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Former Ameer of Jamat e Islami Prof. Golam Azam died

the issue is not personal at the source as you are making it to be. it's different from just listening to Tagore (which i find distasteful by the way but that is a whole other matter). that Tagore and Sanskrit-heavy things have been imposed on Muslims is reality. the causes could be many. and the issue is about symbols used for an entire region as national symbols for that region. and these alien symbols represent what a majority have nothing to do with. yet these Tagore-Bankim-etc. are used to represent each of us individually which should be disturbing. if it was not a psuedo-Indian province, there wouldn't be a Tagore song on us. if you don't have a problem having a personal history in this region and at the same time being indifferent about the heritage, i think that is part of the problem. and it stems from the education or lack of it.
OK.if I agree with you on the last part that makes me ignorant. So do enlighten me please how do you planning to change our national anthem sitting over thousands of miles from here?because of my religion heritage I don't give a f...about any kind of song as anthem for my country. Period. Because I am born to this land with a long list of martyrs in my family I choose a different song from the one I have.give me one solid single intelligent idea to imply in this context and I will salute you. History is to learn your past mistake and not make the same in the future. What you guys are doing is poisoning your your future with it.all I am reading is bangali Muslim.this.that.tegor.Bhai what this actually means to us is nothing. What actually it mean to you? I wonder. Are you following what you are preaching. Are you quitting your job coming back to Bangladesh to teach in Islamic university about history of bangali Muslims.so that our future bangali Muslim generation can be something of that glorious past? Or are you saying because you are just passing time on the net cause your family is too busy to give you time right now?
 
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India took POWs, prisoners of war, 90000 soldiers surrendered.

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by that definition, India's hands are full of blood of people who opposed the Indian take over of East Pakistan in 1970s and even today.
 
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by that definition, India's hands are full of blood of people who opposed the Indian take over of East Pakistan in 1970s and even today.

that was war. what do you think happens in a war ? people play with balloons filled with colored water and pichkaris ? :omghaha:

even today ? yes we kill cow thiefs who try to smuggle our cattle across the border and shoot at us too with guns. are you sympathetic to their cause ? :rofl:
 
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OK.if I agree with you on the last part that makes me ignorant. So do enlighten me please how do you planning to change our national anthem sitting over thousands of miles from here?because of my religion heritage I don't give a f...about any kind of song as anthem for my country. Period. Because I am born to this land with a long list of martyrs in my family I choose a different song from the one I have.give me one solid single intelligent idea to imply in this context and I will salute you. History is to learn your past mistake and not make the same in the future. What you guys are doing is poisoning your your future with it.all I am reading is bangali Muslim.this.that.tegor.Bhai what this actually means to us is nothing. What actually it mean to you? I wonder. Are you following what you are preaching. Are you quitting your job coming back to Bangladesh to teach in Islamic university about history of bangali Muslims.so that our future bangali Muslim generation can be something of that glorious past? Or are you saying because you are just passing time on the net cause your family is too busy to give you time right now?
"What you guys are doing is poisoning your future with it"

i expected better from you.

if knowing one's own history means nothing to you, why try to stop others for whom it means something? whether one is Hindu or Buddhist or Christian or Muslim, or belong to one community or region or nation or the other, knowing history and culture is a basic part of growing up in a civilized society of any self-determining country. unfortunately i was educated in BD so my education is not so different from yours.
Or are you saying because you are just passing time on the net cause your family is too busy to give you time right now?
yes, to the highlighted part
 
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that was war. what do you think happens in a war ? people play with balloons filled with colored water and pichkaris ? :omghaha:

even today ? yes we kill cow thiefs who try to smuggle our cattle across the border and shoot at us too with guns. are you sympathetic to their cause ? :rofl:
My my...mighty Bangladeshi cow thieves!!!! Without giving money to the owners Indians kaanjus villagers let slipped 3/4 Bangladeshi young boys to take 70/80 cows at a time through their village, through boarder. Once in a whole month, one shooting. What about the other 29 days because indian statistics says cows comes to daily in Bangladesh in hundreds. As in one day.what happens man? Didn't bsf got the payment that night?
 
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"What you guys are doing is poisoning your future with it"

i expected better from you.

if knowing one's own history means nothing to you, why try to stop others for whom it means something? whether one is Hindu or Buddhist or Christian or Muslim, or belong to one community or region or nation or the other, knowing history and culture is a basic part of growing up in a civilized society of any self-determining country. unfortunately i was educated in BD so my education is not so different from yours.

yes, to the highlighted part
BHAI NOTHING PERSONAL. AMI BUJHTEI PARCHINA BEPARTA.JE GHOTONA KORTE BAA BODLAATE AMADER KARO HAAT NEI SHETA KENO ATO JORURI ONGSHO HOBE AMAADER JIBONE?
Its 46 years old mistake. I agree whole heartedly .but we are helpless. Unless I become the next PM it will remain same.and as you mentioned because I am well aware of my heritage I do not like that song as anthem .but also my education and personal choice makes me a better man I hope, when I stand along my country men whenever I hear that song..it will go against my parents teaching and my Religion believes if I sit through while the national anthem is playing.
BTW: AAMI ONEK AGE EKBAAR BREAF HISTORY LIKHECHILAM ABOUT THAKUR.JORASHAKOR THAKUR RAA HINDU CHILO NAA.ERA BRAMMHO CHILO.
 
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My my...mighty Bangladeshi cow thieves!!!! Without giving money to the owners Indians kaanjus villagers let slipped 3/4 Bangladeshi young boys to take 70/80 cows at a time through their village, through boarder. Once in a whole month, one shooting. What about the other 29 days because indian statistics says cows comes to daily in Bangladesh in hundreds. As in one day.what happens man? Didn't bsf got the payment that night?

i seriously did not understand you..say it legibly again !
 
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After reading what you have written, you have seen the actual situation, I have no other reason but to agree with you.Unfortunately yes we do tend to make fun of each other. People call us "dhaga punjabi" . Do I get offended ... well no. Yet I must say what kids in your school used to say was bad.
Killing our own Bengali soldiers. Well why did they kill few and did not do anything to other?
Yes Pakistani politicians do learn late, but things which matters is that they learn. Jinnah made a mistake, the 1956 assembly rectified it. I think present assembly might make other Languages like Punjabi, Pushtu, Baluchi Kashmiri etc. as Pakistan's national language too.
I dunno what this marshal race thing comes from. I do not consider myself a marshal race. I am more into peace than the mar kutai.
every Bangladeshi district has jokes and stereotypes about the other district. and this exists across Hindu Bengal, Muslim Bengal, northern Hindustan and central Hindustan, and Punjab and Sindh. what is not always present is a big hostile regime in between two areas.

i'm giving my two cents again. MA Jinnah was 100% right in the decision to make Urdu the sole national/federal language. what he was wrong in was how to tackle the prowling anti-Muslim commies and the mythical narrative they would develop for Muslim Bengal later on vilifying Muslim culture. there was no basis for a provincial language like Bengali to be federal language.

p.s. the Gujarati MA Jinnah and Bengali Khwaja Nazimuddin were both right on Urdu. and most Bengali Muslims had no problems with that but also had little understanding of the complex socio-politics of commies in their anti-Muslim anti-Urdu movement
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BHAI NOTHING PERSONAL. AMI BUJHTEI PARCHINA BEPARTA.JE GHOTONA KORTE BAA BODLAATE AMADER KARO HAAT NEI SHETA KENO ATO JORURI ONGSHO HOBE AMAADER JIBONE?
Its 46 years old mistake. I agree whole heartedly .but we are helpless. Unless I become the next PM it will remain same.and as you mentioned because I am well aware of my heritage I do not like that song as anthem .but also my education and personal choice makes me a better man I hope, when I stand along my country men whenever I hear that song..it will go against my parents teaching and my Religion believes if I sit through while the national anthem is playing.
BTW: AAMI ONEK AGE EKBAAR BREAF HISTORY LIKHECHILAM ABOUT THAKUR.JORASHAKOR THAKUR RAA HINDU CHILO NAA.ERA BRAMMHO CHILO.
it does not need to change if we are fine with the basket case that "Bangladesh" is. the reality is what it is. what is also true is it's a matter of awareness. and more and more people (including you) are questioning these symbols because people are growing more self-respect in terms of identity.
 
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@ "Are yar Musalman bhai Q jhut bolte ho". At first Maj Sidique Saleh said it was around 60 to 70 thousand, then Niazi said it was 46 thousand now you are tell it was 25 thousand !!! Tell me the truth how many defence families were their in the then East Pakistan ?
I am quoting sharmila bose
 
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I have few cousins who spent life in those camps at that time their age was 4, 5 and 10
 
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Really !!! out of 94000 POW only 25,000 were armed forces ppl, other were civilians and families including kids

What do u call a genocide !!!

number you quoting is not believable as your own general put the figure at 56000 composing army west Pakistani police man and militia who are militia not sure rest of the 94000 were civilian worker in cantonment and the family members of army man .this 56000~ were not provably from the start of the war but gradually increase as the war intensified. however the number of people killed is not 3 million but less then that though .
 
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Ghulam Azam: Controversial or Venerable Leader?
By Abdullah al-Ahsan
Professor of History and Civilization — Malaysia
Saturday, 01 November 2014 00:00

Ghulam Azam closely cooperated with most government leaders in establishing democratic institutions.(Reuters)
Last Saturday, October 25, Hundreds and thousands of people turned out in the Bangladeshi capital to pay their last respect to Professor Ghulam Azam, the former leader of Bangladesh Jamaat-i-Islami party, who had passed two days earlier.

Millions more prayed salatul janazah (funeral prayer) without the dead body all over the country and the rest of the world. Ironically, many of his critics made mock of his character mostly through the print, electronic, and the social media. This debate and disagreement about this gentleman raises a lot of question marks.

Azam died in prison hospital at the age of 91. Last year, he was sentenced to 90 years in jail after a court found him “guilty of charges relating to 1971 war of independence with Pakistan.” But why was the 90 years old awarded a 90 years sentence? The mammoth turnout in his funeral prayer and his opponents’ media hype demands some reflections on his personality.

Azam’s Political History

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Born in 1922 and brought up at the height of the Pakistan movement, Ghulam Azam became General Secretary of Dhaka University Students’ Union — a position any politically ambitious young man in the newly born East Pakistan would have fervently aspired. Ghulam Azam also played the most important role in placing the demand for Bengali language being recognized as Pakistan’s one of the state languages in newly independent Pakistan. This role too any Bengali leader would have loved to see in his/her political career.

However, something seems to have gone wrong in the case of Ghulam Azam. Both journalistic and academic writings in contemporary Bangladesh have ignored this role of Ghulam Azam. Paradoxically, for Ghulam Azam, who has spent almost his century-long life in what is Bangladesh now, 1971 seems to be the most significant year. He is accused of committing so many serious crimes and vices during this one year of his life. Otherwise, generally he has been a sophisticated gentleman. Why is this paradox? What really happened in 1971?

The popular rhetorical narrative in Bangladesh about 1971 is that the country was engaged in its war of independence during that year.

The call for complete Indian independence was made during the 1920s, and Pakistani leaders coined the term known as “the two-nation theory” in the 1930s for Pakistani’s independence. Bengali Muslim leaders were at the forefront of Pakistan movement. In fact, the 1940 resolution demanding Pakistan as an independent state was moved by a Bengali leader and in 1946 the resolution was amended to incorporate then East Bengal into one Pakistan was also moved by a Bengali leader.

Earlier, All India Muslim League, the party that led to realize Pakistan, was founded in Dhaka in 1906. Most important of all, without the support of Bengali Muslims, Pakistan could not have come into existence. Why then Bengali Muslims revolted against the central administration in Pakistan in 1971? This question will need books to answer. However, the fundamental question here is how one describes the events of 1971. It was hardly a war of independence, mainly because there is no record of any political leader demanding independence of East Pakistan.

Bangladesh: Independence from Whom?

One leader of Jamaat-i-Islami has already been executed in December last year and a number of others are awaiting execution or final judgment.

East Pakistanis constituted majority of the population in united Pakistan and had majority seats in the national parliament. Why should the majority seek “independence” from the minority? Was that a revolt against an oligarchic rule? Was the civil and military oligarchy composed mainly by West Pakistanis? Perhaps. This demands serious reflection particularly at this juncture in history when the question of the practical relationship between democracy and Islam has re-emerged.

Also, noteworthy in this context are the challenges that the nation-state system is encountering in many parts of the Muslim world today and demands for an Islamic caliphate has become quite popular among many Muslim groups and non-state elements.

In 1971 Ghulam Azam demanded that the military government, which had conducted a free and fair election in the country a couple of months earlier, hand over power to Shaikh Mujibur-Rahman, leader of the parliamentary majority party Awami League. However, the oligarchic vested interests conspired against the democratically-elected political party, arrested the leader, and cracked down on the protesters. Ghulam Azam stood strongly in favor of democratic principles and re-affirmed his call for democratic transfer of power.

But, unfortunately, Awami League leaders decided to abandon the democratic method, ran away to neighboring India, and launched an armed confrontation against the military rule. Violence erupted all over East Pakistan.

In the capital city, the armed forces carried out massacre while the supporters of Awami League began to attack non-Bengali civilians; an all-out civil war broke out. Ghulam Azam and his party, Jamaat-i-Islami, decided to assist the government in power in restoring law and order.

Why did they decide to support the corrupt, undemocratic, and oligarchic Pakistani rulers? This stand was taken in view of East Pakistan’s geography and history, Ghulam Azam later explained. However, within days, independence of Bangladesh was declared and many more East Pakistanis, who were not originally supporters of Awami League, joined the armed struggle. India came out with full support for the creation of Bangladesh.
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Both sides committed atrocities during the nine-month long war. While Pakistan armed forces were deliberately creating terror and trying to push the people to flee to India, pro-Bangladeshi armed groups attacked non-Bengali civilians and placed their dead bodies in front of the advancing Pakistani troops. A huge propaganda war ensued. Islamophobic elements in the international press found an opportunity to attack Islam and Pakistan; one must remember that Pakistan was named the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in 1956. The Indian media found remarkable companion in the Soviet Pravda — the official Communist newspaper — in their campaign of misinformation.

The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) Secretary General Tunku Abdul-Rahman of Malaysia attempted a negotiating settlement and wanted to visit India to speak to Awami League leaders. But the Indian government prevented the effort and nobody raised any question about this in the international media.

Bangladeshi authorities claim that three million people were killed by Pakistani armed forces, and obviously this figure does not include non-Bengali civilians.

When some observers expressed doubt about the number, Bangladeshi authorities undertook a survey, but never released its findings. This number has remained a major ambiguity in Bangladesh’s history. Interestingly, all major players in this tragedy met with vicious and violent death.

Shaikh Mujibur-Rahman was assassinated along with his family by his own army and the people of Bangladesh celebrated the assassination; in Pakistan Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was condemned to death by his own court for murdering one of his political opponents; and India’s Indira Gandhi was murdered by one of her personal bodyguards. Were these heavenly chastisements? For victims, perhaps, they were. However, hopefully history will judge it better.

Already Indian author Sharmila Bose has produced a very good academic work —Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, Columbia University Press, 2011 —challenging the three million figure. Another Indian author Srinath Raghvan wrote 1971: A Global History of the Creation of Bangladesh, Harvard University Press, 2013,highlighting the roles of international actors in the war. Many more academic works will be necessary to put the history of Bangladesh in its proper place.

Gross Injustice

International institutions such as the Amnesty International and Human Right Watch pointed out that the courts set up by the government did not meet international judicial standards.

As for Ghulam Azam, who was outside of East Pakistan during the last days of united Pakistan, he returned to Bangladesh and restored his Jamaat-i-Islami Party and got involved in politics. He revived his struggle for democratic change in the country. Within years he succeeded in making significant contribution to democratic reforms in the country.

Interestingly, Ghulam Azam closely cooperated with most government leaders in establishing democratic institutions. But, unfortunately, the military again intervened in politics in 2007 and the politics of conspiracy resurfaced. Pro-Indian Awami League came to power through a sort of staged election and the government after almost forty years decided to prosecute Ghulam Azam for his political involvements in 1971.

Most observers believe that the government undertook this task with a political motive. International institutions such as the Amnesty International and Human Right Watch pointed out that the courts set up by the government did not meet international judicial standards. One leader of Jamaat-i-Islami has already been executed in December last year and a number of others are awaiting execution or final judgment. The government has ignored international appeals from among others the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and US Secretary of State John Kerry.

Ghulam Azam was a magnanimous character. The people of Bangladesh have expressed their love for Ghulam Azam by attending his funeral. But this seems to have infuriated the government. The so-called war crime tribunal has almost immediately announced death sentence of another leader — Matiur-Rahman Nezami — who succeeded Ghulam Azam as the chief of Jamaat-i-Islami.

Will the international community continue to witness this gross injustice? Shouldn’t they find means to address this issue? Don’t they realize that such unfair treatment of these leaders, who represent many positive ideas, may create more frustration among the youth which might lead to disastrous consequences? Ghulam Azam’s legacy demands serious considerations.





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Prof. Abdullah al-Ahsan is professor of History and Civilization at the International Institute of Islamic Thought and Civilization (ISTAC), International Islamic University of Malaysia. His books and articles have been translated into Arabic, Bengali, Bosnian, Turkish and Urdu.
 
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@the just bro u r delving into irrelevant issues. Did i ever object to bangla as a language. WHere did this even come from? i just stated that Islam forbids nationalism since u brought up the issue. And no it won't go against your religion if u sit through while the national anthem is playing. Rather sitting it through would be islamically the right thing to do.

Respect for the national anthem or flag - islamqa.info
Ruling on military salutes and saluting the flag - islamqa.info

There is no problem if u tell your kids folklore and stories but before that make sure they have proper understanding of their religion. And won't u agree that its much better to tell your kids the stories of the prophets of Allah (swt), the seerah of Muhammad (pbuh) and his righteous companions and familiy members. That would be more benefiting to your kids.

As for flags and anthem not affecting u, well we r just discussing it on a forum. Lets worry whether its practical or not later but first how about harmless discussions? The indo-awami fabricated historical narrative is affecting our political landscape . If BD has to survive as a sovereign state, it has to come to terms with the truth of 71 war and not concocted version of it designed to suit the agenda of an external hegemon. Fact based historical analysis and introspection of 71 is a must for a viable sovereign BD. Even under Bangladeshi nationalistic pretext our current anthem is an abomination to BD as a nation state. And yes the lyrics does have shirk in it. There is no harm stating the truth , is it? Sticking with truth and educating our masses is the only way we can move forward.

Having said all that, i respect your views and i m not forcing u to do or say anything. Why did u think something like that? U are just making a big deal out of nothing and jumping to the wrong conclusions IMHO.
 
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Thank you for your in depth analysis of the situation. As you mentioned, yes we are basically NAA GHAR KA NAA GHATKA.... As a Muslim what is fundamental to my core does go against being a Bangladeshi. I mentioned about my belief, because it also teaches me moderation, control, respect for others belief and lifestyle and above all SAABARR..which I am practicing and preaching.
About that..sitting through our national anthem falls in that category also.I stand at the stadium when indian,Pakistani, Srilankan anthem plays.I stand also when my other country's anthem plays.showing respect is part of my religious obligation.Believing and acting upon it against.
And as you pointed out, 71 is a dark chapter, I have no intention of closing it or moving away from it.especially when I see myself in the mirror. I am the spitting image of my young uncle who was murdered in war.
 
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Some exclusive picture of both related to Prof. Golam Azam and the our independence
in the picture from left Mustaq ahmed Awami leaque leader Mohammad Ali Mohesnudidn dudu mia (son of Haji shariutullah)
And Prof. Golam Azam meeting regarding east Pakistan before 1971.
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