FGFA vs J-XX

[Speeder 2]

Wangwei11607:

Go asking the admins to grant you "ELITE MEMBER" statue.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Seriously, guys .. dont you think that it is little early for a VS threat juxtaposing J-20 and T-50? as none of them has gone into serial production and there is a lot of confusion regarding their avionics and weapon packages.

 

[Manticore]

YouTube - Youtube??? ??????????2011-01-05? J-20 Stealth Fighter Flight Test

 

[krash]

So why do you think the engines are slightly angled towards the centre line of the PAK-FA?

To hide the engine blades i believe could be wrong though......

 

[satishkumarcsc]

To hide the engine blades i believe could be wrong though......

Yes and to direct the radiation deflected

 

[xuwei]

Once again a fanboy with zero understanding of stealth goes around making big red circles. Let me explain this in the simplest and easiest way possible The IRST ball is a sphere, a sphere by it self presents a very small surface area, and the surface area itself is sloped. By itself a sphere is many times smaller than a flat plane measuring the same area, even if we assume a sphere as small as an IRST housing returns a signal the signal would be insignificant likely something in the magnitude of an insect or smaller considering RAM, either way no radar would be able to detect something that small at meaningful ranges or any ranges at all.

And an illustration of a sphere and its efficiency, at scattering signals.

Many insects add up to a lot.And IRST is just on the one hand.
Russia in detail with the United States gap too far away
That's why Stealth performance:
F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50

Aircraft such as the B-2, F-22, and F-35 have done away with the sharp angled and incorporated sphere like curvature, at a closer glace even parts such as a wing, more specifically a leading edge incorporates phere like geometry from the front.

What is this?



It looks like a sphere but wait there's more! The canopy is not a one piece canopy it gets better, the YF-23 an aircraft said to have a smaller rcs than the YF-22 had a two piece canopy, some F-35 prototypes also had two piece canopies.

B2 is a bomber,won't play subduction bomb!Which determines that it is at altitude put bombs and precision-guided ammunition. Radar on it are upward Angle, you will see the cockpit blocked B2's head basically , and for B2 is so large, that Americans also can'n make out so big of overall cockpit in that period, Americans won't be so fool, made that must be a reason.

To F35,you should know it's low-end aircraft.
F35's cockpit is the internal supporting frame, glass is whole, just because of low cost, so be inside lane supporting frame, glass coated with membrane the RCS effect without much distinction to F22,and another important reseon is for Weight loss for F35.overall cockpit is heavier.

T50 cockpit elliptic metal frame is directly outside leakage.

YF - 23 prototypes failed,how to improve we don't know.

As for the antennas you circled : as I stated before this is a prototype made for aerodynamics, the entire aircraft is fitted with antennas and even vein like cables in the wings for measuring load baring.

Yes,but J20 is also prototype.What this thread compare is T50 and J20 by now.

And again as stated for the 20th time radar blockers are as good as S-shaped intakes, this is evident in the Silent Eagle's frontal RCS.

We are talking about T50,not F15SE.
One of the biggest impact on stealth is the inlet invisible, radar blockers is a Remedial measures.
China has an old idioms:亡羊补牢 better late than never.
Russia can consider Inlet stealth at the original design.

Don't make me talk about the J-20's problems such as canards and lack of edge diffraction.

Welcome more problems to J20.Chinese love fact.

I still insist on my view.



IRST in F35 is fusion aperture system,It's a major surgery for T50 to improve even we can say it's impossible whithout consideration at begining design.This also means that Russia's avionics in sensor fusion aspects ability is limited.

Equipment storehouse openings of T50 haven't done stealth processing.Which means its RCS haven't delicate to need to consider these detail point.And equipment storehouse openings involves the body structure, also is not so good change in the later work.Any machine body seam or openings were related to structural strength of the change.

The tragedy for stealth of T50 is:Even we can see the blade of engine With eyes.which like two huge flashlight at night.

 

[chengdusudise]

frankly to say, T-50 is a latest upgrade version of SU-27,seems after 20 years decline,russia already used up the last penny of USSR's legacy

 

[Luftwaffe]

xuwei, I wouldn't underestimate russian T-50 The sleek design suggests it to be an all round Air Superiority or multirole maneuverable fighter then F-35 rest can't be said about anything except F-22 that is currently in service.

 

[KSRaj]

and then you complain about getting banned....DO NOT TRY TO DERAIL THE THREAD!!!!

Did you make any effort to understand the context?

 

[amalakas]

Wrong...Every F-22 is strong with 'The Force'. We will find our targets easily enough.

Gambit...I am your Father!..ouuuphhh phhsssss ouuuphhh phhsssss


P.S. instructing US pilots to "search their feelings" to find the enemy ..may prove to be detrimental to TOP GUN scores ... don't you think ?
Maverick will never be the same pilot again.... or should I say Jedi Master Maverick ????



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[siegecrossbow]

Gambit...I am your Father!..ouuuphhh phhsssss ouuuphhh phhsssss


P.S. instructing US pilots to "search their feelings" to find the enemy ..may prove to be detrimental to TOP GUN scores ... don't you think ?
Maverick will never be the same pilot again.... or should I say Jedi Master Maverick ????



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So radars and avionics are useless after all, if you know what I mean .

 

[Trichy]

Many insects add up to a lot.And IRST is just on the one hand.
Russia in detail with the United States gap too far away
That's why Stealth performance:
F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50

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this one fact proves how you are about fighter jets....

F-22 higher than J20 but F-35 greatest than T-50

true b'cos t-50 is not the final product PAK-FA is there..

your comment shows like that...

without make a High Trust engine, your fighter is not even come close to Su-35... then why goes to 5th Gen Fighter...

Russia is provide you the engine till now so first ENGINE then compare with others...

In this game India is just a baby watching a Fight between Two married men and a College Student...

 

[kursed]

YouTube - J-20 - First Hi-Res Taxi Video

 

[ptldM3]

Many insects add up to a lot.And IRST is just on the one hand.
Russia in detail with the United States gap too far away
That's why Stealth performance:
F-22>J-20 ≈F-35 >>T-50

You claim that the PAK-FA's IRST is a detrimental to stealth, even though you have zilch to back claims with, while I do. But lets say your notion is true, lets say that it is a problem, what about the big round bulging DSI intakes of the J-20? Do the same principles not apply to the J-20 because ahhhh it's Chinese.

Lets take a look. the DSI sphere is quite larger than an IRST isn't it? The DSI is no different than a sphere cut in the center hemisphere, and while you may make an argument that it is not a full sphere the same principles apply, even more important is the fact that from the side it is a sphere, a very, very large sphere, now look at those nice round object under the wings, so if the PAK-FA's IRST sphere is an insect the J-20's sphere(s) is an elephant, again this is your logic, not mine.

Now i'll do what you do and point out flaws.



Looks like your argument backfired

And your little J-20 ≈F-35 nonsense just proves that you're a fanboy that should not be taken seriously.

B2 is a bomber,won't play subduction bomb!Which determines that it is at altitude put bombs and precision-guided ammunition. Radar on it are upward Angle, you will see the cockpit blocked B2's head basically , and for B2 is so large, that Americans also can'n make out so big of overall cockpit in that period, Americans won't be so fool, made that must be a reason.

What you are saying is ridiculous. Your are implying that the B-2's curvature is not important because only ground radar see its underside, I’m sure designers were that stupid that they never considered something like airborne radar trying to actively locate bomber aircraft

To F35,you should know it's low-end aircraft.
F35's cockpit is the internal supporting frame, glass is whole, just because of low cost, so be inside lane supporting frame, glass coated with membrane the RCS effect without much distinction to F22,and another important reseon is for Weight loss for F35.overall cockpit is heavier.

This is just stupid

As for the F-35 being low end, it has some systems that even the F-22 lacks and other systems such as engines are superior to the F-22's.

We are talking about T50,not F15SE.

We are talking about exposed compressor blades and radar blockers, clearly the F-15SE used radar blockers to get its frontal RCS to the level of the F-35, so the F-15SE is a relevant topic, a topic that disproves your theories, and I will call it theories because you have no science to support your theories.

One of the biggest impact on stealth is the inlet invisible, radar blockers is a Remedial measures.China has an old idioms:亡羊补牢 better late than never.
Russia can consider Inlet stealth at the original design.

This is another attempt of yours to make things fit as you see them, the F-15 SE reduced it's frontal RCS to the level of the F-35, so don't act like it's not a big deal or that somehow the radar blockers will magically dissolve.

I still insist on my view.




Equipment storehouse openings of T50 haven't done stealth processing.Which means its RCS haven't delicate to need to consider these detail point.And equipment storehouse openings involves the body structure, also is not so good change in the later work.Any machine body seam or openings were related to structural strength of the change.

First off get your terminologies correct those 'equipment storehouse openings' are weapons bays and what in gods name is 'stealth processing' you don't know the basics of stealth theory and you boldly make such claims, as I told you before, back your claims , i want sources or at the very least a scientific explanation with sources. Claiming the weapons bays aren’t 'stealthy'without nothing to back your claims just makes you look like a fool.

And the T-50's weapons bay actually have saw tooth edges for the sake of edge diffraction, so once again, you look like a fool.

 

[xuwei]

You claim that the PAK-FA's IRST is a detrimental to stealth, even though you have zilch to back claims with, while I do. But lets say your notion is true, lets say that it is a problem, what about the big round bulging DSI intakes of the J-20? Do the same principles not apply to the J-20 because ahhhh it's Chinese.

Lets take a look. the DSI sphere is quite larger than an IRST isn't it? The DSI is no different than a sphere cut in the center hemisphere, and while you may make an argument that it is not a full sphere the same principles apply, even more important is the fact that from the side it is a sphere, a very, very large sphere, now look at those nice round object under the wings, so if the PAK-FA's IRST sphere is an insect the J-20's sphere(s) is an elephant, again this is your logic, not mine.

Now i'll do what you do and point out flaws.



Looks like your argument backfired

And your little J-20 ≈F-35 nonsense just proves that you're a fanboy that should not be taken seriously.

You are very ignorant.
Deffer from T50's IRST exposed.
DSI is an inlet,multiple reflections and Absorption in it, Radar signal has none.
Suggest you take time to learn more about JF17,J10B,F35.
T50's IRST exposed prove Sukhoi non ability improve it to fusion aperture system like F35.

What you are saying is ridiculous. Your are implying that the B-2's curvature is not important because only ground radar see its underside, I’m sure designers were that stupid that they never considered something like airborne radar trying to actively locate bomber aircraft

You guy likes garble quote out of contex.

My All content:B2 is a bomber,won't play subduction bomb!Which determines that it is at altitude put bombs and precision-guided ammunition. Radar on it are upward Angle, you will see the cockpit blocked B2's head basically , and for B2 is so large, that Americans also can'n make out so big of overall cockpit in that period, Americans won't be so fool, made that must be a reason.

To F35,you should know it's low-end aircraft.
F35's cockpit is the internal supporting frame, glass is whole, just because of low cost, so be inside lane supporting frame, glass coated with membrane the RCS effect without much distinction to F22,and another important reseon is for Weight loss for F35.overall cockpit is heavier.

T50 cockpit elliptic metal frame is directly outside leakage.

YF - 23 prototypes failed,how to improve we don't know.

This is just stupid

As for the F-35 being low end, it has some systems that even the F-22 lacks and other systems such as engines are superior to the F-22's.

Yot don't know high-low collocation?
Commonsense please.
When is the F22 developed?
And When is the F35 developed?
It's very very normal that Applying new technology in F35.

We are talking about exposed compressor blades and radar blockers, clearly the F-15SE used radar blockers to get its frontal RCS to the level of the F-35, so the F-15SE is a relevant topic, a topic that disproves your theories, and I will call it theories because you have no science to support your theories.

This is another attempt of yours to make things fit as you see them, the F-15 SE reduced it's frontal RCS to the level of the F-35, so don't act like it's not a big deal or that somehow the radar blockers will magically dissolve.

F15SE is not a real 5'th G fighter.
It's stealth ability more worse than F35.
Why you guy is so without ideal.Have no enterprising.Your sorrow or Russia's sorrow?
you like comparing T50 to F15SE,Why not F22,even F35?
According to your account of radar blockers will magically dissolve,All plane can have stealth ability,for you can put radar blockers in all parts.


Stealth is require multiple levels.structure,coating are most important.
Understand?


"blockers will magically dissolve."
Suggest you again take time to learn more about the Stealth technology of F22,F35.





Cann't help laughing when I see you and these pictrue below.