Fiction of Fulcrum buzzing Falcon

[Windjammer]

The India, Pakistan Kargil conflict during the summer of 1999 was generally a ground affair.
Although initially the IAF tried to intervene by trying to attack positions on the Pakistani side of the border, however after losing two aircrafts and being intercepted by the PAF, the IAF never ventured into the Pakistani airspace however, both the PAF and IAF continued to carry out CAPs along their respective borders. Ironically the Indian air force gave one of it's MiG-29 pilot, F/L Gaurav Chibber, a gallantry award for allegedly gaining a ''lock'' on PAF F-16s from within Indian air space, the PAF on it's part ridiculed the bravado as an episode created for the home audience and described the actual event as it really happened. There was also an incident where a pair of F-16s tailed a flight of five MiG-29s for about 20 minutes, the Indian aircraft were completely unaware of the F-16s presence until warned by their own GCI, in process the Indian pilots ''jinxed'' so violently that they almost crashed into each other.
Anyways to the claim of Fulcrum buzzing Falcon.

F/L Gaurav Chibber incident - The true story

Armed with four AA-10 and two Magic-2 [or probably AA-11] missiles, Gaurav Chibber a MiG-29 pilot acquired a lock on at two PAF F-16As orbiting over Skardu. The F-16s at once repeated their drill of engine to idle thrust, deploying a cloud of chaff and dropping down from 20,000ft to 500ft AGL with AA Radar on standby mode. Gaurav Chibber must have had a wry smile on his face under his helmet when he lost the lock-on. Angry with the avionics Gaurav again searched for the Vipers when he felt that the avionics of his aircraft had jammed. Gaurav tried all methods and probably had his A/A Radar functional again when he saw no sign of any aircraft in his radar. He felt something suspicious and decided to move out. As he started his way back to the base he saw two tracks appearing suddenly on his A/A Radar from behind. He quickly took evasive action but was relieved that he is well inside his territory and the tracks turned back in Pakistan.
As fate would have it, F/L Gaurav Chibber met his end when the Mig-29 ,he was flying crashed in Bilaspur distric of Himachal Pardesh on August 6, 1999.

Flight Lieutenant Gaurav Chibber

Service No 22926 Branch F(P)

Name : Gaurav Chibber Rank Flight Lieutenant
Date of Birth:
Date Commissioned 18 Jun 94 (153 Course) Service End Died in Service 06 Aug 99

Awards and Decorations
Number of Awards: 1

Vayu Sena Medal (Gallantry)
Flt Lt Gaurav Chibber 22926 F(P) Award Date Announced 15 Aug 99
Details :
229 Sqn MiG-29 For CAP and escort missions

Unit : 223 Squadron

 

[CriticalThought]

Sir, @Windjammer can you please clarify the allegation that @MastanKhan levels regularly on the forum against the PAF that 'it was absent from the Kargil war'?

 

[Windjammer]

Sir, @Windjammer can you please clarify the allegation that @MastanKhan levels regularly on the forum against the PAF that 'it was absent from the Kargil war'?

PAF had to operate with certain limitations but it certainly wasn't absent.

Rules Of Engagements

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

 

[nair]

PAF had to operate with certain limitations but it certainly wasn't absent.

Rules Of Engagements

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

And Kargil was peace time

 

[Windjammer]

And Kargil was peace time

It was a local conflict, no war was declared, the operations were limited in Kashmir sector, there were no bombs falling in Punjasb, UP or anywhere else.

 

[Kedardel]

PAF admits and confirms the lock on by Mig 29 rest is fiction.

 

[Windjammer]

Source is Windspammers book of wet dreams.

Better than a slimy creep who has no life but to be a stray on PDF.

He himself is a biggest troll on PDF, only comparable to some Chinese guys.

Ann Indian commenting on others that too on PDF....what's the world coming to.

 

[BHarwana]

I have heard people say India won the kargil and a lot of fiction but no one talks about the billion dollar loss India suffered in a single day of Kargil war

 

[Kedardel]

What was the first reaction of PAF when this news of MiGs locking on radars first broke.

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Nair's best friend --> Windjammer

 

[nair]

Nair's best friend --> Windjammer

Why not ?

 

[HRK]

And Kargil was peace time

Sir was there any DECLARATION OF WAR form either sides .... ??

 

[MystryMan]

I have heard people say India won the kargil and a lot of fiction but no one talks about the billion dollar loss India suffered in a single day of Kargil war

???

 

[Windjammer]

PAF Engages Indian Air Force
9 July 1999

ISLAMABAD: In what was a classic pre-dawn interception, air defence interceptors of the Pakistan Air Force, comprising of two PAF F-7MP fighter jets, intercepted and engaged intruding Indian Air Force (IAF) fighter jets which crossed the Line of Control in Jammu & Kashmir and violated Pakistan's airspace by several kilometres. The IAF fighters were believed to be two MiG-27ML ground-attack aircraft and two Mirage 2000H fighters providng top cover. The event took place in the early hours of Thursday, 8 July 1999, at approximately 2:30 a.m. (0230 hours) PST.

According to sources, PAF F-7MP fighters were supported by two F-16 Fighting Falcons providing back-up which conducted electronic jamming of the intruder IAF 'bandits'. The F-16s were scrambled whereas the F-7MPs were already on Combat Air Patrol (CAP) duty when the incursion occured.

The PAF F-7MP air defence interceptors were immediately vectored by GCI towards the intruding 'bandits' within seconds of their crossing into Pakistan airspace. The PAF fighters intercepted the Indian fighters and 'locked' on them with their missiles. In fighter terms, this is an invitation for a dogfight. However, the IAF fighters refused to engage in return and instead fled straight back into the airspace of Indian-held Kashmir in what PAF pilots perceived was sheer panic. "It was not a very orderly or dignified exit", remarked a PAF officer.

According to PAF sources, even the Dynamic Launch Zone (DLZ) perimetres had been met for launching of the air-to-air missiles which means that the PAF pilots had got the AAM tone indicating the bandits were well within shoot-down range of the PAF fighters. A missile tone is achieved when the missile's infrared heat-seeker or its radar has picked up the hostile aircraft. "It looks as if we gave them a fright", says a PAF officer, "Their RWR signal would have been blasting off in the cockpits as our interceptors tracked them". If the missiles were short-range heat-seeking missiles, then this would imply that the distance between the PAF and the IAF fighters was less than 10 kilometres - "Too close for comfort", as the PAF officer remarked.

PAF fighters did not shoot down the Indian fighters even though they were within range of the air-to-air missiles of the PAF fighters. The Indian fighters were perilously close to the Line of Control and their wreckage may have fallen inside Indian-held Kashmir territory which, going by their track record, would have given the Indian authorities the opportunity to blame the PAF for the intrusion.

According to the PAF Rules of Engagement (ROE), three conditions have to be met in peacetime before an enemy aircraft can be shot down: (i) the enemy aircraft must violate Pakistan's airspace; (ii) it must be a combat aircraft and (iii) its wreckage must fall inside Pakistani territory. 'Peacetime' in the context of India and Pakistan means when no war has been declared.

In this instance, the third criterion may not have been met as the IAF fighters were too close to the LoC and their wreckage may have fallen on either side of the LoC.

"All the intruder Indian fighters fled when our our air defence fighters locked on them", said a PAF officer.


A second intrusion occured seven and a half hours later, at approximately 10:00 a.m. (1000 hours) PST, when two IAF fighter jets violated Pakistan's airspace in the Mushkoh-Olding sector in Jammu & Kashmir. Two F-7MPs were immediately scrambled from a forward PAF air base to intercept the two intruders. However, the IAF jets sensing the PAF fighters fast approaching them, turned back and fled into Indian-held Kashmir before the PAF interceptors could get a missile lock-on them.

In both cases, the IAF intruders had taken off from Srinagar air base, according to PAF GCI controllers.

It is pertinent to mention here that earlier this year, on 27 May 1999, two intruder Indian Air Force MiGs - a MiG-27ML and a MiG-21bis - were shot down by the Air Defence Command of the Pakistan Army using Anza-II SAMs after the IAF jets had violated Pakistan's airspace in the Jammu & Kashmir region. The wreckage of both the Indian aircraft fell 10-12 kilometres inside Pakistani territory near Hamzi Ghund. One Indian pilot, Flt. Lt. K. Nachiketa, was captured whereas the other pilot, Sqn. Ldr. Ajay Ahuja, was killed. Sqn. Ldr. Ahuja's body was returned to India with full military honours and Flt. Lt. Nachiketa was released shortly afterwards.

IAF Mirage-2000 aircraft attempted a lock-on at a PAF F-16A. The PAF F-16 immediately dropped down from 20,000 ft to hardly 500 ft over the terrain and deployed a cloud of chaff. His A/A radar went in standby mode. The Mirage pilot thought that the F-16 had ran away when the F-16 tried to close in on him using the cover of the mountains and valleys.
The F-16 closed in on the Mirage but at 15 nm distance the Mirage pilot again tracked the Viper closing in fast. Equipped with only two Magic-2s, the Mirage pilot banked sharply increasing the range to 20 nm and disengaged with full afterburners.

 

[BHarwana]

???