Forbes : To Catch Up With India, Pakistan Needs Modi's Magic

[MultaniGuy]

It is way behind in most of the parameters though.

1. Education (Literacy rate, Pakistan 57-58% vs Indian 75%, Pakistan is one of the few countries where literacy rate fell down by 2% )
2. Higher Education. (Got any university in top 100, 200, 300? ever? India has IISc and IITs. Checkout ARWU - Shanghai Ranking, Pakistan does not even shows up there.)
3. Life Expectancy at Birth. ( 65 vs 68 )
4. Poverty ( MPI ranking? India 0.191 vs Pakistan 0.230 )
5. Unemployment ( India 3.46% vs Pakistan 5.9%)
6. Health Care (I am yet to hear about Indians visiting Pakistan for transplant or other medical procedures )
7. BTW, most of your parameters will get worse this year as now only you have an accurate count of people. it was estimated that Pakistan has 190 million people, but latest census shows it is closer to 210 million.

Oh while we are at it, how long it took you to conduct census? like 20 years? weird country.

India does not have top universities in the world rankings.

Pakistani literacy is below Indias. I will concede that.

But when it comes to poverty, Pakistan has less poverty than India does in percentage and in numbers.

Get lost Indian and watch your mouth, this is a Pakistanis forum.

 

[SMC]

It is way behind in most of the parameters though.

1. Education (Literacy rate, Pakistan 57-58% vs Indian 75%, Pakistan is one of the few countries where literacy rate fell down by 2% )
2. Higher Education. (Got any university in top 100, 200, 300? ever? India has IISc and IITs. Checkout ARWU - Shanghai Ranking, Pakistan does not even shows up there.)
3. Life Expectancy at Birth. ( 65 vs 68 )
4. Poverty ( MPI ranking? India 0.191 vs Pakistan 0.230 )
5. Unemployment ( India 3.46% vs Pakistan 5.9%)
6. Health Care (I am yet to hear about Indians visiting Pakistan for transplant or other medical procedures )
7. BTW, most of your parameters will get worse this year as now only you have an accurate count of people. it was estimated that Pakistan has 190 million people, but latest census shows it is closer to 210 million.

Oh while we are at it, how long it took you to conduct census? like 20 years? weird country.

It seems like you are cherry picking data in which India does better in, while ignoring the rest.

1) First, FYI, Pakistan's poverty rate is significantly better than India's. Check out world bank information on this.

http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/PAK
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

Last available data for both countries is from 2011. India's poverty rate: 21.2%. Pakistan's poverty rate: 7.9%.

Second, you conveniently skip things that mother bharat doesn't do well in.

2) Access to proper sanitation. Half of bharat mata does not have access to toilet.
3) Access to electricity. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS

20% of bharat does not have access to electricity, whereas for Pakistan it's 2.5%

4) Your country's unemployment rate was fudged by its own government, and reported by your media:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...-unreliable/story-7qfd6zuNrM73gorYGMVOwO.html

5) You mention Pakistan's population was higher in the census by 10% or so, but you fail to mention that a rebasing of economy is expected to bring the GDP higher by at least 25%, and probably much more than that. Why did you not mentioned that?

6) Which Indian university currently ranks in the top 100-300 that you mention? Are you just dumping whatever comes out of your rear?

 

[MultaniGuy]

It seems like you are cherry picking data in which India does better in, while ignoring the rest.

1) First, FYI, Pakistan's poverty rate is significantly better than India's. Check out world bank information on this.

http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/PAK
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

Second, you conveniently skip things that mother bharat doesn't do well in.

2) Access to proper sanitation. Half of bharat mata does not have access to toilet.
3) Access to electricity. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS

20% of bharat does not have access to electricity, whereas for Pakistan it's 2.5%

4) Your country's unemployment rate was fudged by its own government, and reported by your media:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...-unreliable/story-7qfd6zuNrM73gorYGMVOwO.html

5) You mention Pakistan's population was higher in the census by 10% or so, but you fail to mention that a rebasing of economy is expected to bring the GDP higher by at least 25%, and probably much more than that. Why did you not mentioned that?

Thanks SMC.

Excellent post

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

India does not have top universities in the world rankings.

She does, IISc which has always featured in all the top ranking. THE ranking, ARWU ranking, ARWU Field Ranking in which it ranks similar to likes of Kyoto University Japan. Facts are not on your side buddy.

But when it comes to poverty, Pakistan has less poverty than India does in percentage and in numbers.

Multidimensionality Poverty Index -- which @RiazHaq often used to quote before Pakistan fell in that ranking -- is more comprehensive at measuring poverty and deprivation caused by that than a simple one dimensional povert line by PPP-USD. Pakistan has more poverty based on a more accurate index like that.

Get lost Indian and watch your mouth, this is a Pakistanis forum.

Lemme guess, Sun rises in the west on a Pakistani forum, eh? I am very much watching my mouth, you are losing your mind .

 

[SMC]

She does, IISc which has always featured in all the top ranking. THE ranking, ARWU ranking, ARWU Field Ranking in which it ranks similar to likes of Kyoto University Japan. Facts are not on your side buddy.

Let's post the links to this ranking. Then we have more data and more information to work with.

Multidimensionality Poverty Index -- which @RiazHaq often used to quote before Pakistan fell in that ranking -- is more comprehensive at measuring poverty and deprivation caused by that than a simple one dimensional povert line by PPP-USD. Pakistan has more poverty based on a more accurate index like that.

Let's post the links for this as well, so we have more information to work with.

 

[MultaniGuy]

She does, IISc which has always featured in all the top ranking. THE ranking, ARWU ranking, ARWU Field Ranking in which it ranks similar to likes of Kyoto University Japan. Facts are not on your side buddy.


Multidimensionality Poverty Index -- which @RiazHaq often used to quote before Pakistan fell in that ranking -- is more comprehensive at measuring poverty and deprivation caused by that than a simple one dimensional povert line by PPP-USD. Pakistan has more poverty based on a more accurate index like that.


Lemme guess, Sun rises in the west on a Pakistani forum, eh? I am very much watching my mouth, you are losing your mind .

BULLSHIT.

Pakistan has less poverty than India does.

LOL

Pakistan has less poverty than India does.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...els-higher-than-Pakistans-says-UN-report.html

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

A. That was not short.
B. 'Race' has nothing to do with any paradigm.
C. To reach Iranian or Turkish or Jordanian 'ranks' you will first have to cross Indian rank -- Which sadly you don't seem to be crossing anytime soon. Especially now that the true extant of your population is known.

4 years ago you may have had a point. But along came a global superpower and gave us CPEC. That will be our Marshall plan. Fruits of which will be seen in 20 years. It's a work in progress.

It is way behind in most of the parameters though.

1. Education (Literacy rate, Pakistan 57-58% vs Indian 75%, Pakistan is one of the few countries where literacy rate fell down by 2% )
2. Higher Education. (Got any university in top 100, 200, 300? ever? India has IISc and IITs. Checkout ARWU - Shanghai Ranking, Pakistan does not even shows up there.)
3. Life Expectancy at Birth. ( 65 vs 68 )
4. Poverty ( MPI ranking? India 0.191 vs Pakistan 0.230 )
5. Unemployment ( India 3.46% vs Pakistan 5.9%)
6. Health Care (I am yet to hear about Indians visiting Pakistan for transplant or other medical procedures )
7. BTW, most of your parameters will get worse this year as now only you have an accurate count of people. it was estimated that Pakistan has 190 million people, but latest census shows it is closer to 210 million.

Oh while we are at it, how long it took you to conduct census? like 20 years? weird country.

Provide a link to your figures. Otherwise thet become normal indian lies & propaganda. Wiki is not reliable by the way.

You know who else has beautiful and healthy race as per your thinking? Afghanistan

As long as they don't look like chimps or the missing link between humanity and apes, it's all good

 

[Dalit]

To Catch Up With India, Pakistan Needs Modi's Magic

Panos Mourdoukoutas ,

CONTRIBUTOR

/ AFP PHOTO / AAMIR QURESHI (Photo credit should read AAMIR QURESHI/AFP/Getty Images)

Pakistan’s leaders need to borrow Narendra Modi’s magic to lift their country up.

India and Pakistan have made good progress in recent years in lifting their economies up in key international rankings. But Pakistan’s progress lags far behind that of India’s. Pakistan, for instance, ranks 114 in global competitiveness ranking, while India ranks 40. Pakistan ranks 147 in the Ease of Doing Business ranking, India 100. Pakistan ranks 116 in global corruption ranking, India 79.

Country Global Competitiveness Ranking Ease Of Doing Business Ranking Corruption Ranking GDP Growth
Pakistan 115 147 116 5.28%
India 40 100 79 5.7
Source: Tradingingeconomics.com 11/6/17

Financial markets have taken notice. S&P India 50 is up 32.35% over the last two years, while Pakistan’s Global X MSCI Index is down 2.64%.



Index/Fund 2-year Performance
Global X MSCI Pakistan (PAK) -2.64%
iShares S&P India 50 (INDY) 32.55%
Source: Finance.yahoo.com 11/6/17

India owes its rapid ascent in global rankings to Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s magic, easing the many regulations that have constrained the ingenuity of the Indian people. Simplifying these procedures has made it easier for entrepreneurs to start a business.


Then there’s been steady progress with economic reforms, e.g., the loosening of controls on foreign investment, reduction of export-import taxes, and the removal of price controls.

And the swap of 500 and 1000 rupee notes to fight corruption, which usually leads to large government budget and current account deficits, while constraining competition and technological progress.

Modi’s magic isn’t confined to domestic policy. It extends to foreign affairs where he has forged close ties with US and Japan.

The Indian leader’s policies are in sharp contrast to those of Pakistani leaders who have been entangled by local corruption rather than fighting it; and in their choice of the wrong ally—China—when it comes to foreign policy.

Time for Pakistan’s leaders to catch up with Modi.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosm...ndia-pakistan-needs-modis-magic/#739e0dbe7d52

LOL this Greek fella has an unhealthy obsession with Pakistan.

Who would want to have Modi’s magic? From a failed demonization policy to hardline Hindu nationalism taking center stage in India. If that is called magic and progress we need to change the meaning of these words.

Pakistan has done wonders by joining hands with China. We don’t need lessons from a Greek fool pretending to be an American. Pakistan will stay a million miles away from Trumpland and Japan. Two nations which are hellbent on detroying China. Our future and destiny lies with China. Not the USA and we are extremely happy with that decision.

One thing is certain. The Americans are crazily possessed and upset about Pakistan’s decision to team up with China. It has hurt them deeply and such continued propaganda articles demonstrate this shamelessly. America needs to quit sobbing and move on.

We fully understand where this pain stems from. Pakistan doesn’t belong in the US camp. The US needs to learn to accept that reality.

 

[Sharpshooter12]

I'm not sure a MODI can ever happen IN PAKISTAN.

Its not a democracy

Yes a Modi will never happen in Pakistan, because no matter what your propaganda tells you, we'll never select a person responsible for the death of thousands of a minority into power. Our democracy has never and will never put religious extremists in power in Pakistan unlike our eastern neighbor.

 

[PDFChamp]

To Catch Up With India, Pakistan Needs Modi's Magic

Panos Mourdoukoutas ,

This article is a waste and another example of white class privilege. The one that gave us Trump and just as Hindutva gave you Modi. Can Modi be anyone's savior? He gave up his thinking for the RSS and lets them use him. Just like the slumdogs were taught to Beg for Money, Modi is used to Beg for Votes. His brand of a fearless leader is just an empty promise. Modi can't really know anything because he hasn't done anything, other than to be the right brand to get the votes while other nitwits do the dirty work even in Gujarat. And, you handed over your country to him?

India and Pakistan: Repeat of the Hare vs. the Tortoise.

While Modi jumps from one failed "surgical strike" to the next, Pakistan is quietly building infra, energy and entering into the next phase of CPEC for Long Term steady growth. Slow and Steady does it.

PM Modi the Prime Messer-upper

 

[tarrar]

Modis magic? WTF. Pakistan only needs a good leadership to take Pakistan forward.

 

[Ocelot]

While I don't see anything special in Modi (a right-wing hardliner like him would prove to be disastrous for a country like Pak), some Pakistanis here also need to get off the high horse and accept that India is doing a lot better, for the last 20 years at least, due to not being a center of global power struggles. Unless you don't see an issue, you'd never think about fixing it. We should have an attitude to better ourselves rather than having a mentality of 'oh they have more poor than us', which is disastrous in long term.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

While I don't see anything special in Modi (a right-wing hardliner like him would prove to be disastrous for a country like Pak), some Pakistanis here also need to get off the high horse and accept that India is doing a lot better, for the last 20 years at least, due to not being a center of global power struggles. Unless you don't see an issue, you'd never think about fixing it. We should have an attitude to better ourselves rather than having a mentality of 'oh they have more poor than us', which is disastrous in long term.

At least 110 countries have done better than Pakistan in the last 20 years. Why compare with india? Why not compare ourselves with Iran, Turkey, Argentina, Colombia etc? Ultimately we ARE NOT indians. Shall we start comparing horses with ants now too?

 

[Ocelot]

At least 110 countries have done better than Pakistan in the last 20 years. Why compare with india? Why not compare ourselves with Iran, Turkey, Argentina, Colombia etc? Ultimately we ARE NOT indians. Shall we start comparing horses with ants now too?

Point is not about comparing (Pakistanis hardly compare themselves with Indian, its mostly Indians do, because Pak for the most part of history was a better country), point is about the complacency that's being shown in the thread. Complacency is disastrous no matter who you are or the background you belong.

 

[EndangeredSpecies]

1) First, FYI, Pakistan's poverty rate is significantly better than India's. Check out world bank information on this.

http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/PAK
http://povertydata.worldbank.org/poverty/country/IND

Last available data for both countries is from 2011. India's poverty rate: 21.2%. Pakistan's poverty rate: 7.9%.

I have already covered this. Read my previous post why MPI is a better index for measuring poverty and deprivation.

2) Access to proper sanitation. Half of bharat mata does not have access to toilet.

Only area in which India is behind. But the data is from 2013/14 even in the latest reports. Modi's extensive campaign against this will have visible results.

4) Your country's unemployment rate was fudged by its own government, and reported by your media:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...-unreliable/story-7qfd6zuNrM73gorYGMVOwO.html

Did you even read the article? It says the following

India’s unemployment rate was 4.68% as on March 5, 2017, which is in sync with the BJP’s claim, according to real-time data from the Bombay Stock Exchange (BSE). Urban India reported a higher unemployment rate (6.13%) than rural India (3.9%).

BTW, Pakistan till very recently didn't even know how many pakistani were there. All your measures need to be recalculated based on the fresh population estimate of 211 million instead of assumed 193 million. It will push Pakistan back by a decade on social measures or rather put it in its right place, at the bottom .

5) You mention Pakistan's population was higher in the census by 10% or so, but you fail to mention that a rebasing of economy is expected to bring the GDP higher by at least 25%, and probably much more than that. Why did you not mentioned that?

I was not including economic measures for a reason. The original discussion was for social measures.

6) Which Indian university currently ranks in the top 100-300 that you mention? Are you just dumping whatever comes out of your rear?

No it came out of ARWU ranking including ARWU - Field ranking. And Times Higher Education ranking. BTW, Pakistan does not even appear in ARWU ranking. Funny, did you I-run friends forget you?

Provide a link to your figures. Otherwise thet become normal indian lies & propaganda. Wiki is not reliable by the way.

Sure why not!

1. Education
Pakistan : https://tribune.com.pk/story/1419396/economic-survey-literacy-rate-pakistan-slips-2/ See for yourself, how great your prosperous and educated Pakistan is. A country which slipped in literacy rate
India : https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...but-so-is-illiteracy/articleshow/50749744.cms

2. Higher Education :
http://www.shanghairanking.com/ARWU2017.html
http://www.shanghairanking.com/FieldSCI2016.html . (University ranking in Science, search for India and Pakistan )
http://www.shanghairanking.com/FieldENG2016.html . ( University ranking in Engineering)
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2018/world-ranking

3. . Life Expectancy at Birth
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN?locations=IN-PK

4. Poverty (MPI)
http://www.dataforall.org/dashboard/ophi/index.php/mpi/download_brief_files/IND
http://www.dataforall.org/dashboard/ophi/index.php/mpi/download_brief_files/PAK

5. Unemployment
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.UEM.TOTL.ZS?locations=IN-PK

6. Healthcare
Goto Sushma Swaraj's twitter account, you can find enough Pakistani begging for Indian Visa for medical treatment. I don't see it other way round.

7. Population and Census.
http://www.pbscensus.gov.pk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Census_of_Pakistan