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Focusing on LNG, govt bans new solar and wind projects

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When I said govt did that before I WAS criticized that no such thing happened!

Hun dasso!

While india is trying to achieve green energy and save money in long run we are trying our very best to be dependent on LNG and debts :tup: :tup: :tup:

Gas lobby is very strong in Pakistan
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Sharif is gonna make a lot of money
 
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Banning solar is a good decision but with wind energy, it is difficult to agree.

There was a news couple of weeks back that Solar power planst are coming in big way in Pakistan.
 
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Instead of of installing some 4000000 solar panels in hundreds and thousands of Sq. Kilometer area and then hiring an army of workers for there maintenance and paying in millions for these operations, wont it be wiser to install some 500 odd wind mills? Can you compare the work force required to maintain the millions of panels compared to the one required to look after 500 win mills?

A 100MW plant (such as the one recently installed in bahawalpur) requires roughly 250-300 acres or so if it's fixed panels. This plant will produce roughly 15-20 MW continuous power.

So basically land requirement per MW of continuous solar power is about ~15 acres. Or about 3.5 acre per MW of rated capacity.
 
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There was a news couple of weeks back that Solar power planst are coming in big way in Pakistan.
Chinese help if you leave it for our govt they would never have done a thing about it! LNG and debts is the only thing they can think off!

There is absolutely no doubt in that. As i clearly mentioned, i am all OK with Solar as a private solution. Dont you think that people covering to solar will help reduce he load on national gird? isn't this the aim? then why sped billions on installation and then maintenance? Private sector buying and converting to solar for homes, offices, small industries will help reduce the load on national gird immensely. For production at national scale i think we have better options available.
I already fully agreed on this bit :tup:
 
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Chinese help if you leave it for our govt they would never have done a thing about it! LNG and debts is the only thing they can think off!


I already fully agreed on this bit :tup:
hawww
matlab behas khatam :(

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Good to know we are in agreement here! :tup:
I hope the Gov. will start think on similar lines as that will be really great for our development.

A 100MW plant (such as the one recently installed in bahawalpur) requires roughly 250-300 acres or so if it's fixed panels. This plant will produce roughly 15-20 MW continuous power.

So basically land requirement per MW of continuous solar power is about ~15 acres. Or about 3.5 acre per MW of rated capacity.
Well 3.5 acre per MW makes it hundreds and thousands of acres for a 1000 MW plant that we were discussing. Anyway, that is ONLY PART of the problem. Other issues that are against Solar and in favor of Wind power have been discussed in previous posts. That might help. :tup:
 
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Solar plants can be free energy source 0.01% land in Baluchistan can fuel whole Pakistan's need
 
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hawww
matlab behas khatam :(

:lol:

Good to know we are in agreement here! :tup:
I hope the Gov. will start think on similar lines as that will be really great for our development.
Yes I agree that solar panels should be allowed for individual and small scale business to help relief the national grid! However, I do understand it is too expensive for individuals however, those who can afford it should be encouraged to put them! Australia gives some incentives to people willing to install solar panels...
 
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Well 3.5 acre per MW makes it hundreds and thousands of acres for a 1000 MW plant that we were discussing. Anyway, that is ONLY PART of the problem. Other issues that are against Solar and in favor of Wind power have been discussed in previous posts. That might help. :tup:

No stupid, 1,000 MW of PV just takes 3,500 acres, not hundreds of thousands. This 3,500 acres will produce anywhere from 150-200MW continuous power. They have reserved something like 4,000 acres for the project.
 
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Chinese help if you leave it for our govt they would never have done a thing about it! LNG and debts is the only thing they can think off!

Actually you should go for coal based power plant. They are very cheap producer of electricity. I was in a power plant some years ago and we used to sell electricity to government @RS 2.30 per unit and still managed to get a big profit.
 
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those who can afford it should be encouraged to put them! Australia gives some incentives to people willing to install solar panels...

Will you please post a government notification saying that "individuals can't put solar panels themselves"? I'd like to see it. This makes no sense as individuals can buy generators right now. So why not install the solar panels? Please post some government document.

Solar plants can be free energy source 0.01% land in Baluchistan can fuel whole Pakistan's need

No really. Cost of breaking the mountains, changing the terrain and all, building access, you are looking at next 10-15 years just to flatten surfaces. Plus, gather facts on empty land, divide that by 18000 MW (into sub units) and then let us know how much land is needed to meet the current needs. No one in the world has such a large inventory of Solar panels and no one in the world would put in Solar plant after a ten year project to level the surface needed for this. The cost per unit would go like 10 times higher!

Actually you should go for coal based power plant. They are very cheap producer of electricity. I was in a power plant some years ago and we used to sell electricity to government @RS 2.30 per unit and still managed to get a big profit.

There are some Coal based projects being built right now too in Pakistan. The main issue is for them to establish a Supply Chain process for Coal's availability. You can build a plant and then what?? If you couldn't produce quality and quantity of needed coal, then its all just a waste.
 
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There are some Coal based projects being built right now too in Pakistan. The main issue is for them to establish a Supply Chain process for Coal's availability. You can build a plant and then what?? If you couldn't produce quality and quantity of needed coal, then its all just a waste.

no plant is constructed without feasibility study. They questions you raised are already covered and studied in preliminary stage of feasibility study.
 
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No stupid, 1,000 MW of PV just takes 3,500 acres, not hundreds of thousands. This 3,500 acres will produce anywhere from 150-200MW continuous power. They have reserved something like 4,000 acres for the project.


OH, we got a live one!
Thanks for letting us know your public interaction and debate/discussion skills. Was it you school or home?

HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS!!

This 3,500 acres will produce anywhere from 150-200MW continuous power.
If you were sensible enough to look at the previous posts before jumping in with your ranting you would have noticed we were comparing 1000 MW plants!

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That the debate was not about solar being mad but the costs involved to run a solar plant spread over hundreds and thousands (try and learn difference between hundreds of thousands and hundreds and thousands) of acres compared to wind energy plant.
 
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no plant is constructed without feasibility study. They questions you raised are already covered and studied in preliminary stage of feasibility study.

You misread my post.There are a few plants under construction. Meaning where the highways, railroads and all can already connect, that work is already started. To expand a coal base footprint, the supply chain has to be figured out, more highways, more railroads have to be built in certain areas, so that they can be used. Once that's done, more plant will start to show up on the construction map.
 
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Then you obviously don't know about wind power in depth....

To generate any power, there is need for atleast 6m/s wind. Pakistan's windy areas have maybe ~7-8m/s wind continuous. The rating on wind mills is usually for around 12-14m/s wind speed.

So installing a wind mill with power rating of 1.8MW in a decently windy area of pakistan may at most generate around 0.5MW continuous on average....

Here is a typical shape of windmill power-output/wind-speed graph :

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As you can see, the relationship between wind speed and power output is exponential (i.e. reducing wind speed reduces power output by a bigger proportion).

Also, wind mills designed for low wind speed operations cost more, much more (as more rotor surface area is needed).

So wind power isn't exactly what you think it is. Do take a look at wind map for Pakistan.

I know quite a lot about it kid, only i don't try to prove it by calling names.

At least learn to see what is being discussed before jumping gun. It is a COMPARISON between Wind and Solar and costs involved to keep them running. As for the wind map, do you think we do not have enough areas to setup ANYTHING? three years ago there was a survey conducted by a team from Norway which identified sites with potential of 14000 MW and year around production capability.
 
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