 years old. As the stalagmite was formed after the calcite floor sealed the layer with the fossils, everything below had to be older than that.
The human teeth were consistently mixed with mammalian remains, including extinct hyenas, pandas and elephants that helped to infer a maximum age of 120,000 for the human fossils. The context was clear and we spent hours inside the cave concluding that there were no doubt that the evidence were consistently pointing towards the beginning of the Late Pleistocene age.
From that moment, we remember the rest of our trip in China with the dizziness of the excitement and the shock. But also the warm welcome of the local people from Fuyan who celebrated our visit with all sort of luxury food and drinks. However, it was us who should pay the honour of having visited the earliest known site in the world with fully modern humans outside Africa.
Human origins puzzle
Our flight back was filled with unforgettable buzz and brainstorming about the possible origin and fate of the first H. sapiens outside Africa. Could it be that some of the present-day populations are descendants of that very early expansion? Or are all of us descendants of a later wave?
We also thought it was time to restore the honour of the Neanderthal species, or at least to leave open a door about the advantages that one would have had over the other. We have long looked at Neanderthals as a species that became extinct because it could not cope with the invasion of a species that was allegedly culturally and biologically superior.
But why then was it so much easier for modern humans to move into Asia, where there were no Neanderthals? This species was after all able to master a land of harsh and sub-freezing winters that was too hard for a tropical species like H. sapiens to cope with, which it may be why it took us so long to get there. Maybe after hundreds of thousands of years isolated and punished by merciless winters, Neanderthals started to fade. It may be that was only then when H. sapiens saw the opportunity to take over their empire for hundreds of thousands years.
María Martinón-Torres, Lecturer Anthropology, UCL and José María Bermúdez de Castro, Honorary Professor , UCL
This article was originally published on The Conversation. Read the original article.
Image by S. Xing and X-J. Wu.
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I don’t understand much about genetics, archeology, can someone explain?
The articles said that the teeths found un southern China are from modern humans, dating at least back 80,000 years ago, and up to 120,000 years ago, while the populations in northern China were more primitive, more similar to the neaderthals counterpart.
Then it said the modern humans wasnt present in Europe until 50,000 years ago. So these older modern humans did not come from that wave. It must have dispersed from Africa from an earlier wave.
Another article from last year argued that the Austronesian ancestor migrated to Australia, Papua, Melanesia as far back as 130,000 years ago, much earlier than the europe wave 50, 000 years ago
Humans Dispersed Out of Africa Earlier Than Thought
So these guys were the the fathers of those modern humans in southern China these discovered teeths belonged to?
The articles said that the teeths found un southern China are from modern humans, dating at least back 80,000 years ago, and up to 120,000 years ago, while the populations in northern China were more primitive, more similar to the neaderthals counterpart.
Then it said the modern humans wasnt present in Europe until 50,000 years ago. So these older modern humans did not come from that wave. It must have dispersed from Africa from an earlier wave.
Another article from last year argued that the Austronesian ancestor migrated to Australia, Papua, Melanesia as far back as 130,000 years ago, much earlier than the europe wave 50, 000 years ago
Humans Dispersed Out of Africa Earlier Than Thought
So these guys were the the fathers of those modern humans in southern China these discovered teeths belonged to?
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