First Project-15B Bangalore-class DDG hull : satellite pics

[spectribution]

Maitri won't require the Revathi radar, I has the same thoughts (due to the illustrations of the Maitri naval variant which show a corvette class ship with a revathi radar marked out) but the Revathi itself is a VSR and not a fire directing radar like the Barak-1's STGR, the Maitir does not need CLOS and so will not need the Revathi.

Some news though, nothing has been accomplished since signing deal with france! No news since than.

 

[Dillinger]

Some news though, nothing has been accomplished since signing deal with france! No news since than.

There is that, so we may relapse to the Barak-1s, end of last year the DAC finally lifted its ban and placed fresh orders for the same.

 

[spectribution]

X-form and superstructure modifications are not something I'd even want to comment on, have no idea whatsoever if we will see such things. Also higher caliber of SRGMs seems less likely given that we've seen no movement on it so far, any thing that gets fitted on the 15B would need to at least be under evaluation soon enough to fit the timeline. New CIWS, yes since we also apparently have a tender out for it, Maitri SR-SAM for point defence perhaps?

@Capt.Popeye Also, would you like to comment upon prasun gupta's notion that the Barak VLU/VLS can be reloaded from beneath the deck by some internal system and therefore the Kolkatas carry an extra 32 LR-SAMs situated below deck in the area between the Brahmos VLS and the LR-SAM VLS? Honestly, he seems to be getting carried away these days.

I asked Ajai Shukla in mail. He said same exact thing. Even at defence expo 2014 officials said another 16 - 32 rounds can be carried on board. Remember this is not MK 41 or other western VLS. Hence this arrangement can happen. Infact look at the picture and compare for yourself.

 

[Abingdonboy]

2. The ship has a higher chance of getting 127/64mm gun as forward area or bow is longer.

Let's wait and see....

3. CIWS is possibly Maitri with revati radar and new gun based CIWS or AK 630/ SR SAM combination.

Won't be the AK 630, the IN is already on the hunt for a new gun based CIWS for their future warships (IAC-1, P-17A, P-15B etc).

And these photos must be more than 1 year old, due to understanding between US and India.

Keel was only laid in late 2013 so can't be more than 1 year old.

 

[spectribution]

There is that, so we may relapse to the Barak-1s, end of last year the DAC finally lifted its ban and placed fresh orders for the same.

barak 1 is like buying Maruti 800 today! Relaible but obsolete!

 

[The A-5]

I think 15A itself is pretty well designed. The decks just need to be somewhat more "flushed" that's all...??

If X-form hull can be adopted without any delay in time lines, then I'm in for it, though.

 

[spectribution]

I think 15A itself is pretty well designed. The decks just need to be somewhat more "flushed" that's all...??

If X-form hull can be adopted without any delay in time lines, then I'm in for it, though.

This one will be cleaner but with better sensors. Kind of like the arleigh burke flight I , II , III.

 

[Dillinger]

I asked Ajai Shukla in mail. He said same exact thing. Even at defence expo 2014 officials said another 16 - 32 rounds can be carried on board. Remember this is not MK 41 or other western VLS. Hence this arrangement can happen. Infact look at the picture and compare for yourself.

I did, its hogwash, the "extra rounds" talk is simply born out of the fact that the Kolkata has place for hosting an extra farm of 2*8 VLU for the Barak-8s IF the IN opts for it, the design allows for that. There is no "hydraulic system", again VLUs CANNOT be reloaded beneath deck, there is no apparatus for lifting the rounds from the below deck magazine to the top deck, there are no cranes for lifting the spent canisters from the VLU's open hatch and lowering the fresh round in. So unless the IN is completely bonkers they will not opt for such an arrangement. The laws of reality do not change with differing time zones. The extra rounds are just that, space left fallow for retro fitting extra VLUs if the IN so wishes. AND before people jump up and down about rotary systems, rotary systems are not reloadable VLUs and this (the Barak-8's launch mechanism) is indeed a VLU.

 

[IND151]

Couple of things though.

1. This ship is certainly bigger than Kolkata class. 8000 tons approxiamately .

2. The ship has a higher chance of getting 127/64mm gun as forward area or bow is longer.

3. CIWS is possibly Maitri with revati radar and new gun based CIWS or AK 630/ SR SAM combination.

4. It was laid down in october 2013, till now quite a bit has been constructed! Modular capacity is showing quick results!

This is probably maximum displacement, the standard displacement is not know as of now, but i guess it will be around 7,300 tons.

 

[The A-5]

This is probably maximum displacement, the standard displacement is not know as of now, but i guess it will be around 7,300 tons.

These IN ships have a tendency to understate the displacement until the last minute, though.

They first said Shivalik was around 4500 tons, turns out 5800-6200 tons.

They first said Kamorta was 2800 tons, turns out 3400 tons.

They said Kolkata is 7300 tons, turns out...?

 

[spectribution]

I did, its hogwash, the "extra rounds" talk is simply born out of the fact that the Kolkata has place for hosting an extra farm of 2*8 VLU for the Barak-8s IF the IN opts for it, the design allows for that. There is no "hydraulic system", again VLUs CANNOT be reloaded beneath deck, there is no apparatus for lifting the rounds from the below deck magazine to the top deck, there are no cranes for lifting the spent canisters from the VLU's open hatch and lowering the fresh round in. So unless the IN is completely bonkers they will not opt for such an arrangement. The laws of reality do not change with differing time zones. The extra rounds are just that, space left fallow for retro fitting extra VLUs if the IN so wishes. AND before people jump up and down about rotary systems, rotary systems are not reloadable VLUs and this (the Barak-8's launch mechanism) is indeed a VLU.

How can two people give the same explanation to a similar problem? FRV always accompany the ship with a crane! In the USN the ships used a strike down crane module that was hidden below the deck and used to clear spent casings. But because of limited weigh carrying capacity and sea state issues the cranes were done away with.

Indian Navy has differing requirements. Infact I won't say anthing further just look at the extra long cavity behind the two cavities made for Brahmos UVLM. To fit such tiny twin 8 cell VLS why make such a big god damn hole?

Also look behind carefully, there are two more of those teeny tiny Barak 8 vls cavities aft.

These IN ships have a tendency to understate the displacement until the last minute, though.

They first said Shivalik was around 4500 tons, turns out 5800-6200 tons.

They first said Kamorta was 2800 tons, turns out 3400 tons.

They said Kolkata is 7300 tons, turns out...?

Kolkata was quoted as 6800 tons turns out as 7500 tons.

 

[Dillinger]

How can two people give the same explanation to a similar problem? FRV always accompany the ship with a crane! In the USN the ships used a strike down crane module that was hidden below the deck and used to clear spent casings. But because of limited weigh carrying capacity and sea state issues the cranes were done away with.

Indian Navy has differing requirements. Infact I won't say anthing further just look at the extra long cavity behind the two cavities made for Brahmos UVLM. To fit such tiny twin 8 cell VLS why make such a big god damn hole?



olkata was quoted as 6800 tons turns out as 7500 tons.

Those two cavities are not indicative of much, in case you've not noticed the Bmos VLU cells are contiguous without any distance between the cells. So no, the deep cavity has nothing to do with the mythical internal reload system. Yes, we decided to carry extra rounds which we cannot use until and unless a FRV is nearby, when the same space (for the extra round's below deck magazine) could have been used for more VLUs, thereby ending up with the same number of rounds but without the need of either reloading or a FRV.

I have lost count of how many times PSK or Aroor or Shukla have shot out of their musshy and then came out to be wrong. PSK thought that the Nirbhay was modeled along the target drones we had developed, for example, check his old threads out, even then he claimed inside knowledge.

UNLESS, someone has come up with a revolutionary new system (which in its operation and alleged intent makes no sense).

 

[spectribution]

Those two cavities are not indicative of much, in case you've not noticed the Bmos VLU cells are contiguous without any distance between the cells. So no, the deep cavity has nothing to do with the mythical internal reload system. Yes, we decided to carry extra rounds which we cannot use until and unless a FRV is nearby, when the same space (for the extra round's below deck magazine) could have been used for more VLUs, thereby ending up with the same number of rounds but without the need of either reloading or a FRV.

I have lost count of how many times PSK or Aroor or Shukla have shot out of their musshy and then came out to be wrong. PSK thought that the Nirbhay was modeled along the target drones we had developed, for example, check his old threads out, even then he claimed inside knowledge.

UNLESS, someone has come up with a revolutionary new system (which in its operation and alleged intent makes no sense).

Either way we carry 64 Barak 2s after a big showdown with PLAN the surviving vessels can restock and maximize their presence!

PS : IN is quite wierd in their planning. Don't rule out info unless there is an official quote from them! They conveted Baku a STOVL/VTOL carrier into a CTOL carrier.

 

[IND151]

These IN ships have a tendency to understate the displacement until the last minute, though.

They first said Shivalik was around 4500 tons, turns out 5800-6200 tons.

They first said Kamorta was 2800 tons, turns out 3400 tons.

They said Kolkata is 7300 tons, turns out...?

This figure is my guess not cited by any expert.

 

[Dillinger]

Either way we carry 64 Barak 2s after a big showdown with PLAN the surviving vessels can restock and maximize their presence!

PS : IN is quite wierd in their planning. Don't rule out info unless there is an official quote from them! They conveted Baku a STOVL/VTOL carrier into a CTOL carrier.

Oh I know we can be weird, P75I, Vikramaditya, no DSRVs, no ASW helos but more ships being inducted....that does not detract from the improbability of what PSK or Shukla are propagating...give it time..you'll see.