First eliminations in MMRCA expected this month

[javaman]

Buying Rafale+ Grippen cane be the only solution to gain political/diplomatic victory.

will u ignore u.s.200 fighter deal may reduce the tension.

 

[Markus]

The final showdown will be either Rafale Vs F-18 OR Typhoon Vs F-18.

 

[SpArK]

will u ignore u.s.200 fighter deal may reduce the tension.

Politically we dont gain anything by buying US fighters as they play double game. Let them realise they have made a mistake by aligning with wrong partners and come up with other goodies and technologies after the deal.

Final victory for us.

 

[SpArK]

Think about the full ToT part . Only Rafale and Grippen are offering us . It will be huge gain for our future programs like MCA.

 

[Join]

Think about the full ToT part . Only Rafale and Grippen are offering us . It will be huge gain for our future programs like MCA.

Rafale is Offering Full TOT????

 

[Ishan]

Think about the full ToT part . Only Rafale and Grippen are offering us . It will be huge gain for our future programs like MCA.

What U feel whu will The Deal and have Most Chances of Winning ??

Any Inside Info ???? Will it be a Split between two ????

 

[Markus]

Politically we dont gain anything by buying US fighters as they play double game. Let them realise they have made a mistake by aligning with wrong partners and come up with other goodies and technologies after the deal.

Final victory for us.

True but can the current UPA government resist US diplomacy.

Manmohan Singh has come to be known as the most pro-US prime minister India has ever had.

I dont think US helped India with NSG waiver for nothing. This deal could very well be a part of the package.

If not 126, but a smaller number but I feel F-18 may be coming to India. If F-18 gets rejected in this deal then Indian navy will certainly end up buying F-35.

 

[SpArK]

Rafale is Offering Full TOT????

Dassault Aviation's senior vice president for military sales, JPHP Chabriol, said, ''When we talk about technology transfer, we mean full technology transfer and not in bits and pieces.''

 

[CONNAN]

Rafale is Offering Full TOT????

Rafale (Dassault, France). Advantages include demonstrated carrier capability in the Rafale-M, which could be a very big factor if the RFP includes that as a requirement. If so, it offers superior aerodynamic performance vs. the F/A-18 family, has exceptional ordnance capacity for its size, and can have its range extended via conformal fuel tanks. The Rafale claims “supercruise” capability, but observers are skeptical, and it has been challenging to demonstrate this with the Snecma R88-2 engine. The Rafale also offers some equipment, maintenance and spares commonalities with existing Mirage 2000 fleet, which would probably increase if India’s Mirage 2000s are modernized in future. At the moment, however, that’s a big “if”. France’s general reliability as a weapons supplier, good history of product support, and long-standing relations with India, offers additional plusses.

Weaknesses include the continuing absence of a compatible surveillance and advanced targeting pod, the need for additional funds and work to integrate many non-French weapons if one wishes to use them on the Rafale, and its lack of an AESA radar until Thales finishes developing the RBE2-AA. The Rafale’s failure to win any export competitions is also an issue – one that reaches beyond mere perception of “also-ran” status. As Singapore’s choice has shown, export failures are already forcing cuts in future Rafale procurement, in order to pay for modernization. That dynamic is likely to get worse over the next 30 years.

 

[Join]

Dassault Aviation's senior vice president for military sales, JPHP Chabriol, said, ''When we talk about technology transfer, we mean full technology transfer and not in bits and pieces.''

Then I am All for rafale..... It would Help Us In future R&D

 

[SpArK]

True but can the current UPA government resist US diplomacy.

Manmohan Singh has come to be known as the most pro-US prime minister India has ever had.

I dont think US helped India with NSG waiver for nothing. This deal could very well be a part of the package.

If not 126, but a smaller number but I feel F-18 may be coming to India. If F-18 gets rejected in this deal then Indian navy will certainly end up buying F-35.

That is okay as it wont be coming to us any time sooner and we dont need those in a hurry too.

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Then I am All for rafale..... It would Help Us In future R&D

Only problem is what the article said. The french is cash hungry and greedy.

 

[CONNAN]

F-16 Fighting Falcon (Lockheed, USA). Presumably, Lockheed’s “Block 70” offering would be an upgraded version of the F-16E Block 60 “Desert Falcon” currently serving with the UAE. Strengths include the widest multi-role capability among lightweight fighters; its proven AN/APG-80 AESA radar; the addition of integrated IRST (Infra Red Search & Track) capability; the widest choice of proven avionics and weapon systems; a long record of proven service so all issues are known; and widespread compatibility with potential allies in Asia and the Middle East who also fly F-16s. The combination of an AESA radar on a less expensive platform is also good news for cruise missile defense efforts, if that’s considered a priority.

Even so, the Indian Air Force has never seemed very interested in the F-16. Weaknesses include the fact that Pakistan also flies F-16s; the fact it’s a new aircraft type, so the entire support infrastructure would have to be developed; Lockheed Martin’s difficulty in complying with industrial offset provisions, given their lack of penetration in India. The MMRCA RFP’s delays may have helped Lockheed, by allowing them ample time to find arrangements with Indian firms. There are also reports that the US government is pushing this option, because of the regional reassurance factor. While an F-16 E/F Block 60+ would have a number of important advantages over Pakistan F-16 A/Bs and even its new Block 50/52 aircraft, the common underlying aircraft type would probably take some of the edge off of the deal from Pakistan’s point of view

 

[Tejas-MkII]

F16 is out for sure

there is aready a squadron of f16 s belonging to singapore air force in india . In 2007, India had signed an agreement with Singapore allowing the air force of the land-scarce city state to train its personnel at the Indian Air Force base in Kalaikunda in West Bengal.

so we have all the info we need on f16

India, Singapore Review Defence, Military Cooperation | India Defence

Yes, we should have those valueable information ,which we can use to counter F-16 and the best part is Amercans are happily given this information to us...

 

[CONNAN]

JAS-39 Gripen.

The Gripen is a true 4th+ generation lightweight fighter and significantly more capable than category competitors like the F-16 and Mirage 2000, though the MiG-35 may give it a run for the money. Gripen NG begins to address the aircraft’s range limitations, and would include an AESA radar among its other enhancements. Other strengths include a wide choice of integrated weapons and pods; reasonable purchase cost; the fact that it has been designed for exceptional cost of ownership; and the ability operate from roads instead of runways if necessary. With respect to industrial offsets, Saab has made a strong offer, backed by excellent record in countries like South Africa, Hungary, The Czech Republic et. al.

As an interesting side note, the JAS-39NG’s use of GE’s F414G engine could create future commonality with the failed Kaveri engine’s successor. The Tejas LCA will use GE’s F404 engines until an Indian substitute is ready, and GE’s F414 is one of 2 engines under consideration as the basis for the Tejas Mk2’s power plant.

The JAS-39’s drawbacks include its short range; the fact it’s a new aircraft type for the IAF; its AESA radar’s developmental status; and a low volume of international orders to date that raises questions about the platform’s ability to modernize over the next 30-40 years. While ordering a Swedish fighter carries no geopolitical benefits, the platform does have a wid card in South Africa’s adoption, and Brazil’s potential adoption. These 3 countries are beginning to collaborate more closely in defense matters, and a common fighter platform could offer intriguing military and industrial benefits.

 

[Archie]

As the report will be out in a couple of weeks, then you can surely expect 2-3 fighters to be sent packing now which one of those that are eliminated is a 100 million USD question
What i can guarantee is that the F16 will definitely be eliminated , while the
F/A18 super hornet will surely be there since india will definitely not eliminate both american fighters ,this early
Now Which other fighter will get the axe , i am pretty sure it will not be the gripen since it has been quite successful in all its trials according to the reports in the media
Now which other fighter out of the 3 remaining ie Rafale , Eurofighter and Mig35, will be eliminated , my estimate is that it will either be the Mig 35 coz Russia has allready been obliged thanks to 2 fighter contracts this year , including the 1.5 billion USD order for 29 Mig29k and 3.3 Billion USD order for 42 Su30mki
Thats 4.8 billion USD enough to satisfy russia till the induction of Pakfa Begins in 2018-20

Other aircraft to be eliminated will probably be Eurofighter Typhoon , simply becoz india does not need another air superiority fighter , even if Eurofighter is the second best air superiority aircraft after f22 raptor
The reason being that the typhoon is not only the most expensive fighter in the competition at 110 mil USD a piece ,but india is also inducting 270 su30mki which will continue till 2017 and india will begin inducting PAKFA in 2018 whose number will exceed 200