Food secy removed over sugar issue

[ghazi52]

.,,.
We are so consistent that our news has not changed for fifty years!!
See the newspaper of December 1, 1972!!

Sugar thieves will not be forgiven?
If the sugar prices are not brought down to the appropriate level, the sugar mills will be taken into national custody without paying to the mill owners.

 

[VkdIndian]

We are so consistent that our news has not changed for fifty years!!

Chalo, kahi to consistency ka muzahira kiya?

 

[epebble]

@Olympus81

Good suggestions, as usual. Incidentally, India has already achieved a little over 10% doping of petrol with ethanol. In the next stage, India iintends to push it upto 20% over the next 3-4 years. Flex fuel based cars (which can use upto 100% ethanol ) are also on pipeline.

There are exciting possibilities with sugarcane
Use pressmud to produce compressed biogas (already started in india), fermented organic manure and biopotash.
Use bagasse and cane trash and tops to produce second generation ethanol (very expensive currently though) and in future bio diesel and synthetic jetfuels (by biomass gassification)

Regards

Why do all these wasteful things instead of cutting down on sugar cane cultivation and use it to grow oil seeds like soybean or rapeseed. Net energy efficiency of ethanol as fuel is not high and may even be negative.

 

[Olympus81]

Why do all these wasteful things instead of cutting down on sugar cane cultivation and use it to grow oil seeds like soybean or rapeseed. Net energy efficiency of ethanol as fuel is not high and may even be negative.

Most South East Asian countries are doing this.

Use ethanol (by product of sugar cane production) and use it as a mix in fuel. Most cars are compatible with this kind of fuel (90/10 or 95/5 mix). Helps reduce the oil import bill considerably. Especially when there is a commodity super cycle.

 

[epebble]

Helps reduce the oil import bill considerably. Especially when there is a commodity super cycle.

But cultivating oil seeds and legumes will reduce import bill by multiple times of what is saved by not importing petroleum. It also saves on water.

 

[Olympus81]

But cultivating oil seeds and legumes will reduce import bill by multiple times of what is saved by not importing petroleum. It also saves on water.

Depends on the country. Maybe some countries look towards import substitutions rather than focusing on extracting new product for export (assuming they don’t have local consumption). My knowledge here is limited.

 

[SaadH]

Army is a part of the swamp.

Army is the swamp

Most South East Asian countries are doing this.

Use ethanol (by product of sugar cane production) and use it as a mix in fuel. Most cars are compatible with this kind of fuel (90/10 or 95/5 mix). Helps reduce the oil import bill considerably. Especially when there is a commodity super cycle.

No commission for faujeets in import substitution, plus hindutva bosses stay happy.

 

[epebble]

Depends on the country. Maybe some countries look towards import substitutions rather than focusing on extracting new product for export (assuming they don’t have local consumption). My knowledge here is limited.

This is not a difficult question. Just list the net income generated by growing various crops at market prices and pick the most profitable. Whether it is imports or exports, at the end, all money is green in color and indistinguishable.

For example,
In India:
ethanol price is 65.60 per liter.

Govt hikes ethanol price to Rs 65.60 per litre

The Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs (CCEA), headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi raised the price of ethanol extracted from sugarcane juice to Rs 65.60 per litre from Rs 63.45 per litre for the supply year beginning in December 2022. The rate for ethanol from C-heavy molasses has been...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Lentil price is 70.70 per kilogram.

Lentil (Masur)(Whole) mandi price

Lentil (Masur)(Whole) mandi price

www.commodityonline.com

Soybean oil is 85 per kilogram.

Soybean Oil | SOPA

www.sopa.org

It is more effort to produce ethanol (crushing, fermentation, distillation ...) compared to growing food crops. Growing excess sugarcane and making fuel ethanol in India is a very bad economic policy decision when they are importing lentils and edible oil.

 

[Olympus81]

Did you multiply by the expected volume?

Anyways there are many factors and markets are slow to adapt but eventually they do.

 

[epebble]

Did you multiply by the expected volume?

Anyways there are many factors and markets are slow to adapt but eventually they do.

Productivity per acre is 2,000 kilograms of ethanol, 700 kilograms of lentil and 2,000 kilograms of soybeans. Hard to compare ethanol cost of production since it is a manufactured product and hence involves cost of capital etc., But common sense dictates it is a bad idea as long as you are importing food.

 

[maithil]

Productivity per acre is 2,000 kilograms of ethanol, 700 kilograms of lentil and 2,000 kilograms of soybeans. Hard to compare ethanol cost of production since it is a manufactured product and hence involves cost of capital etc., But common sense dictates it is a bad idea as long as you are importing food.

It's just making something good of a bad situation. Farmers are not ready to shift to lentils and oil seeds. They blackmail governments and government has to do something for this over production of sugarcane.

 

[epebble]

Farmers are not ready to shift to lentils and oil seeds

Why? At the end, the only thing that matters is how much they earn. Why do they care what they grow?

 

[maithil]

Why? At the end, the only thing that matters is how much they earn. Why do they care what they grow?

Too lazy and too dumb. They are used to growing sugarcane. Govt ensures their produce gets bought at good profit. They are the biggest status quoist group. You will not find another bunch so ready to fight against their own interests.