Formation of All Pakistan Muslim League

[GUNNER]

Musharraf also represents a moderate social position and is violently opposed to the mullahs who have sunk the country.

And yet, the MMA ruled in two provinces during his regime.

As for cases etc. this is the very chief justice who took oath under the lfo and happily served mr Musharraf for many years. It was only after his corruption (illegal placement of son etc.) was found out that he developed an issue with the government.

While i do have differences with the current judicial activism, i don't agree to the above mentioned assertion. It was the first time that judiciary said 'no' to a dictator in the history of the country. Regardless of the reasons - allegations were also concocted by the Musharraf regime -i think the event will be remembered in history for what it was.

The long march included some civil society types, but it was by and large a pmlN affair.

The long march was the biggest public movement in years. It was spearheaded and kept afloat by lawyers, not politicians. The same politicians who could not rouse the public against the dictatorship, had to join the bandwagon only after they found out that the movement had large support of the general public. Dubbing it a PML-N affair is a gross misunderstanding of the whole movement.

Musharraf atleast has the mullah haters, army, mqm, pmlf/q, chattha, leghari, khurshid Kasuri and numerous others as his constituency. Not to mention a significant support base in urban centers and in rural areas that were developed during his tenure (count the number of miles of road in Baluchistan before and after Musharraf).

PML-F and Q are begging Nawaz to join them. Since Nawaz won't, they will be willing to throw theirr baggage behind Musharraf, but it won't count really. They can become a sizeable opposition but that will draw PML-N and PPP further closer. MQM is the only dependable party which will be willing to back Musharraf. But, they have always sided with the centre.

 

[Solomon2]

^^ I think you give too much credit to the people. Unfortunately, our people have never been sufficiently bothered to launch a full fledged mass agitation just to unseat a leader. Yes, they will attend rallies when you give them Rs. 300/man/day, transportation and two square meals, but they won't organize themselves and look out for their own interests on their own....the people here are like sheep...history does bear out the refusal of our populace to organize themselves sufficiently and launch a real movement against the status-quo.

Are you doing anything to change this, TL?

 

[Rafael]

^^ You may not have noticed that one of the most significant contributions made during Musharraf's recent flood fundraising telethon was by Khurshid Kasuri. Sheikh Rashid, Pir Pagara, Mushahid Husain and others will be back in Musharraf's camp in 5 seconds if they feel the GHQ is supportive. And Musharraf is smart enough to orchestrate things in a way that he has the Army's support.

As of now ML-Q and ML-F have made a committee to discuss the possibilities of a merger with PML-N so i don't see any indication that they are willing to join hands with Musharaff and allow him to lead their parties.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

There is a massive change coming in 2 years time period. I don't care if we see a mid term election--

A tip for the soldiers--Stop acting like big brothers. Support democracy and stop using your pagaras, chaudhary brothers etc

Otherwise, you will flow with the water.

A historical fact for you guys--Zia plane crashed due to his 'mullah isamic' approach--he misused that term--Yeah, you can name proxies behind it--However, the plan was made in the house of lords--He got several chances---

Same thing will happen--We are actually planning to disintegrate Pakistan if you guys cannot change your fate--You have very limited time to react--

I will not gain anything by stating this since I am not considering to live there---nor I like to make any links with Pakistanis--

It is not a fantasy nor an opinion.
Take me as a lay man, read the content. Like it--good--dislike--up to you--

When the word comes out of the house of lord--you cannot do anything--in fact, you will fly like birds but without wings.

I am not being sarcastic nor I want to get sarcastic replies. As I said earlier, like it--good--dislike--up to you.

If your fate is divided, you will divide--no one can stop!

The reason for this post was to caution you guys--We have the authority, you are the followers. Believe it or not!

 

[HAIDER]

As of now ML-Q and ML-F have made a committee to discuss the possibilities of a merger with PML-N so i don't see any indication that they are willing to join hands with Musharaff and allow him to lead their parties.

Well, Pir Pagara invite Nawaz to join them. That's indirect invitation to Nawaz League " naraz group" to join Pir Party.

 

[Tayyab1796]

Nawaz Sharif looks to be the biggest loser in all future scenarios.

 

[Rafael]

Well, Pir Pagara invite Nawaz to join them. That's indirect invitation to Nawaz League " naraz group" to join Pir Party.

Logically there should be no "Naraz group" in PML-N and that is because even a 10 year old knows that Nawaz Shareef is prime minister in waiting. Why would they leave the party now when they know that out of all political parties they are the ones most likely to be in power in upcoming elections?

 

[GUNNER]

Logically there should be no "Naraz group" in PML-N and that is because even a 10 year old knows that Nawaz Shareef is prime minister in waiting.

It's not a sure thing. Nothing is in politics. Right now, it doesn't appear like he is going to be the PM for sure because he hasn't increased his votebank outside of Punjab. Infact, PML-N has lost some seats in the by-polls in Punjab to the PPP. Unless he pulls something magical out of his hat, we are heading towards another coalition government as things stand right now - if the militarty doesn't step in by then.

 

[Rafael]

It's not a sure thing. Nothing is in politics. Right now, it doesn't appear like he is going to be the PM for sure because he hasn't increased his votebank outside of Punjab. Infact, PML-N has lost some seats in the by-polls in Punjab to the PPP. Unless he pulls something magical out of his hat, we are heading towards another coalition government as things stand right now - if the militarty doesn't step in by then.

True to some extent but again even if there is a coalition govt. it is most likely to be leaded by PML-N because its the second biggest political party in the country after PPP which is not gonna get majority this time around for obvious reasons.

Personally i would like not to see both of these parties in power again!

 

[TechLahore]

Are you doing anything to change this, TL?

Everyday, my friend, every single day. Our country is our life.

 

[TechLahore]

I will not gain anything by stating this since I am not considering to live there---nor I like to make any links with Pakistanis--

Well in that case why share your opinion here? And if you don't like links with Pakistanis, please let me know, I will be happy to deactivate your account. After all, you are participating on a Pakistani board and that might result in some accidental linkages being formed. I wouldn't want such a disaster to befall you.

 

[TechLahore]

As of now ML-Q and ML-F have made a committee to discuss the possibilities of a merger with PML-N so i don't see any indication that they are willing to join hands with Musharaff and allow him to lead their parties.

Please remember that the PML-N is an arbitrary grouping and most of the people in it were part of the PML-Q until recently. This is the lota lot and will easily switch loyalties.

Let me also tell you that the move by Q and F to have merger talks with N will only diminish the importance of Nawaz Sharif and is in fact a veiled mechanism by which to start the inevitable fragmentation of this party.

Musharraf doesn't have to head these parties. He just has to get their votes in parliament as part of a new dispensation. I think the future is one of alliances, not one where a single party will have the wherewithal to form and defend a government unilaterally.

 

[TechLahore]

Nawaz Sharif looks to be the biggest loser in all future scenarios.

Nawaz Sharif threw his lot in with Zardari and is no different from any of the other idiots currently in government. This government is not a PPP government. It is a PML-N/PPP alliance government and both are equally responsible for whatever unfolds.

 

[GUNNER]

Please remember that the PML-N is an arbitrary grouping and most of the people in it were part of the PML-Q until recently. This is the lota lot and will easily switch loyalties.

It was the other way around, my friend. The PML-Q members were part of the PML-N in the 97 Nawaz-led government. It was only Musharraf's coup that PML-Q was formed. And, most of the PML-Q members were willing to return to the N. Some did, others were rejected by the Sharifs and hence had to stay wheer they are.

Let me also tell you that the move by Q and F to have merger talks with N will only diminish the importance of Nawaz Sharif and is in fact a veiled mechanism by which to start the inevitable fragmentation of this party.

That's not the case. In fact, it shows the electoral reality which transpired in 2002 elections. If there was only one PML, the PPP would not have won so many seats. With a divided PML, PPP eventually out-votes them because the PML factions end up fighting and having a divided vote bank.

Musharraf doesn't have to head these parties. He just has to get their votes in parliament as part of a new dispensation.

I don't think he will have enough vote bank with the backing of PML-Q and PML-F unless he gets MQM on board. It will form a sizeable opposition with perhaps 50 odd seats. But, Q and F know that having Musharraf onboard will have more of a negative effect on their electoral bid. That's why they haven't openly said that their merger is a platform for Musharraf, which infact it is. Most of the Q and F people have their 'own seats', meaning they will win regardless of the side they are on. Musharraf's leading them or getting their backing will also have to get over some other obstacles which you will come to know if and when Musharraf returns.

I think the future is one of alliances, not one where a single party will have the wherewithal to form and defend a government unilaterally.

Agree on this part.

 

[TechLahore]

It was the other way around, my friend. The PML-Q members were part of the PML-N in the 97 Nawaz-led government. It was only Musharraf's coup that PML-Q was formed. And, most of the PML-Q members were willing to return to the N. Some did, others were rejected by the Sharifs and hence had to stay wheer they are.

Yes, and before that they were part of several other groupings. They are perpetual lotas. That was my larger point. One phone call and a little bit of "funding" will have them switching sides like nobody's business. I am sure you've seen that famous series of interviews with "leading" politicians who described how the IJI was formed. All it took was a few phone calls and a few pieces of paper bearing images of the Founder of the Nation.

I don't think he will have enough vote bank with the backing of PML-Q and PML-F unless he gets MQM on board. It will form a sizeable opposition with perhaps 50 odd seats. But, Q and F know that having Musharraf onboard will have more of a negative effect on their electoral bid. That's why they haven't openly said that their merger is
a platform for Musharraf, which infact it is. Most of the Q and F people have their 'own seats', meaning they will win regardless of the side they are on. Musharraf's leading them or getting their backing will also have to get over some other obstacles which you will come to know if and when Musharraf returns.

The MQM will support Musharraf.

Musharraf will likely contest on his own platform and then obtain the support of the other parties post election. There will be a pre-electoral seat arrangement between all these members of the future hypothetical alliance we are discussing. For example, Musharraf will not want to be seen as part of the MQM. Yet, the MQM will not oppose him. The PML-Q may not have Musharraf on board at the time of elections, but soon after they will all reconvene in Parliament as a unified alliance.