Foolish Indian Belligerence Makes Year 2018 Record Breaking Deadly for Indian Soldiers at LOC

[Hamza913]

They have reported isolated deaths here and there and not reported a lot of deaths in previous years also.

Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. You claim that just because they don't report as many deaths as YOU think there should be, that this means they're hiding things? Unless you have evidence for that claim, it's just plain silly.

 

[Osiris]

Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. You claim that just because they don't report as many deaths as YOU think there should be, that this means they're hiding things? Unless you have evidence for that claim, it's just plain silly.

No, it is a proven fact, that ISPR is not reporting all the deaths in previous years also.

It is also a proven fact they refuse to give the total number deaths they have suffered..though they are quite happy to share the cumulative number of civilians cassuaties suffered and civillians injured.

 

[Hamza913]

No, it is a proven fact, that ISPR is not reporting all the deaths in previous years also.

It is also a proven fact they refuse to give the total number deaths they have suffered..though they are quite happy to share the cumulative number of civilians cassuaties suffered and civillians injured.

I'd like to see such proof, preferably not from India.

 

[Osiris]

I'd like to see such proof, preferably not from India.

Read post 4 on this thread and if possible answer it, based on facts.

P.S. That is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Signalian]

Why should they? If the casualties are too low, the PA will go crazy and start escalating things. If they're about the same/too high, morale will decrease.

Better to stay quiet.

You are falling into the trap set up by this Indian troll whom you are replying. You might get beaten by experience of trolling.

Low morale of PA troops if causalities are high ? If you know anything about PA, you must be knowing that troops avenge death of their fallen brothers, there is no exhibit of low morale, in fact officers and troops volunteer to be posted on critical posts to have a shot at the enemy responsible for their fallen brother. There have been thousands of causalities in Ops conducted in FATA/KPK, the morale never went down, there is no reason for morale to go down on LOC.

ISPR is not publishing such report due to many reasons; one of them is security of Pakistani civilians, if PA deaths are far less than enemy deaths, the enemy starts targeting civilians viciously to make up the numbers. Civilians are easier targets, wearing bright clothes, non-camouflaged, unaware of surroundings going on and about their daily lives. The main issue on Pakistan side of LOC is enemy targeting civilians. the UNMOGIP is a witness to it.

If it burns the enemy and their representatives on PDF, that ISPR is not publishing the report, be assured its for good reasons, try not to get intimidated by the enemy or his representatives.

 

[Signalian]

I can't speak about the LOC but I can definitely speak about certain operations which took place in 2015 in tirah valley, there was a confirmed report by wajshat S Khan that despite holding off the TTP for 2 night, somewhere in the region of 70-120 Pakistan army jawaans were shaheed. Usually I'd rubbish sush a reports but this was coming from wahajat s Khan. I also spoke to someone who's cousin fought in the operation and he told me that we suffered heavy casualties due to the terrain and poor planning this was in contrast to the shit ISPR reported. And the reason why the casualties were watered down was to prevent moral being low. But those same generals who are far away from the firing lines don't give a shit because it's not there sons who's getting killed in combat, they will never be held accountable for there mistakes.

Morale of nation being low, not jawans.

Divisional or Corps sized Ops are usually on a larger AOR so high numbers can show up, thousands of soldiers deployed and then converging towards a main objective, like a circle shrinking. LOC is very different in deployment aspect.

 

[CriticalThought]

kiya patta abdullah khud he dulha ho

Yaani parai shaadi main Abdullah dulha. Yeh tu Indian film ja scene ho gaya

YEH SHAADI NAHI HO SAKTI!!!!

I'm a humanist and I'm.against killing, you only realize what the cost of life is when some one close to you dies. With that being said I think the mods should close it down its disrespectful to the families, most ppl fighting on the border are guys from poor villages, they are there out of necessity the fact ppl can thumbs up this and celebrate this as a moral victory is just absurd.


I can't speak about the LOC but I can definitely speak about certain operations which took place in 2015 in tirah valley, there was a confirmed report by wajshat S Khan that despite holding off the TTP for 2 night, somewhere in the region of 70-120 Pakistan army jawaans were shaheed. Usually I'd rubbish sush a reports but this was coming from wahajat s Khan. I also spoke to someone who's cousin fought in the operation and he told me that we suffered heavy casualties due to the terrain and poor planning this was in contrast to the shit ISPR reported. And the reason why the casualties were watered down was to prevent moral being low. But those same generals who are far away from the firing lines don't give a shit because it's not there sons who's getting killed in combat, they will never be held accountable for there mistakes.

My mum use to say this, which she heard from her elders

Ghora ghaas say piyar karay ga tu khai GA kiya?

When a general leads men to war, he must rip the heart out of his chest. Occupational hazard that comes with the territory.

 

[Zarvan]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1085106449078837250

@Areesh start taking notes of this year

 

[Osiris]

I can't speak about the LOC but I can definitely speak about certain operations which took place in 2015 in tirah valley, there was a confirmed report by wajshat S Khan that despite holding off the TTP for 2 night, somewhere in the region of 70-120 Pakistan army jawaans were shaheed. Usually I'd rubbish sush a reports but this was coming from wahajat s Khan. I also spoke to someone who's cousin fought in the operation and he told me that we suffered heavy casualties due to the terrain and poor planning this was in contrast to the shit ISPR reported. And the reason why the casualties were watered down was to prevent moral being low. But those same generals who are far away from the firing lines don't give a shit because it's not there sons who's getting killed in combat, they will never be held accountable for there mistakes.

Thank you for you honesty, do appreciate the fact. With all due respect to Pakistani soldiers, who laid down their lives.
Even back then, there were threads here on PDF, how casualties suffered by Pakistani forces, did not tally with official declared numbers(just 4 soldiers) .

Then PDF posters here wonder, how is it possible for the army to hide heavy casualties, despite having free media.

 

[Krptonite]

This has turned into a circular argument, one side believes that PA reports deaths on an individual basis and a cumulative count can be made based on that, the other considers the lack of such data, a planned move with the aim of suppressing losses or any other strategic reason, with neither side willing to address each others points or unwilling to acknowledge them.

From past conflicts a similar trend can be observed wherein both sides will downplay casualties(or highlight them if it serves a purpose). This practice is prevalant all over the world, to come to a conclusion based only on media reports ( both are biased against each other) would be incorrect.

Its my opinion that on both sides, the powers that be, send grunts in this effed up meat grinder show of upmanship. Each side has grievances, each has lost brothers and harbours feelings of revenge.

 

[newb3e]

modi logic "more indians were born in 2018 than those that became target of Pakistan army at loc so we are good bharat!";

 

[War Thunder]

So we are posting pictures of the dead to laugh and joke and celebrate?

We must be some special civilized people who are definitely better than the indians for sure?

 

[Mighty Lion]

I have a simple challenge for all Pakistanis , prove that these four LoC casualties from 2016 were reported in Pak media or ISPR back in 2016 when they occurred or atleast well before GHQ award ceremony in April 2018:

1) Sepoy Ali gohar 18 Oct 2016
2) L/Nk Mohammed Intizar 08 Nov 2016
3) Sepoy Khial Muhammad 18 Nov 2016
4) Sepoy Nazar Mahmoud 23 Nov 2016 (Kel sector)

If you find any media report from 2016, local or national, I will accept that Pakistan always reports casualties.

If you fail it proves ISPR is dishonest about reporting own LoC casualties.
Easy challenge.

About a 100 posts and 12 hrs later, no one mananged to complete my challenge.
This alone proves what we are saying.

 

[Krptonite]

So we are posting pictures of the dead to laugh and joke and celebrate?
We must be some special civilized people who are definitely better than the indians for sure?

Aptly put for the first point, whereas i disagree for the second, we should strive to better people in general, there are bad apples on both sides, no need for name calling.

 

[blueazure]

circle jerking by indians here on full speed thrust,


from early 2017 till end 2018 , india totally made LoC ' Hot" , in a folly to entice pakistan going all out with india.

there was never a military sense for pointless shoot out on the LoC in the first place, on one rare occasion ( after uri attacks i guess) , indians did try to storm some posts in chakothi yet were given a due thrashing had to retreat accordingly. PA squaddies on MG nests had to actually fire at the dogs and vultures who were feasting on the dead bodies on indians .

not saying that pakistan didnt take any casualties, we lost a good number of civilians and khaki alike , yet pakistan has totally checkmated india on LoC


1. kashmir intifida is now out of control

2. pakistan's dormant and snoozed off kashmir policy has been revived. a full scale insurgency in kashmir is being planned

3. indians do not have the nerve for a full blown man to man fight . that is now known. nit picking with mortars wont help the zealots in delhi please .