Finding OBL in Pakistan proved war on terror was waged against wrong country: Karzai

[A.M.]

Why OBL chose Pakistan not Iran/Saudi ? How come he managed to reach deep inside Pakistan territory ? These are very uncomfortable question for Pakistanis to answer dear ....

Seriously?

Iran - Shiite country
Saudi - Teaming with US agents. OBL wouldn't have found any support there anyways. FATA has been the perfect place for criminals to hide for decades.

 

[utraash]

valid question in all honesty

Saudia was out of question because its too far away and he had to go through Iran and Iraq first. or via Pakistan first.

Iran was out of question because of morbid hatred of ayatullahs and wahabis have for each other
leaving you with Pakistan via tribal areas only that were already engulfed in war since the operations and American invasion.

you might not recall but millions of tribal people had relocated from FATA into settled areas due to the war along with tens of thousands of Afghanistan. it was all to easy for him to join the crowd too and get here. who knows he would have used the Burka?

many terrorists were captured and so many would have slipped through

look at this for example. Arab terrorists disguised in shuttle Cock burka caught few years back

@AgNoStiC MuSliM
CIA Dones DID pick up Osama during the time of President Clinton and asked for permission to take him out but he was more interested getting inside Monica which is a real shame

Thanks for your detailed reply bro..
Can you shed a light how ISI failed to nab OBL(Obl was living there for around 1.5yrs) before navy seals, n how he was able to built a mansion in defence area?

 

[nvKyleBrown]

The story in the US at the time was that the US did not have enough of it's own troops in Afghanistan to do everything - we had to rely on Afghan troops for most things. OBL was "trapped" in Tora Bora, but escaped by bribing some Afghan militia who were supposed to be securing part of the perimeter. US troops were perhaps too trusting of their Afghan allies, or couldn't tell the who had what loyalties (still a problem, IMHO).

The Afghan army has had problems with factionalism and generally low loyalty to the central government. There are numerous cases of troops going their own way, or doing things they were not ordered to do, or not doing things they were ordered, etc. In the confusion, OBL made his escape. Pakistan had evidently not foreseen this possibility, and the US was too weak in the region still to do much about it (build up still underway, lots of logistic problems).

 

[HeadHunter]

Did i mention "ISIS" if a group has clear intentions and is Islamist then they can be called anything. The names , flags and colour change but ideologies don't.
The islamist factions are divided not because of belief differences but all want to be a leader. When a unifying voice comes then forget IS they won't even have a name most likely. But the Murji Liberal dogs of Pakistan and other countries will call then Khawarij. If we live to see it these people will call Imam Mahdi Khawarij and a terrorist just wait and watch.
Allaah has indeed spoken the truth:

“Give to the hypocrites the tidings that there is for them a painful torment

@Horus here we have another ISIS supporter and daesh terrorist with ISIS flags and SUV,s in his avatar. SO ban him permanently as you said in your thread few days ago.
On topic:
Karzai you are lowest of the low. Pakistan is not a weak nation like Afghanistan which can be invaded. You cave men can only dream of having nukes and strong military.It,s time to kick all afghan refuges our from Pakistan .These unthankful bastards are biting the hands which feeds them.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Thanks for your detailed reply bro..
Can you shed a light how ISI failed to nab OBL(Obl was living there for around 1.5yrs) before navy seals,

bad luck to some extent and lack of cooperation from CIA due to some mounting distrust after Musharaf was forced to reign. also incompetency. but CIA did ensure afterwords that there was no collusion by Pakistan in hiding OBL, had that been the case then things would have been very bad for Pakistan from American side. (although TTP and AL Qaeda slayed thousands of Pakistanis and started a campaign of daily bombings blaming Pakistani state in helping Americans to kill the OBL)

his house was marked out as suspicious in the past was was checked few times when he was not there. so it was put as a suspected hideout of some terrorists. the information was shared with CIA and also the suspected activities of the courier. the out of Pakistan activities of the courier were only known to CIA who connected the dots and at some moment decided to keep the information to themselves, tried their own clandestine operations and got a 80% confirmation of the guy through satellite and ground surveillance

n how he was able to built a mansion in defence area?

he didnt build the "mansion", calling that house with high walls a mansion is a joke. did you see the pictures of that shit place? there was hardly anything luxurious about it. and high walls were spinned by international media as an oddity but its a traditional architecture in the tribal culture. we have high boundary walls and two sections of property, public and outside guests and then inner section for personal family and friends

please refer to this unrelated house in Khyber agency for example and note over 15 feet tall outer walls. you are currently inside the outer rim of the property that has cattle, vehicles and a small 2 room anexy for the general public coming to visit the occupants.
the gate my dear, leads to the inner section of the property. again the walls are high. you walk in there or the gate an be opened for the vehicles to take the females next to the inner section of the property.

moving on, a "modern" property in Peshawar.

notice the boundary wall is up to ten feet. with reinforced double gates and then after that you get access to living section of the property. there is nothing sinister about it, its a typical house in our country where large familes live together and they value their privacy and due to tribal rivelry they have some passive and active defence. they even have watch towers.

house where Osama was found was not built by him he didnt stand there directing what to do. it was an incomplete double story building which resembled a place of squatters, full of rubbish, and manure from the animals .. I encourage you to have a look of some pictures of the property and judge by the clutter there if it deserves to be called a 10 Million dollar mansion as CNN claimed it to be hahaha.

how did Osama get there? well I explained already that he must have used the cover of millions of IDPs. why did he stay unnoticed for 1 and a half years? we dont know, these kind of people are like rats, masters in keeping themselves hidden while low brained morons blow themselves up in their name. maybe he didnt live there that long?

or maybe he lived there since he escaped from Tora Bora when American and Northern alliance forces scandalously allowed the Al Qaeda and Taliban top brass to escape. his fate was to come and spend his last moments in Abbotabad, thinking he will be safe deep inside Pakistan. but he was mistaken.

now as far as the "Army garrison" town tag on Abbotabad is concerned.. check this video I took few years back after the operation. its a transit town with road links to tribal areas and rest of Pakistan. its north some military bunker with bared wire where Osama was rubbing shoulders with ISIS and Army generals, the place has our military academy yes, but that academy is a size of a town itself so anyone living in Abbotabad can claim to be stone throw away from the academy.. too bad that the cadets there was busy training instead of looking at thousands of properties around them to check if Osama was there.. our bad sorry

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[iPhone]

Why are my Pakistani fellows trying to explain OBL to the Indians, fu€k em , it's not like they're here to listen and be reasoned with.

 

[Thorough Pro]

these scums are invisible to bhartis, they only see Zaid Hamid

 

[syedali73]

these scums are invisible to bhartis, they only see Zaid Hamid

Nothing is invisible to them but how could they condemn it when they themselves are part of it? 99.99% Bhartis on this forum are Hindutva terrorist apologists if not Hindutva terrorists by themselves.

 

[utraash]

bad luck to some extent and lack of cooperation from CIA due to some mounting distrust after Musharaf was forced to reign. also incompetency. but CIA did ensure afterwords that there was no collusion by Pakistan in hiding OBL, had that been the case then things would have been very bad for Pakistan from American side. (although TTP and AL Qaeda slayed thousands of Pakistanis and started a campaign of daily bombings blaming Pakistani state in helping Americans to kill the OBL)

his house was marked out as suspicious in the past was was checked few times when he was not there. so it was put as a suspected hideout of some terrorists. the information was shared with CIA and also the suspected activities of the courier. the out of Pakistan activities of the courier were only known to CIA who connected the dots and at some moment decided to keep the information to themselves, tried their own clandestine operations and got a 80% confirmation of the guy through satellite and ground surveillance

he didnt build the "mansion", calling that house with high walls a mansion is a joke. did you see the pictures of that shit place? there was hardly anything luxurious about it. and high walls were spinned by international media as an oddity but its a traditional architecture in the tribal culture. we have high boundary walls and two sections of property, public and outside guests and then inner section for personal family and friends

please refer to this unrelated house in Khyber agency for example and note over 15 feet tall outer walls. you are currently inside the outer rim of the property that has cattle, vehicles and a small 2 room anexy for the general public coming to visit the occupants.
the gate my dear, leads to the inner section of the property. again the walls are high. you walk in there or the gate an be opened for the vehicles to take the females next to the inner section of the property.

moving on, a "modern" property in Peshawar.

notice the boundary wall is up to ten feet. with reinforced double gates and then after that you get access to living section of the property. there is nothing sinister about it, its a typical house in our country where large familes live together and they value their privacy and due to tribal rivelry they have some passive and active defence. they even have watch towers.

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house where Osama was found was not built by him he didnt stand there directing what to do. it was an incomplete double story building which resembled a place of squatters, full of rubbish, and manure from the animals .. I encourage you to have a look of some pictures of the property and judge by the clutter there if it deserves to be called a 10 Million dollar mansion as CNN claimed it to be hahaha.

how did Osama get there? well I explained already that he must have used the cover of millions of IDPs. why did he stay unnoticed for 1 and a half years? we dont know, these kind of people are like rats, masters in keeping themselves hidden while low brained morons blow themselves up in their name. maybe he didnt live there that long?

or maybe he lived there since he escaped from Tora Bora when American and Northern alliance forces scandalously allowed the Al Qaeda and Taliban top brass to escape. his fate was to come and spend his last moments in Abbotabad, thinking he will be safe deep inside Pakistan. but he was mistaken.

now as far as the "Army garrison" town tag on Abbotabad is concerned.. check this video I took few years back after the operation. its a transit town with road links to tribal areas and rest of Pakistan. its north some military bunker with bared wire where Osama was rubbing shoulders with ISIS and Army generals, the place has our military academy yes, but that academy is a size of a town itself so anyone living in Abbotabad can claim to be stone throw away from the academy.. too bad that the cadets there was busy training instead of looking at thousands of properties around them to check if Osama was there.. our bad sorry

https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net...=1502e145a29cb2153f958969307f48c9&oe=5471426F

Any clue who facilitated OBL setup in defense area?

 

[cybertron]

Its high time south Asian countries specially Afghanistan,Pakistan and India came together to resist US's nefarious activities in the region.I have avoided including China because that country's agendas 're completely its own and to achieve 'em China would go to any extent( cant blame 'em though...any step which works in favor of your country should be taken.)

Wonder how you included US but then excluded China based on your last point. US ---like China, looks after its own interest be it in its own region, or hundreds of miles away in another continent.

Secondly, couldnt resist . The entity 'God' is nothing but - religion.

 

[Levina]

Wonder how you included US but then excluded China based on your last point. US ---like China, looks after its own interest be it in its own region, or hundreds of miles away in another continent.

One,I have already said that China can not be expected to join hands with these south Asian countries as to China rest everything is secondary while China's interests 're primary.
Two,I included US because we all do know US and other major powers in the world have been having fun at our cost.We dont want to be taken for a ride anymore. And ergo my conclusion

Secondly, couldnt resist . The entity 'God' is nothing but - religion.

Religion is man made, while god knows who made god.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Any clue who facilitated OBL setup in defense area?

it is not a defence area. its a normal suburb, you have seen enough videos on it already. the house was surrounded by some fields and other houses and empty plots. there is no "defence installation" in site .. check ot all the videos where you have the house video.. even the people there were surprised and suspicious about the whole thing

who facilitated his place? well whoever he paid. its not like he had to come in person to make down payments and sign the deed.
its a multi million petro dollar program from middle east to the far east and west after all.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Why OBL chose Pakistan not Iran/Saudi ? How come he managed to reach deep inside Pakistan territory ? These are very uncomfortable question for Pakistanis to answer dear ....

many of his relatives did reside in Iran......Iranian intelligence (large, and quite disciplined/professional) are known to have had some minimal contact with them.

frankly whether he was or was not in Pak is irrelevant now; by 2004 - people were already forgetting him and focusing on the Zarqawis (and now Baghdaddis) that the West seem to be helping to create in warzones. I always was of the belief that he died of natural causes in 2002 in Tora Bora. Ailing health, kidney patient. But USA is a superpower - what they say is what "matters" apparently, as the game works

daish and these other militant/terrorism-inciting groups are propped up due to western action in Libya/Syria/Iraq.....and we are doing EVERYTHING in our POWER to ensure that such groups do not exist - or STOP existing in Pakistan.....why dont you people do your role

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

it is not a defence area. its a normal suburb, you have seen enough videos on it already. the house was surrounded by some fields and other houses and empty plots. there is no "defence installation" in site .. check ot all the videos where you have the house video.. even the people there were surprised and suspicious about the whole thing

who facilitated his place? well whoever he paid. its not like he had to come in person to make down payments and sign the deed.
its a multi million petro dollar program from middle east to the far east and west after all.

that house (a.k.a. "compound" in the media) was a shit-hole