For everybody who think F22 is still the best should see this

[r3alist]

No, it is not. Show me a single human behavior, not physical or cultural artifact, but behavior, that is singularly unique to a race, as much as we can define what is a 'race' and its associated characteristics. And as far as culture and cultural artifacts goes, those are associated to NATIONS, not race.

Here is the proper definition of 'nation'...

- Noun
- A large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.
- A North American Indian people or confederation of peoples.

The Americans, or citizens of the United States of America, is a nation and it is a racially diverse nation. When I was stationed in England, I had an English G/F and she said most Britons can spot an American, regardless of racial origin, simply by his demeanor and walk.

You have a problem with experience and observation to support cultural (not racial) stereotyping? Then read on because there are plenty of scholarly literature on it...

Cultural Stereotypes, or National Character? | Psychology Today

Define behaviour in this context......there are behavioral traits associated with countries that are less ethnically diverse, what happens then but to discriminate by race, but use culture as a proxy....silly thinking, an apology for discrimination.


Experience and observation can be a hopelessly narrow criteria, a 10 year old can tell you that.

 

[gambit]

Define behaviour in this context......there are behavioral traits associated with countries that are less ethnically diverse, what happens then but to discriminate by race, but use culture as a proxy....

No, the burden is on YOU. You said that cultural stereotyping is wrong because it is essentially a stand-in for racial stereotyping. I showed you one respectable source/commentary that says cultural stereotyping is normal and inevitable. So if you are going to accuse me of being a racist, support your argument by showing me one behavioral artifact that is singularly unique to a racial and/or ethnic group that cannot be found in others and cannot be transferable to another.

The joke is that if you tie an Italian's hands, he cannot talk. It may be a joke but it does have a lot of truth in it from experience and observation that the Italian people tends to be very active with their hands when they converse. This is such a significant cultural artifact in Italian life that there are even instructional videos about it. However, hand gestures are not singularly unique to Italians. Britons does it. So do Spaniards. And so do Americans. The Japanese are far more restrained but they too have hand gestures.

If you shake hands with someone and the man either hold yours with both hands or his left hand grasp your right arm, this is a cultural artifact of a politician. Most Western politicians do this, but far less for Asian politicians, and for the Japanese, they bow. This is a perfectly normal cultural stereotype that transcends borders and nationalities.

Cultural stereotyping are all over and is a valid part of any social studies.

Australian Stereotypes and Cultural Identity - Culture and Society - Browse - Big Ideas - ABC TV

Cultural Identity and Stereotyping | The Glaring Facts

silly thinking, an apology for discrimination.

Using the word 'apology' is not going to help your argument.

Experience and observation can be a hopelessly narrow criteria, a 10 year old can tell you that.

And neither does this...

 

[TheJewverine]

looks like you pray to US more often



you mean it was absorbing the rain?

Not really sure why this was said, but I'll take it to mean you agree with what I said, but don't want to admit it.

 

[Black Widow]

F22 Raptor Exposed - Why the F22 Was Cancelled - YouTube

send your entire squadron of Su30MKI againts couple of F22 and see what is it... Stop posting stupid (pessimist) nonsense...

 

[OrionHunter]

First it was the disaster called the F-35. Now this, the F-22 raptor! Jeeez! This has left the USAF fuming! What else they got to rely on? F-15 SEs and F-16s - both vintage platforms almost 4 decades old. US vulnerability in the air is getting to be alarming what with the new kids on the block from China and Russia - The J-20, J-31 and the T-50 PAK FA.

 

[neehar]

send your entire squadron of Su30MKI againts couple of F22 and see what is it... Stop posting stupid (pessimist) nonsense...

if at all india goes to a war mki is its front line weapon..and america is at war always..how many times and how many places did it use f22?????

 

[jhungary]

if at all india goes to a war mki is its front line weapon..and america is at war always..how many times and how many places did it use f22?????

We don't use F-22 because we don't need to at the moment.

Fighting a war is not as simple as you juts out all your gear to fight with all the enemy gear, man to man, plane to plane, warship to warship. There are necessity and budget concern about fighting a war. Risk factor is also in play.

The reason why we don't need to use F-22 yet even we have been in 5 or 6 conflict after F-22 was deployed is simple because We don't need them.

The war we had since 1998 are only opts tothird grade airforce and at best second grade. What they process is some Mig-29 or Some Su-27 and in low number. We have enough squadron of F-15 and F-16 as well as navy's F-18 to deal with them. Why do we need to risk losing a F-22 from whatever reason (Ground Fire, AAM, Mechanical Failure) and let enemy know our secret to do some job that even F-18 can do.

F-22 is just a tool in our arsenal. We may need to use it, maybe not. The problem is, you always balance the need and risk before you commit an asset into the fray. Even if US is at war with India tomorrow, we still don't need to use the F-22 as we have enough F15, F16 and F-18 to deal with the air power of India. Why we need to risk a single F-22 to do that job. You don't need much to reveal the secret of F-22, you only need 1 wreck.

We may need it if we are facing a big gun like China or Russia, otherwise risk is more than good to deploy F-22 anywhere, period.

 

[Juice]

No genius, I am a college Professor, It is not about me.

I would rather see that money be spent on education than wasted on a stupid project like F-22 Raptor.

I would rather use that money to gaurantee loans to young entrepreneurs to start up new companies that create jobs which are sustainable.

You sound like a brainless republican on a mindless defense spending spree.

Dr. of Phrenology?

 

[gambit]

Dr. of Phrenology?

Reminds me of an old Benny Hill skit about any man wanting to get married should have his head examined.

 

[r3alist]

No, the burden is on YOU. You said that cultural stereotyping is wrong because it is essentially a stand-in for racial stereotyping. I showed you one respectable source/commentary that says cultural stereotyping is normal and inevitable. So if you are going to accuse me of being a racist, support your argument by showing me one behavioral artifact that is singularly unique to a racial and/or ethnic group that cannot be found in others and cannot be transferable to another.

The joke is that if you tie an Italian's hands, he cannot talk. It may be a joke but it does have a lot of truth in it from experience and observation that the Italian people tends to be very active with their hands when they converse. This is such a significant cultural artifact in Italian life that there are even instructional videos about it. However, hand gestures are not singularly unique to Italians. Britons does it. So do Spaniards. And so do Americans. The Japanese are far more restrained but they too have hand gestures.

If you shake hands with someone and the man either hold yours with both hands or his left hand grasp your right arm, this is a cultural artifact of a politician. Most Western politicians do this, but far less for Asian politicians, and for the Japanese, they bow. This is a perfectly normal cultural stereotype that transcends borders and nationalities.

Cultural stereotyping are all over and is a valid part of any social studies.

Australian Stereotypes and Cultural Identity - Culture and Society - Browse - Big Ideas - ABC TV

Cultural Identity and Stereotyping | The Glaring Facts


Using the word 'apology' is not going to help your argument.


And neither does this...

this is a hopeless response, i did not say all stereotypes are associated with race. just that they can be associated with race, therefore you can be essentially using culture as a proxy for racism, or at best xenophobia.

there are cultural stereotypes that exists for chinese, or indians, or africans......now if you are stereotyping chinese or indians or africans you are implicitly stereotyping a certain group of people who belong to a particular racial group (well a similar enough racial group for the less knowing racist), so yes you can can be accused of making an apology for racism because its a thin line to tread, you clearly need to think your response out a bit more and see where it leads.

 

[Viper0011.]

First it was the disaster called the F-35. Now this, the F-22 raptor! Jeeez! This has left the USAF fuming! What else they got to rely on? F-15 SEs and F-16s - both vintage platforms almost 4 decades old. US vulnerability in the air is getting to be alarming what with the new kids on the block from China and Russia - The J-20, J-31 and the T-50 PAK FA.

Well, I am not sure as to if I am responding to a 10 year old child or someone who just doesn't understand how military and weapon systems work. I AM hoping that you don't belong to the IAF's air strategic command because you'll get their as* handed to them if you keep on hallucinating like this.

Allow me to shed some light on the F-22. Ever heard of special ops or special warfare? Or in Police's terms, the 'SWAT' team? (Special Weapons and Tactics, for those who don't know the meaning of the term SWAT).

The F-22 is your special ops plane or the SWAT team of the US military's air arm. These aren't your regular F-16's or F-15's. These are HIGHLY specialized planes (and weapon systems) designed to be used for the first strike in majority of the cases to establish air superiority. Let's take an example of IAF here as you are from India questioning the F-22's capability.

Say in a conflict with India, the USAF will deploy the F-22's. Upon pressing the trigger, the F-22 will get in, take out as many SU-30's as possible, will pretty much neutralize the combat capability of the IAF and will leave the rest of the basic combat work to F-16's and the F-15's, etc. But the catch is, when the F-16's and the F-15's will be flying CAP, the IAF's offensive and defensive capability would have been neutralized by about 60-75% (specially its top arsenal such as the SU-30, Mirages, Rafale, etc).
Then a secondary role for the Raptor is to provide escort to different strike packages. Imagine TWO Raptors providing escort to a strike package, able to take out about a full squadron of Su-30's or other air defense articles without getting detected. Who's going to stop the strike package.....??
Now if you lost a couple of Raptors due to whatever issues with the machine.....does that really matter in this scenario? You've successfully eliminated the enemy's combat force, you've secured potentially hundreds of lives of the USAF / USN pilots who would otherwise be fighting with a similar plane with similar capability, resulting in increasing the odds of getting shot down (like F-16 or F-15 vs. the SU-30 or Rafale). So as you can see clearly, the Raptor advantage is unmatched by any conventional military and even with a few problems that it may have.
Last but not least, do me a favor, quit smoking whatever you are on and avoid these baseless, stupid comparisons. It makes you look very naive in front of the readers!

 

[Zabaniyah]

Why people always make fun of F-22

 

[Luffy 500]

I can understand the trillion $$ disaster F-35 but F22 is said to be the most advance jet of today , at least a decade ahead in tech compared to Russia. But it had reported oxygen problems causing hypoxia symptoms in pilots.

 

[T-123456]

BS,there is nothing better then the F-22 on the planet for now.